Nobody shops by bike...

boardbeer

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Brendan Carr: "I don't know any cyclists who come into town and do bags of shopping and bring them home on their bike."
http://irishcycle.com/2017/04/12/dublins-lord-mayor-wants-to-merge-buses-and-cars-on-small-section-of-quays/
Tweet if you think otherwise:
@LordMayorDublin #shopbybike @DubCham @DublinTown

Tenzor07

I stopped listening after

“Motorists are coming into the city and keeping businesses alive,”

tomasrojo

@IrishCycle was asking to be tagged on #shopbybike tweets.

https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/850640596792430594

tomasrojo

The mayor said that he’d encourage people to cycle but that “That’s a completely another debate.”

Is it? Completely? I guess in the old approach of encouraging people to cycle by saying "I encourage you to cycle" and leaving it at that.

Alek

I'm not on Twitter, can someone post it for me?

HivemindXX

I'm going in to town to do my weeks grocery shopping by bike today. I'm not going to bother taking a picture or tweeting anything though. There is already plenty of evidence to support the fact that cyclists spend money in town. Brendan Carr is just one of those people who don't let the facts get in the way of their opinions and it is pointless trying change the mind of someone like that with information.

What does he think all those people who cycle in to town every day do? Presumably they only get in the way of the heroic motorists who are saving the city. What about all those thousands of bicycles locked up around the city? Just getting the way again right?

It can't be that the vast majority of those people are doing something productive. Going to their job supplying the workforce for the businesses in the city centre. Going to the pubs and restaurants and spending money. And going to the shops to buy things.

Who is more likely to complain about lack of parking, traffic congestion and inconvenience in the city centre and then drive to an out of town shopping centre? It's not cyclists. Trying to give the city centre the same traffic access and parking as an out of town shopping centre is idiotic. Trying to make it more accessible to the people who actually want to shop there would be a lot more forward thinking.

tomasrojo

HivemindXX wrote: »

Trying to give the city centre the same traffic access and parking as an out of town shopping centre is idiotic. Trying to make it more accessible to the people who actually want to shop there would be a lot more forward thinking.

Yeah, it can't actually be done. You can't beat the suburbs or out-of-town retail in terms of facilitating cars. It's just geometry and maths. You can't facilitate the flow of so many cars, and the land required to store them is too expensive.

Similarly, land devoted to parking in the city centre (especially subsidized parking) almost certainly can make more money by being reallocated to retail, food or entertainment. Even kerbside parking has been reallocated in some jurisdictions for dining areas.

tomasrojo

Alek:
https://twitter.com/dermotryanie/status/852114877212700672

EDIT:
Did a retweet to @LordMayorDublin @DubCham @DublinTown

Presume that's what you wanted. Think @IrishCycle and @DublinCycling will be using the #shopbybike images anyway.

Alek

Cheers, that's what I wanted!

marvin80

Interesting study:

Every study going demonstrates that cyclists spend as much or more per person than driving customers.

Kitchissippi Councillor Jeff Leiper wants to know how much you spent today while riding your bike. Add your purchases below, and watch the total grow!

https://ibikeibuy.ca/

https://ibikeibuy.ca/statistics/

tomasrojo

Kitchissippi is a magnificent place name.

Crippens1

My last cycle into the city was to buy a laptop computer for my son in the Jervis Street Centre. There was a good discount on offer but I wouldn't have driven there to avail of it. If cycling to the city centre was hassle then I wouldn't have gone there at all and probably bought online.

mrcheez

boardbeer wrote: »

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Brendan Carr: "I don't know any cyclists who come into town and do bags of shopping and bring them home on their bike."
http://irishcycle.com/2017/04/12/dublins-lord-mayor-wants-to-merge-buses-and-cars-on-small-section-of-quays/
Tweet if you think otherwise:
@LordMayorDublin #shopbybike @DubCham @DublinTown

Don't all the Dublin Bikes have a carrier basket at the front specifically to cater for carrying shopping?

jimmycrackcorm

boardbeer wrote:

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Brendan Carr: "I don't know any cyclists who come into town and do bags of shopping and bring them home on their bike."

Perhaps if they could still find their bike hasn't been stolen outside the shop they might.

Beasty

Alek wrote: »

I'm not on Twitter, can someone post it for me?

Small ring

You're letting yourself as well as the Boards Cycling forum down Alek....



