has anyone here taken ayahuasca?

fuzzydunlop85

I'm planning a trip to SA soon and I'm wondering has anyone any experience with ayahuasca. I must say I am intrigued, for those who haven't heard of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/jun/07/peru-ayahuasca-drink-boom-amazon-spirituality-healing


For those who have taken it- Is it a load of hippy codswallop,or is a therapeutic and spiritually cleansing purge of all your deepest and darkest demons and emotions.

venlo

get health insurance

Tigger

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

I'm planning a trip to SA soon and I'm wondering has anyone any experience with ayahuasca. I must say I am intrigued, for those who haven't heard of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/jun/07/peru-ayahuasca-drink-boom-amazon-spirituality-healing


For those who have taken it- Is it a load of hippy codswallop,or is a therapeutic and spiritually cleansing purge of all your deepest and darkest demons and emotions.

Dmt makes you meet the dark elves
Have you tripped much before?

fuzzydunlop85

Tigger wrote: »

Dmt makes you meet the dark elves
Have you tripped much before?

No never dabbled in physcadelics before, which has me proceeding with caution.

Tigger

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

No never dabbled in physcadelics before, which has me proceeding with caution.

Ok well make sure there is someone you love and trust with you and that they aren't taking part in the ceremony,
It's gonna be all about where you are guided to and how well you are guided

prinzeugen

I know someone that lived in SA. Do not touch it.

Fecking dodgey stuff. It might induce a heart attack.

fuzzydunlop85

prinzeugen wrote: »

I know someone that lived in SA. Do not touch it.

Fecking dodgey stuff.

What were the reprecussions of taking it ??

Tigger

You'd do better taking Irish mushys wit a decent group before you go. Some people trip and feeel brilliant but bad trips are as damaging as good ones are healing
Look make sure you are with someone you love if you are doing stuff like this, and preferably they are staying more grounded to guide you

Tigger

prinzeugen wrote: »

I know someone that lived in SA. Do not touch it.

Fecking dodgey stuff. It might induce a heart attack.

Active ingredient is dmt probably a lot safer doing that than some random strength trip in a weird country

Jack the Stripper

I had a horn for a fortnight the one time I took it.

jamesbere

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I had a horn for a fortnight the one time I took it.

Is that a good or a bad thing for your job

Jack the Stripper

jamesbere wrote: »

Is that a good or a bad thing for your job

Made no odds, I'm not a grower.

Ulysses Gaze

venlo wrote: »

get health insurance

And pre-book your space in the loony bin too.

Billy86

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

I'm planning a trip to SA soon and I'm wondering has anyone any experience with ayahuasca. I must say I am intrigued, for those who haven't heard of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/jun/07/peru-ayahuasca-drink-boom-amazon-spirituality-healing


For those who have taken it- Is it a load of hippy codswallop,or is a therapeutic and spiritually cleansing purge of all your deepest and darkest demons and emotions.

I haven't, but having seen what I've seen in terms of people puking their hole everywhere I'd say save yourself the bother and go for straight DMT if you want a super-powered hallucinogen.

fuzzydunlop85

So the vibe I'm getting here is that essentially it's just a trip your balls off and vomit inducing session. I was aware of the vomiting but my very rudimentary reading of the topic led to believe that this was let if the 'purging' process. I was more curious about how people felt mentally and psychologically after the experience, and if it had any noticeable long term and beficial impact with regards to general mental health. Or, more than likely, is it a scam to rip off tourists.

Donne

You don't have to go to South America. If you go to Berlin, for example, you'll be able to get a supply.

Read this account Ayahuasca Will Make You Cry, Vomit, and Feel Amazing.

cooker3

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

I'm planning a trip to SA soon and I'm wondering has anyone any experience with ayahuasca. I must say I am intrigued, for those who haven't heard of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/jun/07/peru-ayahuasca-drink-boom-amazon-spirituality-healing


For those who have taken it- Is it a load of hippy codswallop,or is a therapeutic and spiritually cleansing purge of all your deepest and darkest demons and emotions.

I have.

What do you want to know?

