Considering an EV calculate please.

punisher5112

Hi all I've posted in a few others threads and I really would like to look into the costs and whether I could honestly do it on my budget.


Right I have a Octavia vRS petrol so it will get 30mpg to 35mpg if I drive at around 100-110 or less.
Anything over that it drops. If I done a long run say 130 miles in one go it could get 38mpg and that wouldn't be holding back so up to 130km/h at times mostly motorway.

I'm doing school run around 25 miles there and 25 miles back.
Work would be similar distance around 26 to 28 miles.

I am renting but have a drive so home charge is not an issue apart from charge point.... LL are beyond useless and I put up new good curtains and weren't happy(that's the type)...

There are days where I would do school run and back home so approx 50 miles, then I would be in work later on so would usually be able to charge for around 3-4 hours at the house.

I could use local charger at petrol station as its apple green it has the fast charge sometimes but I would be mostly charging from home and no access to charge at work.

Car stands me nothing have it 8 years not a fault thank god & plan on keeping it.
Tax costing €800 as not paying 12 months.
Petrol fill up every 5 days sometimes 6 where it takes around €70 - €75 to fill.
Nct €55 yearly now.
Maintenance done mostly by myself.
Tyres last approx 30k on front costing around €240 a pair.


I'm not looking at new so wondering what could I get if I have €2600 in credit union and loan at 7.23 % over 3 years comes up on calculator.

I'm rubbish at the calculating part so any tips or help very much appreciated.


Insurance not an issue.

My budget may not be big enough yet so just thinking but if it could work I'm sure I could be able to save quite a lot from what I've read from others that have jumped.

Thanks punisher...

goz83

The best value is in the Leaf and you can pick them cheap as 6k as has been shown here very recently. I would suggest to hold off and wait until you can budget for around 10k and you will be able to pick up a 2014 model. Go for the 6.6 OBC because you will need the quicker charges on your busy days and don't want to get caught out.

A home CP is the real issue here. Hopefully your LL will have no issue letting you have one installed. Look at ways it could be installed with minimal damage to property.

Credit Unions tend to vary with what they lend, so you would need to discuss it with the loan officer. Save as much as you can and reduce finance required.

punisher5112

goz83 wrote: »

The best value is in the Leaf and you can pick them cheap as 6k as has been shown here very recently. I would suggest to hold off and wait until you can budget for around 10k and you will be able to pick up a 2014 model. Go for the 6.6 OBC because you will need the quicker charges on your busy days and don't want to get caught out.

A home CP is the real issue here. Hopefully your LL will have no issue letting you have one installed. Look at ways it could be installed with minimal damage to property.

Credit Unions tend to vary with what they lend, so you would need to discuss it with the loan officer. Save as much as you can and reduce finance required.

Installation of charge point wouldn't be an issue as far as I can do it and have an old work friend that can sign off on it. I would remove when moving.

I get what your saying about the cheap ones may work where I could get her into one as she does less driving and we would be saving then either way.

KCross

punisher5112 wrote: »

Installation of charge point wouldn't be an issue as far as I can do it and have an old work friend that can sign off on it. I would remove when moving.

I wouldnt assume that the LL will be OK with that. You are going to be messing with his distribution board and drilling his external wall. And then you plan to rip it out when you leave leaving him with a hole in the wall!?... I dont think I'd agree to that.... maybe you have an easy going LL but I'd check that and be sure that he is happy for you to remove it when you leave.

650Ginge

A 50 mile school run seems like a lot and is costing a lot. Not just petrol. The aa have some guessimates per km on their website. But you a looking at cost per mile of .50c or €25 per school run in your case. Thats €500 a month just for the school run....I disagree with some of the way the AA calculates the figures but they are closer than I want to really admit.

So since you rent is moving an option or move the kids school over the summer.

I can't really help on the figures for EV as I dont have one, yet.

Do you do the school run twice a day? Is it actually €1000 a month?

KCross

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'm doing school run around 25 miles there and 25 miles back.
Work would be similar distance around 26 to 28 miles.

Just to be sure... did you mean to use miles here or is it km?

If its miles it means you regularly do 80-90km twice a day. What type of roads/speeds are your two commutes? Is there any motorway?

