3 qualifying comp requirement to play opens

alxmorgan

Hey,

As the title suggests it was my understanding this was brought in by the GUI.
Does anyone know if this is enforced at all ?

Anyone any experience of not being able to play opens because of it ?

I ask as I may not be rejoining my club this year.
I stay away from home once a week with work so was thinking of joining a club near where I stay on distance membership to have somewhere to practice but the days I am there do not correspond with opens in the club so it will be very hard for me to play 3 qualifying rounds there.

So if this means I can't play "away" opens at all then fair enough but am interested to know.

thanks

Kingswood Rover

If you have 3 "qualifiers" from home club from 2016 you are fine for this year but if you do not join a club after i think its 6 months from the end of your previous club membership then your GUI handicap lapses, but only once your home club deletes you from its membership records on Golfnet you will need to join a club and submit 3 new cards for handicapping purposes. To play in an away open you need to have 3 qualifiers within 12 months of the date of the open you are playing in. Do clubs check, i can only speak for my own, we always check the winners of an opens we hold if they are from an away club to ensure that they are within the 12 month time frame, we simply do not have the resources to check the eligibility of every away player. I would imagine that it is the same in most clubs of our size. So in essence we will take your entry fee for playing in lieu of a green fee and amend the results of the comp if anyone in the prizes is not within the 12 month guidelines.

alxmorgan

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

If you have 3 "qualifiers" from home club from 2016 you are fine for this year but if you do not join a club after i think its 6 months from the end of your previous club membership then your GUI handicap lapses, but only once your home club deletes you from its membership records on Golfnet you will need to join a club and submit 3 new cards for handicapping purposes. To play in an away open you need to have 3 qualifiers within 12 months of the date of the open you are playing in. Do clubs check, i can only speak for my own, we always check the winners of an opens we hold if they are from an away club to ensure that they are within the 12 month time frame, we simply do not have the resources to check the eligibility of every away player. I would imagine that it is the same in most clubs of our size. So in essence we will take your entry fee for playing in lieu of a green fee and amend the results of the comp if anyone in the prizes is not within the 12 month guidelines.

Thanks for the reply. Sounds reasonable and I guess it does mean that you have a way of checking if the players have 3 home qualifiers played.

I wonder if I played an away open in this case would my home club (distance club in this case) update my handicap in this case or not do so as I shouldn't have been playing in the first place ?

clog

alxmorgan wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Sounds reasonable and I guess it does mean that you have a way of checking if the players have 3 home qualifiers played.

I wonder if I played an away open in this case would my home club (distance club in this case) update my handicap in this case or not do so as I shouldn't have been playing in the first place ?

If you have not fulfilled the criteria (3 home qualifiers) then your handicap will be marked as non competition. Your home clubs handicapping software will do this automatically and communicate this to Golfnet. The non competition status will be picked up by the club you are playing the open at. Sometimes this doesn't happen until the scores are counted up. It will show up though.

In effect though your away score would be void as you did not meet the criteria for competition entry.

golfrules

Hi just wondering Is this just a GUI rule. I can't find any mention of it in the ILGU 2017 Book. Many thanks

Ronney

"c" handicap brought in last year, I would guess most clubs would look for these for opens.

Competition Handicap ‘c’ Status (Clause 25)
- This merely indicates if a player has returned 3 Qualifying Scores in the preceding or current year and has
been in use in England, Scotland and Wales for a number of years
- The ‘c’ status may be required for entry to competitions in these countries (always check the Conditions
of Competition)
- In Ireland CONGU handicaps remain live irrespective of the number of scores returned each year.


https://www.golfnet.ie/sites/ContentControl/About%20Us%20Listing%20Assets/Leinster-GUI/Links/2016%20CONGU%20%20Major%20Changes.pdf

clog

Ronney wrote: »

"c" handicap brought in last year, I would guess most clubs would look for these for opens.

Competition Handicap ‘c’ Status (Clause 25)
- This merely indicates if a player has returned 3 Qualifying Scores in the preceding or current year and has
been in use in England, Scotland and Wales for a number of years
- The ‘c’ status may be required for entry to competitions in these countries (always check the Conditions
of Competition)
- In Ireland CONGU handicaps remain live irrespective of the number of scores returned each year.


https://www.golfnet.ie/sites/ContentControl/About%20Us%20Listing%20Assets/Leinster-GUI/Links/2016%20CONGU%20%20Major%20Changes.pdf

The 'competition handicap' can and is used as a requisite for competition entry. The definition is in the Congu rulebook at (part 1 (2) pg12).
The part of the regulations that governs the status of handicap which is acceptable is in Congu (part 4 (24.3) pg56). The union (GUI) has voted on and enacted this option for competitions at away clubs making a 'c' status mandatory.

In all clubs the competition/handicapping software will pick a non 'c' handicap up and the system will not allow the score to be finalised. This cannot be overridden and the players status can only be changed by the home club.

dan_ep82

Your 3 cards to aquire a HC qualify you for the opens.