Billy86

Joe Rogan has a really good podcast episode or two on it. Can't be definite because it was a while back, but I think it was with this guy (who also has a podcast on that very subject) - http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-addictive-podcast/e/dimethyltryptamine-dmt-with-seth-fitzgerald-tap017-41873012

DMT is the active element in ayahuasca as best I know, you can see people take it on youtube basically like a bong rather than chugging litres of dirty mud water. Would also agree with the poster who said to get some mushies and/or salvia first - tried them years ago once or twice and had a great laugh, but I imagine something much stronger without knowing what you are going into could turn pretty terrifying, pretty quickly. I've heart DMT referred to as being like mushrooms, but 100x stronger in terms of the depth of trip you go into (it's also very short though, 10 mins but people have come out saying they like they were on their trip for years).

EDIT: Someone with a much better idea what they're talking about than me seems to have shown up!

fuzzydunlop85

cooker3 wrote: »

I have.

What do you want to know?

Did you gain any long term benefits? Was it a positive experience ? Would you do it again ?

cooker3

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Did you gain any long term benefits?

No but there was no long term negatives either.

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Was it a positive experience ?

Hmmmn was it positive, I'm not sure I would say that. It was interesting though.

So to give a brief description of what happened. I am just back home after 18 months in Latin America. I did it in the Amazon forest in Peru late last year #humblebrag. The city it was organised from was Iquitos which is biggest city in the world that doesn't have a connected road. You can organise tours through Amazon rainforest and river (city is on Amazon river) and also do Ayahuasca as well. Just to say it is very common there. It's like drinking in Ireland, it's not a big deal to locals at all. That was true pretty much anywhere in this whole region. It's also completely legal.

I did it with a friend who I met on road and an American who joined us. The ceremony consisted of us sitting there with 2 "shamans" who are playing music and signing throughout. Obviously my sense of time is not 100% solid but I'd say it lasted 2-3 hours. The drink is given in a cup and you just down it. I'd say it was around 100ml. It tastes fowl. I was fine for 10-15 minutes and then I was quickly not. I puked up a bit and had a major headache. This is when the visions happens. Obviously I can't fully do justice but the visions are just intense super colourful lines, shapes etc. The episode of The Simpsons was Homer takes some stuff in an Indian reserve gives an actual reasonable idea of it. I went through 3 waves. I had the puking, headache and visions for about 30 mins, then I felt fine for 30-45 mins. I got a second wave although never got sick so that wave was the best wave as I really concentrated on what I was seeing. I always knew where I was and understood what was happening so I could just let it pass over me without losing it etc. That lasted for another 30 minutes. I felt better again and the ceremony ended soon after. The girls went to sleep and they felt fine although we were all a bit zonked but for whatever reason I got hit by a 3rd wave. At this point I was kinda over it and it was a really brutal headache but that lasted 30 minutes and I went to bed. Next day I was ok.

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Would you do it again ?

If you could guarantee I wouldn't have the headache again I would be open to it but I don't think I would want it otherwise. The visions only happened with headaches so you know. I gained no deep meaningful insight. To be fair I wasn't looking for it. I am the least "spiritual" person you will ever meet. I'm not religious and have no real time for "alternative therapies" So I was just giving a go to see what happened but had no real goal to it.
The American who was with us was a massive hippy. She practically orgasimed during the ceremony and said to me afterwards she saw "energies" and a "spirit guide" so I think there is an element of your own beliefs play a part in what you see, feel and experience.

I guess to answer the implicit question should you do it. Well up to you but I wouldn't say not to. Try to do it with someone you know or in a group you feel comfortable with. Price wise you are looking around 100-150 soles which is somewhere around 30-45 euro. I am not sure about other countries but assume it's roughly same although probably more in the Brazilian Amazon.