The 24kWh Leaf can do max 120km and that would be driving at 100kmh. At 90km you would need to ensure you get a 132 or later Leaf which has a better battery. A 2011 Leaf is likely to be down on range and could make your 90km trip tight. You dont want to be using public charging everyday in the middle of your commute. That will lead to frustration and delays.

punisher5112 wrote: »

I am renting but have a drive so home charge is not an issue apart from charge point.... LL are beyond useless and I put up new good curtains and weren't happy(that's the type)...

See my earlier post about removing CP. Sounds like your LL would not be up for a CP being added if he had an issue with curtains!

punisher5112 wrote: »

There are days where I would do school run and back home so approx 50 miles, then I would be in work later on so would usually be able to charge for around 3-4 hours at the house.

If your LL does agree to a CP being added it will be critical for you to get a 32A charge point AND get a Leaf with 6.6kW charger(these are harder to find). Anything less wont add enough charge for you to do your 2nd 90km that day.

Having a 32A charge point adds another complication if you have an electric shower as technically you are not supposed to have an electric shower and a 32A charge point on at the same time so you would need to get a priority switch which will add to your install costs.



The 24kWh Leaf with 6.6kW charger can fulfill your requirements if you get agreement from the LL and get a 32A charge point. However, I dont think you should be looking at the bottom end of the market (i.e. 6k) as that will likely get you a Leaf down on range which will leave you short on a daily basis and it wont have 6.6kW charger either as they only came out in 131/132. You need to comfortably make your journeys and not "just about" as you need to allow for diversions, temp, rain, battery degradation etc.

You need to come up a few years and spend closer to 9-10k, so maybe that puts it beyond you at this time?

unkel

You need to clarify your daily mileage and at what times etc. Is it really 2* 25 miles school run morning and afternoon and 2 * 28 miles commute?

That alone is 65k km per year without any other / social / shopping / weekend driving :eek:

Ideal money saver compared to ICE, you will literally save thousands a year even if you bought a brand new EV, but you will need a lot of charging. Home charge point and 32A is a must and you will probably also need work charging and stops at fast charge points.

punisher5112

unkel wrote: »

You need to clarify your daily mileage and at what times etc. Is it really 2* 25 miles school run morning and afternoon and 2 * 28 miles commute?

That alone is 65k km per year without any other / social / shopping / weekend driving :eek:

Ideal money saver compared to ICE, you will literally save thousands a year even if you bought a brand new EV, but you will need a lot of charging. Home charge point and 32A is a must and you will probably also need work charging and stops at fast charge points.

Hi I posted the extreme end but that would usually be tops 2 days as each week is different with shift work and total different hours start and finish.

Usual day would be Home to work and back and maybe something extra but not much.

Day I would do school run I would drop kid to school go back home then have to go back to collect and home again. That day I would be able to charge in the middle for 3-4 hours.

Run is from Wicklow town to killiney for school run.

Work is rathfarnham and on occasions city centre

I have never got a loan before so not even sure what I could get and as mentioned above I may not have enough yet.
I would prefer 2nd hand unless I would actually end up saving more then I'm spending if you get me.

School I think is about 21 or so miles and work about 25 miles. Sorry I used miles as car is UK import and just use to it.

macnab

Just a quick calculation based on your info: presuming you do about 420 miles per week at 32 mpg then you will spend about €80 a week on petrol.
If you do the same in an electric car you will use about 70KW (units) of electricity per week. Multiply 70 by your unit cost, (lets pick a high 20c per KW) so 70 x 20c = €14 per week, which saves you €66 per week.
If you have night rate electricity then that would bring the bill down to €7 per week. If you use public chargers then theoretically you could bring your bill down to zero.

punisher5112

macnab wrote: »

Just a quick calculation based on your info: presuming you do about 420 miles per week at 32 mpg then you will spend about €80 a week on petrol.
If you do the same in an electric car you will use about 70KW (units) of electricity per week. Multiply 70 by your unit cost, (lets pick a high 20c per KW) so 70 x 20c = €14 per week, which saves you €66 per week.
If you have night rate electricity then that would bring the bill down to €7 per week. If you use public chargers then theoretically you could bring your bill down to zero.

Hi thanks to all for the input.

That would be about right and obviously cost of tax and maintenance and nct yearly.
Nct of course will be on a EV also but lot less to maintain.