sprayer that doesn't have to be tested

Tomjim

Some one told me recently that you can buy a sprayer without booms that doesn't have to be tested.

Anyone know anything about this and how it operates

emaherx

Tomjim wrote: »

Some one told me recently that you can buy a sprayer without booms that doesn't have to be tested.

Anyone know anything about this and how it operates

All sprays with booms greater than 3m must be tested. So small sprayers or sprayers with no booms don't need testing. I take it the no booms means it has a hand lance only.

Muckit

No l think he's on about an orchard type sprayer that spreads with single nozzle something like a splash plate slurry tanker.

Rangler1 had a demo on his farm l think he said of a similar type machine.

emaherx

Muckit wrote: »

No l think he's on about an orchard type sprayer that spreads with single nozzle something like a splash plate slurry tanker.

Rangler1 had a demo on his farm l think he said of a similar type machine.

Surely if it's broadcast area is over 3 meters it would be subject to testing?

Would that sort of spray nozzle be allowed at all on larger sprayer for spraying fields?

Timmaay

emaherx wrote: »

Surely if it's broadcast area is over 3 meters it would be subject to testing?

Would that sort of spray nozzle be allowed at all on larger sprayer for spraying fields?

A weedlicker doesn't need to be tested.

diarmuidb24

Yeah the weedlicker doesn't need to be tested. Works really well on young green rushes!

emaherx

Timmaay wrote: »

A weedlicker doesn't need to be tested.

Yes but that's because there is no chemical in the air to drift in the wind. A weed locker use much less chemical than any sprayer.

pedigree 6

If you just used a tractor sprayer for spraying minerals on crops/grass.

Would it need to be tested?

croot

pedigree 6 wrote: »

If you just used a tractor sprayer for spraying minerals on crops/grass.

Would it need to be tested?

That's an interesting one. I'd say you would have a good argument that it doesn't. If you could show that you bought no chemical spray then maybe you would get away without testing.

Problem is they are enforcing it through BPS penalties and would you chance that?

White Clover

pedigree 6 wrote: »

If you just used a tractor sprayer for spraying minerals on crops/grass.

Would it need to be tested?

I would say not. This craic is regulated by the PCS (Pesticide Control Service) and you wouldn't be applying a pesticide.

emaherx

White Clover wrote: »

I would say not. This craic is regulated by the PCS (Pesticide Control Service) and you wouldn't be applying a pesticide.

Sure with common sense that would be true but....... are you allowed to use common sense any more?

Farmer

croot wrote: »

Problem is they are enforcing it through BPS penalties and would you chance that?

At least they seem to have capped this at 250

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-will-issue-fixed-penalty-fines-for-uncertified-sprayers-or-operators/?utm_source=Agriland&utm_medium=also_read_section&utm_campaign=also_read_section

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A farmer will not receive a sanction under Cross Compliance (CC) if, during the course of a CC inspection, they are found to be using an uncertified sprayer or if they have no PU number

However, according to the Department, the details will be “noted by the inspecting officer and cross-reported to the Pesticides Control Division”. In instances where there is non-compliance with the relevant legislation, farmers may receive “a fixed penalty notice of €250 or, on summary conviction, a Class A fine”.

ganmo

And that's about the starting price for getting one tested

Zr105

ganmo wrote: »

And that's about the starting price for getting one tested

Not even, it's €10/meter around here so isn't actually all that expensive at the end of it if the sprayer is anyway right in the first place.

There are a few bits which may add extra cost alright, the gauge has to have 0.2bar intervals from 0 all the way up! Ours only had 2 divisions between 0 and 1 but the 0.2bar marks from there and it had to be changed. Other than that it was fairly straight forward and anything it had to get was needed on it anyways

50HX

emaherx wrote: »

Yes but that's because there is no chemical in the air to drift in the wind. A weed locker use much less chemical than any sprayer.

the weedlickers are a grey area for the PCS to control - they don't know how to come up with a testing criteria for them as there are so many different types of them

in theory if it is over 3mtrs in width, has a boom with nozzles spraying down on the carpet/roller and a pump with a clock then it should be tested

i think the dept wanted to start with the easier option of the trailed and mounted sprayers firsts

after that it'll be onto the weedlicker and knapsacks:rolleyes:

Waffletraktor

White Clover wrote: »

I would say not. This craic is regulated by the PCS (Pesticide Control Service) and you wouldn't be applying a pesticide.