Canis Lupus

cooker3 wrote: »

I did it with a friend who I met on road an American who joined us. There ceremony consisted of us sitting there with 2 "shamans" who are playing music and signing throughout. Obviously my sense of time is not 100% solid but I'd say it lasted 2-3 hours. The drink is given in a cup and you just down it. I'd say it was around 100ml. It tastes fowl. I was fine for 10-15 minutes and then I was quickly not. I puked up a bit and had a major headache. This is when the visions happens. Obviously I can't fully do justice but the visions are just intense super colourful lines, shapes etc. The episode of The Simpsons was Homer takes some stuff in an Indian reserve gives an actual reasonable idea of it. I went through 3 waves. I had the puking, headache and visions for about 30 mins, then I felt fine for 30-45 mins. I got a second wave although never got sick so that wave was the best wave as I really concentrated on what I was seeing. I always knew where I was and understood what was happening so I could just let it pass over me without losing it etc. That lasted for another 30 minutes. I felt better again and the ceremony ended soon after. The girls went to sleep and they felt fine although we were all a bit zonked but for whatever reason I got hit by a 3rd wave. At this point I was kinda over it and it was a really brutal headache but that lasted 30 minutes and I went to bed. Next day I was ok.

Sounds like such a spiritual experience.

cooker3

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Sounds like such a spiritual experience.

Well I put in quotation marks as it obviously depends how you define it. You could call it that if you want. I wouldn't but *shrugs*

Donne

How does it compare to an LSD tab or two?

Special Circumstances

Donne wrote: »

How does it compare to an LSD tab or two?

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Tigger

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Jay Koblenz of Motorcycle Consumer News commented "The Hayabusa is Speed in all its glory. But Speed is not all the Hayabusa is".

Are you being on purpose ?

bodice ripper

fuzzydunlop85 wrote:

I'm planning a trip to SA soon and I'm wondering has anyone any experience with ayahuasca. I must say I am intrigued, for those who haven't heard of it.

If you haven't tripped before taking ayahuasca in a foreign country is throwing yourself in at the deep end...

SEPT 23 1989

I would do it but I would insist on being strapped down in a chair.

Prinks

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Sounds like such a spiritual experience.

Especially the puking

Doctor Nick

Aka DMT. Aye a few times. Not freebase, used a caapi leaf Hard to describe. So much more intense than acid or shrooms. You're nearing cacti psychedelics imo. Short (about half hour) but vivid intense out of body experiences. Many will ask if you crossed over. You'll know if you do. Enjoy but be responsible and be safe.

Edit to add: person above is right about foreign trip not being best for first time. Try it at home in comfortable surroundings first.

Doctor Nick

cooker3 wrote: »

No but there was no long term negatives either.


Hmmmn was it positive, I'm not sure I would say that. It was interesting though.

So to give a brief description of what happened. I am just back home after 18 months in Latin America. I did it in the Amazon forest in Peru late last year #humblebrag. The city it was organised from was Iquitos which is biggest city in the world that doesn't have a connected road. You can organise tours through Amazon rainforest and river (city is on Amazon river) and also do Ayahuasca as well. Just to say it is very common there. It's like drinking in Ireland, it's not a big deal to locals at all. That was true pretty much anywhere in this whole region. It's also completely legal.

I did it with a friend who I met on road and an American who joined us. The ceremony consisted of us sitting there with 2 "shamans" who are playing music and signing throughout. Obviously my sense of time is not 100% solid but I'd say it lasted 2-3 hours. The drink is given in a cup and you just down it. I'd say it was around 100ml. It tastes fowl. I was fine for 10-15 minutes and then I was quickly not. I puked up a bit and had a major headache. This is when the visions happens. Obviously I can't fully do justice but the visions are just intense super colourful lines, shapes etc. The episode of The Simpsons was Homer takes some stuff in an Indian reserve gives an actual reasonable idea of it. I went through 3 waves. I had the puking, headache and visions for about 30 mins, then I felt fine for 30-45 mins. I got a second wave although never got sick so that wave was the best wave as I really concentrated on what I was seeing. I always knew where I was and understood what was happening so I could just let it pass over me without losing it etc. That lasted for another 30 minutes. I felt better again and the ceremony ended soon after. The girls went to sleep and they felt fine although we were all a bit zonked but for whatever reason I got hit by a 3rd wave. At this point I was kinda over it and it was a really brutal headache but that lasted 30 minutes and I went to bed. Next day I was ok.