Walter Alright

I understand how a person gains a 'competition handicap' in the first place.

I know you need to play in 3 competitions in the current year to have a c status the following year.

I read the links that Rooney & clog posted (Congu rulebook at (part 1 (2) pg12 & part 4 (24.3) pg56)

However once you have a c status where does it say that the 3 competitions have to be at your home course and not at away courses to keep the c status active?

Paddy1234

Walter Alright wrote: »

I understand how a person gains a 'competition handicap' in the first place.

I know you need to play in 3 competitions in the current year to have a c status the following year.

I read the links that Rooney & clog posted (Congu rulebook at (part 1 (2) pg12 & part 4 (24.3) pg56)

However once you have a c status where does it say that the 3 competitions have to be at your home course and not at away courses to keep the c status active?

This is confusing me too. I was a member of a club last year and played 3 qualifying competitions. Now I have joined a distance membership in a different club. Do I have to play 3 rounds at this club or can I play the 3 rounds anywhere to keep my competition handicap?

Thanks

Kingswood Rover

you just have to keep a club membership up each year without your handicap having lapsed obviously, to keep your handicap even if you do not play.

Paddy1234

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

you just have to keep a club membership up each year without your handicap having lapsed obviously, to keep your handicap even if you do not play.

But if you don't play 3 qualifying comps in 12 months you can't have a competition handicap according to the new rules. My question is do these 3 comps have to be in my new club or will open competitions suffice?

Thanks

clog

In order for you to retain 'c' status next year you will have to play 3 qualifiers at your new club.

See page 2 of this FAQ sheet from GUI Leinster branch for definition of 'c' status in as it specifically relates to Ireland.

https://www.golfnet.ie/sites/ContentControl/About%20Us%20Listing%20Assets/Leinster-GUI/Links/FAQs%20LG%2018%20March%202016.pdf



This was brought about by a vote at the GUI AGM a couple of years ago.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/gui-open-rule-passed-30025748.html

WHIP IT!

Lads, do the 3 Cards need to be from Comps that were 'counting', ie, no Winter Rules?

First Up

Paddy1234 wrote:

But if you don't play 3 qualifying comps in 12 months you can't have a competition handicap according to the new rules. My question is do these 3 comps have to be in my new club or will open competitions suffice?

Home club. The rule was introduced to stop people abusing the "distance" membership scam.

WHIP IT!

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Lads, do the 3 Cards need to be from Comps that were 'counting', ie, no Winter Rules?

Yes counting competitions.

benny79

Lads when you hand in your 3 cards how long should you wait till you get a HC? One of my mates joined a club at start of year.. Was accepted by committee etc handed in his 3 cards nearly 2 weeks ago and has heard nothing plus they haven't been in touch even to seek his membership payment or to see what way he's going to pay etc.. 4 months into the year!

He just filled out membership form name, address, phone no, ever a member of another club etc .. Got a letter to say he was accepted by committee thats its! Very poor on there part I taught.

I told him to give them a bell during the week... Just looking to see if other clubs are the same?

dan_ep82

benny79 wrote: »

Lads when you hand in your 3 cards how long should you wait till you get a HC? One of my mates joined a club at start of year.. Was accepted by committee etc handed in his 3 cards nearly 2 weeks ago and has heard nothing plus they haven't been in touch even to seek his membership payment or to see what way he's going to pay etc.. 4 months into the year!

He just filled out membership form name, address, phone no, ever a member of another club etc .. Got a letter to say he was accepted by committee thats its! Very poor on there part I taught.

I told him to give them a bell during the week... Just looking to see if other clubs are the same?

Ring them. 24 hours for ny HC

Ronney

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Ring them. 24 hours for ny HC

All down to the Handicap Secretary in your club, Cards could have sat in a box for a week or two before he even looked at them. Voluntary roles so amount of time people have to dedicate varies from club to club.

No harm in finding his number and a polite phone call

benny79

He rang yesterday and asked what the story was! The secretary got a bit smart saying she sent a letter months ago and it had in it a €100 deposit was required, but it had no such thing as I read the letter and it just said he was accepted by committee and welcomed him to club etc no mention of money or even 3 cards required! but he went out last night and paid deposit..and she said she will get everything sorted..

I just taught it shouldnt be up to him to chase the club to pay and taught it was bad form as he didnt hear from anybody. What's a simple phone call from the club and then when he rings, the secretary gets a bit smart! not exactly welcoming...

hurler1000

The 3 cards in precedening year only applies to Open singles comps correct? I.e. Not open fourball/team events correct ?

First Up

hurler1000 wrote: »

The 3 cards in precedening year only applies to Open singles comps correct? I.e. Not open fourball/team events correct ?

You either have a valid GUI jandicap or you don't. The same rules apply to any competition.