:pac:

fat bloke

The only thing car drivers into Dublin spend money on is parking.

Well, that and pints, going by drink driving numbers.

Alek

Beasty wrote:

Small ring

I don't even have the big one on my main bike! Spinners gonna spin :-P

magicbastarder

Deedsie wrote: »

Dublin City centre seems a good place to not concentrate completely on the road.

yep, kudos to the cyclist this evening who exited clearwater shopping centre and made a right onto the N2 - most of which manouevre was done reading her phone - for still being in one piece after that.

triggermortis

Deedsie wrote: »

Today I witnessed a motorist rolling a cigarette while driving on the N11. Traffic was moving slow to be fair but jaysus, time and a place.

Double kudos if you can roll one whilst riding a bike though...

Effects

I often pick up electrical supplies on my bike. Gets a laugh from other electricians at the suppliers. They're happy to sit in traffic, I'm not.
Had a close call while carrying a roll of 6sq cable in a front basket, must weigh about 25KG. A pedestrian walked out in front of me on Leeson St., I narrowly avoided a collision. Not that easy to steer swiftly with that much weight up front!

magicbastarder

my first job, when i was 15 or 16, was in an ice cream factory. if the owner wasn't there on a friday, the general manager used to send me home with 16l of ice cream, two 4KG tubs in two bags. i can tell you, cycling with two bags that weight penduluming (is that a word?) on the ends of your handlebars makes for a fun cycle home.

AndrewJRenko

Effects wrote: »

I often pick up electrical supplies on my bike. Gets a laugh from other electricians at the suppliers. They're happy to sit in traffic, I'm not.
Had a close call while carrying a roll of 6sq cable in a front basket, must weigh about 25KG. A pedestrian walked out in front of me on Leeson St., I narrowly avoided a collision. Not that easy to steer swiftly with that much weight up front!

magicbastarder wrote: »

my first job, when i was 15 or 16, was in an ice cream factory. if the owner wasn't there on a friday, the general manager used to send me home with 16l of ice cream, two 4KG tubs in two bags. i can tell you, cycling with two bags that weight penduluming (is that a word?) on the ends of your handlebars makes for a fun cycle home.

It would make for one very special insurance claim report if the two of ye had 'collided with a car' (as the Indo might say) on the way home.

"So you ended up with electrical cable wrapped round your head and 4kg of ice cream in your ear".

magicbastarder

'your honour, the evidence had melted by the time we reached the scene'.

amyplify

The ibikeibuy site is pretty cool. I wonder is there any value in making an open Google Sheet where Dublin Cyclists can log what they've spent in the city by bike?

It wouldn't be as pretty as ibikeibuy but it would give cold, hard numbers which seem to get a more concrete reaction - although I'm really enjoying scrolling through the #buybybike tag

gaffmaster

Ah sure tis great all these motorists coming into town, keeping the pubs in business.

DirkVoodoo

He's probably right. Most of my shopping is done online. Too much traffic in Dublin to make shopping pleasant.

tomasrojo

I continue my decades-long solo voyage into the frozen wastelands of Utility Fred:



(A variation on my Bakfiets lock holster.)

tomasrojo

Lumen had my measure years ago:

nak

Nonsense, have a car would never dream of driving into town to go to the shops.

tomasrojo

If you're on Twitter, maybe tweet that, in the manner suggested in original post. Nice set-up!

magicbastarder

betcha can't pull a wheelie on that with that load on it though.

Johnnio13

nak wrote: »

Nonsense, have a car would never dream of driving into town to go to the shops.

Those onions will never grow in that bark!

nak

magicbastarder wrote: »

betcha can't pull a wheelie on that with that load on it though.

Floated it all the way home

tomasrojo

Will show in another photo shortly. Attached to rear rack, rather than side basket. It's part of the reason I'm using a relatively short basket, to give room to continue attaching lock to the rear rack, as it's much handier than putting it in bags or the like all the time.

EDIT:
Picture here

tomasrojo

The Times has some coverage of the #shopbybike tweeting of the Mayor:
https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/854603922580922368

Article itself behind a subscription wall.

Starts:

Dublin cyclists took up the hashtag #shopbybike in response to comments by the lord mayor, Brendan Carr

Cyclists in Dublin have hit back at the lord mayor’s claims that those they do not spend as much as motorists in the city.