If you could guarantee I wouldn't have the headache again I would be open to it but I don't think I would want it otherwise. The visions only happened with headaches so you know. I gained no deep meaningful insight. To be fair I wasn't looking for it. I am the least "spiritual" person you will ever meet. I'm not religious and have no real time for "alternative therapies" So I was just giving a go to see what happened but had no real goal to it.
The American who was with us was a massive hippy. She practically orgasimed during the ceremony and said to me afterwards she saw "energies" and a "spirit guide" so I think there is an element of your own beliefs play a part in what you see, feel and experience.

I guess to answer the implicit question should you do it. Well up to you but I wouldn't say not to. Try to do it with someone you know or in a group you feel comfortable with. Price wise you are looking around 100-150 soles which is somewhere around 30-45 euro. I am not sure about other countries but assume it's roughly same although probably more in the Brazilian Amazon.

Wow. Completely different to what I had. We. Smoked the caapi through a bong and I did it in the comfort of my home. No puking but visuals as described. Must be different to what OP is enquiring (despite being DMT).

Edit had to check and Changa is what we had. Not done in years but recommended for the ultimate trip.

R P McMurphy

Donne wrote: »

You don't have to go to South America. If you go to Berlin, for example, you'll be able to get a supply.

Read this account Ayahuasca Will Make You Cry, Vomit, and Feel Amazing.

You don't even have to leave the country for ceremonies

Special Circumstances

Tigger wrote: »

Are you being on purpose ?

NO SPECULATION! ;-)

cooker3

Donne wrote: »

How does it compare to an LSD tab or two?

I don't know as never had LSD.

bodice ripper wrote: »

If you haven't tripped before taking ayahuasca in a foreign country is throwing yourself in at the deep end...

You're telling me!

Doctor Nick wrote: »

Wow. Completely different to what I had. We. Smoked the caapi through a bong and I did it in the comfort of my home. No puking but visuals as described. Must be different to what OP is enquiring (despite being DMT).

Edit had to check and Changa is what we had. Not done in years but recommended for the ultimate trip.

Yeah you hear a lot of different things. I was chatting to a friend who did it in Costa Rica few weeks ago and her experience sounded much worse than mine. Much more paranoid. It obviously depends on exactly what is contained in the substance.

Something I don't think I gave a good idea above is how the ceremony, the surroundings etc dictate how you feel. So to get where I did it I had to get 90 minute boat ride from Iquitos, city I mentioned above, and from there it's a 20-25 minute walk to the place which is just a building you sleep in and a "temple" that the guy running everything was still building. We were in the middle of absolutely freaking nowhere so stars are clear in the sky, all you hear is insects and it is completely dark, stars aside. Also throughout the ceremony the shamans are singing and playing music so the whole ceremony is not just ayahuasca. It's very atmospheric which heightens everything.

In Iquitos you could buy San Pedro and while I never tried it it's a much more mild mannered version from talking to others. It's DMT but it doesn't cause you to puke up and generally more relaxed easy going feel to it I believe.

bodice ripper

cooker3 wrote:

In Iquitos you could buy San Pedro and while I never tried it it's a much more mild mannered version from talking to others. It's DMT but it doesn't cause you to puke up and generally more relaxed easy going feel to it I believe.

San Pedro is mescaline, not DMT.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Billy86 wrote: »

I haven't, but having seen what I've seen in terms of people puking their hole everywhere I'd say save yourself the bother and go for straight DMT if you want a super-powered hallucinogen.

DMT and ayauascha are the same thing, essentially. DMT is smoked, but can not be swallowed because the stomach acid destroys it on contact. How Ayahuasca differs specifcially (MAOI inhibitors, I beleive) I'm not sure about, but the idea is that the DMT in it has time to act.

OP - There are ayahuasca retreats all over Europe if this is the sole purpose of the journey. You should really be in the safe and reasonably comfrotable surroundings for your first trip of any sort, and have knowledgeable friends to sit in (may or may not be possible on the actual physcial trip).

Good luck!

Beyondgone

I had Smithwicks once if that helps. Loads of it. I was off my gourd for close to 5 hours and had visions of death. I can't even pronounce the stuff you want to take, let alone give an opinion on it, but I can say, without a shadow of doubt, that Smithwicks is bad. Very bad. You could try starting out with Smithwicks and working your way up to the foreign stuff? Just my 2c.