If your applying soluble metals i think they're classed as pesticides, Mg/Mn etc...
The liberal application of metals to crops is encouraging fungal disease to increase rates of sexual repoduction (faster to zero day ie. complete breakdown of resistance).

Green farmer

Farmer wrote: »

At least they seem to have capped this at 250





So does that mean if a lad went spraying a few weeds on their own land with a knapsack or weedlicker without having done a course, the fine would be capped at €250 ?

50HX

Green farmer wrote: »

Farmer wrote: »

At least they seem to have capped this at 250





So does that mean if a lad went spraying a few weeds on their own land with a knapsack or weedlicker without having done a course, the fine would be capped at €250 ?

i think capped at 250 for first offence and then linked to % bps reduction

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

Farmer wrote: »

At least they seem to have capped this at 250





So does that mean if a lad went spraying a few weeds on their own land with a knapsack or weedlicker without having done a course, the fine would be capped at €250 ?

That's the idea alright, you can buy the stuff alright but the contractor/farmer that puts it on must have a course done

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

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That's the idea alright, you can buy the stuff alright but the contractor/farmer that puts it on must have a course done

Anyone know how much the course is for a weedlicker or knapsack and how long does it take ?

rangler1

€180 - €200

_Brian

So do many here use quad sprayers ??

Are they only useful for spot spraying or are the small booms as good at applying chemical as a tractor mounted sprayer for rushes or docks ??

diarmuidb24

weedlickers are very effective for rushes and docks. Only issue being they need to be cut prior to licking so they are new green rushes. Also ensure rushes are a few inches higher than the grass and you can adjust the carpet height so it only covers the rushes.

50HX

_Brian wrote: »

So do many here use quad sprayers ??

Are they only useful for spot spraying or are the small booms as good at applying chemical as a tractor mounted sprayer for rushes or docks ??

from my own experience v effective on the rush not so much on the dock

rangler1

_Brian wrote: »

So do many here use quad sprayers ??

Are they only useful for spot spraying or are the small booms as good at applying chemical as a tractor mounted sprayer for rushes or docks ??

Works fine here too, but very slow, mine hold 100ltr and puts that on acre at 4mph, booms are about 3mtrs.
also has a lance too ......better than a knapsack any way

Tomjim

Muckit wrote: »

No l think he's on about an orchard type sprayer that spreads with single nozzle something like a splash plate slurry tanker.

Rangler1 had a demo on his farm l think he said of a similar type machine.

yes this is the sprayer I am talking about does anyone know anything about these

kowtow

rangler1 wrote:

Works fine here too, but very slow, mine hold 100ltr and puts that on acre at 4mph, booms are about 3mtrs. also has a lance too ......better than a knapsack any way

Is that the single nozzle boom less one? Have one here for Holly ground but mostly use the Lance.

I did use the single nozzle for a couple of hectares of forefront today. Be interesting to see the results.

Tomjim

kowtow wrote: »

Is that the single nozzle boom less one? Have one here for Holly ground but mostly use the Lance.

I did use the single nozzle for a couple of hectares of forefront today. Be interesting to see the results.

yes thats the one , it is best used I understand in calm conditions

9935452

_Brian wrote: »

So do many here use quad sprayers ??

Are they only useful for spot spraying or are the small booms as good at applying chemical as a tractor mounted sprayer for rushes or docks ??

I have a 55 litre one . She has a 4 ft boom which sprays about 14/15 feet wide when working . i cover in or around half an acre with it and get good results in rushes and docks .
She has an upgrades lance too rather than the crap one that came with her.
Half squeeze the trigger and it gets a nice mist going . Fully pull it and it gets a jet going which can hit something 20 feet away