Using the hashtag #shopbybike dozens of cyclists have shared images on Twitter of their two-wheelers laden with shopping bags in protest at the comments made by Brendan Carr, the Labour mayor.

Speaking on The Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk, Mr Carr claimed that it was drivers who were keeping businesses in the capital alive. He was defending his opposition to a new cycle lane planned for the city centre. The initiative, as proposed by city officials, would involve traffic being diverted off the quays and through inner-city streets on the north side, such as Blackhall Place, North Brunswick Street and Church[...]

Famous dog in green Bullitt makes an appearance.

HivemindXX

I just read on another thread about limiting parking in Cork that someone thinks that Dublin Town might have done a survey that showed that motorists spend more money than any other type of customer. Is there such a survey?

This of course is being used as evidence that parking restrictions are bad.

rollingscone

HivemindXX wrote: »

I just read on another thread about limiting parking in Cork that someone thinks that Dublin Town might have done a survey that showed that motorists spend more money than any other type of customer. Is there such a survey?

This of course is being used as evidence that parking restrictions are bad.

The National Car Parking association or some such lobby group came out with that less than rugorous "study"

buffalo

HivemindXX wrote: »

I just read on another thread about limiting parking in Cork that someone thinks that Dublin Town might have done a survey that showed that motorists spend more money than any other type of customer. Is there such a survey?

This of course is being used as evidence that parking restrictions are bad.

There is, and that's what the results said. Though from memory, they removed from the study any tourists, commuters, left-handed people, students, males with ponytails and anyone who was wheeling a bike at the time.

rollingscone

HivemindXX wrote: »

I just read on another thread about limiting parking in Cork that someone thinks that Dublin Town might have done a survey that showed that motorists spend more money than any other type of customer. Is there such a survey?

This of course is being used as evidence that parking restrictions are bad.

The National Car Parking association or some such lobby group came out with that less than rugorous "study"

AndrewJRenko

The Lord Mayor won't like these pics;

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/04/18/loaded/

Annie get your Run

Deedsie wrote: »

Does anyone think a similar Twitter campaign sending George Hook tweets of motorists parking there cars on footpaths or cycle tracks would be of any use?

https://twitter.com/firedancetweet/status/877156362685382657

Like this tweet?

You've made it in life when your tweet gets posted on boards.ie A campaign is a good idea, to all journalists/papers maybe though not just Hook? Maybe we could put together a potential list of twitter handles here.

magicbastarder

the best example i can think of is people who park their cars on the footpath on east wall road - and appear to have clamped their *own* cars, presumably to prevent them being nicked.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3554847,-6.2301093,3a,75y,274.2h,83.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9I-dG-L8tu7BaRRXCdjKJQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

that's an old photo, the car that's currently clamped there is not pictured.

Moflojo

Deedsie wrote: »

Does anyone think a similar Twitter campaign sending George Hook tweets of motorists parking there cars on footpaths or cycle tracks would be of any use?

https://twitter.com/firedancetweet/status/877156362685382657

Like this tweet?

The Lord Mayor has handed us another hashtag on a plate with the #MakeWayDublin campaign, just use that in combination with #freethecyclelanes and show photos of vehicles blocking footpaths and bike lanes.

magicbastarder

would we want to hijack a campaign intended for wheelchair users though?

Annie get your Run

magicbastarder wrote: »

would we want to hijack a campaign intended for wheelchair users though?

We would be contributing to that campaign though, there's plenty of us out there, takes a few seconds to snap a car on a footpath and tweet it later on. The fact that we might benefit too is secondary really, or more accurately 'everyone benefits'.

Moflojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

would we want to hijack a campaign intended for wheelchair users though?

Technically it's not just wheelchair users, it's anyone with reduced mobility or a visual impairment.

More broadly speaking, as a society we have become blind to, and accepting of, the habitual abuse of the public realm by vehicle drivers and business owners. If you did a straw poll in central Dublin and asked pedestrians if they thought sandwich boards were illegal I reckon 90% would think they were legal - I mean how could something that's illegal be allowed literally everywhere in the city?

I certainly don't see it as a hijack anyway, considering how Lord 'Mare has repeatedly attacked cycling and has focused on 'locked bikes' in every interview he has done as part of the MakeWayDublin campaign.

ThisRegard

Well, in the Phoenix Park anyway, nobody can cycle on the cycle lane

https://www.facebook.com/dublincycling/videos/10158856227325052/

Edit, also in the journalism thread.