Private 350m fibre connection

Metric Tensor

Hi all,

Looks like SIRO is going to stop about 350m away from my house. I've been toying with the idea of doing a deal with a family member to install a fibre connection at their property and then privately installing my own link over the 350m.

Discounting the cost of trench and ducting - which I have a fair idea of myself would anyone here have an idea of the equipment cost for a 350m wired fibre link.

The alternative is a wireless connection but I don't know what the max speed I could get out of that would be and if there might be substantial latency because of it.

Thanks for any thoughts!

long_b

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Hi all,

Looks like SIRO is going to stop about 350m away from my house. I've been toying with the idea of doing a deal with a family member to install a fibre connection at their property and then privately installing my own link over the 350m.

Discounting the cost of trench and ducting - which I have a fair idea of myself would anyone here have an idea of the equipment cost for a 350m wired fibre link.

The alternative is a wireless connection but I don't know what the max speed I could get out of that would be and if there might be substantial latency because of it.

Thanks for any thoughts!

Either solution would be breaking the terms of service but you probably know that already.

murphaph

long_b wrote: »

Either solution would be breaking the terms of service but you probably know that already.

I would consider it my patriotic duty to sweat Siro's fibre assets.

I'd go for a point to point wireless link with Ubiquiti gear (good quality and reasonably priced).

If you do go ahead with a fibre link (how to terminate? Presume you need special equipment to terminate the fibre) then lay a few strands for redundancy!!

Good luck.

PAKNET

You'll need something like a D-Link DMC-700SC/E at either side.

You'll then need a run of fibre cable between the two points.

Woodcomm are fairly good for making up cable as you're unlikely to get an off-the-shelf 350m run of fibre cable which is pre-terminated for you!


You could look at wireless, something like a Ubiquiti NanoBeam but it needs direct line of sight to work best.

You'll also get nowhere near the 1Gbps if that's what you were looking for from SIRO.
(and all but the higher end NanoBeam units will struggle to deliver even the 350Mbps package).

Latency on these units isn't too bad assuming they are set up correctly - 5-10mS latency overhead would be about worst case average.

Metric Tensor

Thanks lads - I didn't realise that the Ubiquiti Point to Point Units would deliver a reasonable quality connection. I can definitely install these without much difficulty and I have a direct line of site. This might be a much better option for me so.

I have a 10Meg fixed wireless link at the moment (as an alternative to a 2Meg ADSL one!) so anything is going to be better than that.

Say I get the 350Meg package at the source and purchase a Ubiquiti Nanobeam setup - what sort of speeds would I expect to see?

I actually have two different possible locations if I go wireless point to point - one of which interestingly might not break the terms of service. This seems a better option than a trench or above ground fibre run. I didn't realise it was a runner from a speed point of view though.

murphaph

I only have Ubiquiti access points but the quality seems right and the prices are reasonable.

I'd also tend to wireless point to point if direct line of sight is guaranteed.

editorsean

When I was with Bluebox FWA, they installed a Ubiquiti PowerBeam (can't remember the model) on my house.

When I used to ping the second hop after my router (i.e. the mast, 172.20.200.1 below), it was a fairly steady 2ms ping time as shown in this old trace route screenshot.



What let that wireless ISP down was its severe backhaul contention as shown from hop #4 onwards.

PAKNET

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Thanks lads - I didn't realise that the Ubiquiti Point to Point Units would deliver a reasonable quality connection. I can definitely install these without much difficulty and I have a direct line of site. This might be a much better option for me so.

I have a 10Meg fixed wireless link at the moment (as an alternative to a 2Meg ADSL one!) so anything is going to be better than that.

Say I get the 350Meg package at the source and purchase a Ubiquiti Nanobeam setup - what sort of speeds would I expect to see?

I actually have two different possible locations if I go wireless point to point - one of which interestingly might not break the terms of service. This seems a better option than a trench or above ground fibre run. I didn't realise it was a runner from a speed point of view though.

The lower grade Nanobeam's easily push 100Mbps in either direction - the limiting factor is that they only have a 10/100Mbps Ethernet port on them.

You'd be looking at a NBE-5AC-19 for your purposes which is rated up to 450Mbps and has gigabit Ethernet on board.

If you were of the opinion you want to do it once and do it right, go fibre.

You never know when you might need additional bandwidth - or a significant other decides they'd like to plant some tall trees slap bang in your line of sight....... :cool:

Metric Tensor

I appreciate it PAKNET and I really would like to go fibre - but the added expense of mini-diggers and trenching would not be a small job! The alternative is an above ground wire run and I don't like the idea of Bessie chewing away on my fibre wire for breakfast!

I'll give it some serious thought. The area is not active yet anyway so who knows what my happen in the interim.

Thanks a mill lads.

PAKNET

Metric Tensor wrote: »

I appreciate it PAKNET and I really would like to go fibre - but the added expense of mini-diggers and trenching would not be a small job! The alternative is an above ground wire run and I don't like the idea of Bessie chewing away on my fibre wire for breakfast!

I'll give it some serious thought. The area is not active yet anyway so who knows what my happen in the interim.

Thanks a mill lads.

Oh I know I know, just there's that gnawing sensation when the "Oh how I wish I'd done X at the start..." sets in

Best of luck anyway and do report back on how you get on should you go ahead!!