Stove install - ventilation requirements/building regs

isnottheword

I got a quote for a stove - and was going to run with it and get the supplier to install. I asked them to remove fitting of a 'vent kit' from the overall price. They say that they can't because of the regs. When did this regulation come into effect?

I have (window) trickle vents in my house - no wall vents. I think the wall vent idea is a crazy one in Ireland. What's the point in going to so much trouble with insulation and other such detail when you then go and puncture the envelope of the structure with holes!?


Are window vents sufficient under current regulations to facilitate stove installation?

Robbie.G

isnottheword wrote: »

I got a quote for a stove - and was going to run with it and get the supplier to install. I asked them to remove fitting of a 'vent kit' from the overall price. They say that they can't because of the regs. When did this regulation come into effect?

I have (window) trickle vents in my house - no wall vents. I think the wall vent idea is a crazy one in Ireland. What's the point in going to so much trouble with insulation and other such detail when you then go and puncture the envelope of the structure with holes!?


Are window vents sufficient under current regulations to facilitate stove installation?

The trickle vents don't even comply with basic ventilation to the never mind air for combustion
A permanent vent is required in the room for the stove
It's not a new reg it was always there

isnottheword

Robbie.G wrote: »

The trickle vents don't even comply with basic ventilation to the never mind air for combustion
A permanent vent is required in the room for the stove
It's not a new reg it was always there

It must have come in as a regulation at some point? What year was that? This house was built in 06 - and there are NO wall vents - just (window) trickle vents.

What happens in cases where stoves are provided with their own air supply AND/OR where there's a heat recovery ventilation system in place?

Cloudio9

2006 is a long time ago in terms of regs.

I did find it a bit frustrating that a stove installer insisted on putting ventilation in my 1970 build when I can feel the wind blowing under the skirting boards.

isnottheword

I'm getting it installed anyway - but I have to sign a 'waiver' suggesting that it's my intention to install (wall vent) myself.

I have trickle vents and I have 2x monoxide alarms. That will suffice as far as I'm concerned.


That said - I'm still curious. There are people building houses now with heat recovery systems and stoves. HRV systems couldn't possibly work with 'holes in the ruddy wall'....so I'd be interested to hear how the regulations deal with this.

What other nation on the planet with a climate like ours has a building system that involves puncturing the envelope of the dwelling with 4 inch holes...

I did find it a bit frustrating that a stove installer insisted on putting ventilation in my 1970 build when I can feel the wind blowing under the skirting boards.

I'm thinking in terms of this too. Mine was a celtic tiger build - not long before the peak. Whilst there have been some major issues (I'm getting dealt with via insurance!), I probably didn't fair so badly by comparison with others...but then, given the muck that was built at that time, that's not necessarily saying much.
Whilst I don't have draughts under skirting, there is air leakage in other areas where there shouldn't be. With that, I don't plan on adding to the problem. And before someone points out the obvious, I accept that it's a health and safety issue. However, I have trickle vents and 2x monoxide alarms - that's sufficient as far as I'm concerned.

Robbie.G

isnottheword wrote: »

It must have come in as a regulation at some point? What year was that? This house was built in 06 - and there are NO wall vents - just (window) trickle vents.

What happens in cases where stoves are provided with their own air supply AND/OR where there's a heat recovery ventilation system in place?

We are talking vents for stoves not ventilation
This is the 1997 building regs which cover heat producing appliances
Ventilation regs are part F
http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad%2C1650%2Cen.pdf

Robbie.G

Cloudio9 wrote: »

2006 is a long time ago in terms of regs.

I did find it a bit frustrating that a stove installer insisted on putting ventilation in my 1970 build when I can feel the wind blowing under the skirting boards.

That's called adventitious ventilation and can not be taken in to account for combustion air as it can't be measured

Robbie.G

isnottheword wrote: »

I'm getting it installed anyway - but I have to sign a 'waiver' suggesting that it's my intention to install (wall vent) myself.

I have trickle vents and I have 2x monoxide alarms. That will suffice as far as I'm concerned.


That said - I'm still curious. There are people building houses now with heat recovery systems and stoves. HRV systems couldn't possibly work with 'holes in the ruddy wall'....so I'd be interested to hear how the regulations deal with this.

What other nation on the planet with a climate like ours has a building system that involves puncturing the envelope of the dwelling with 4 inch holes...

I'm thinking in terms of this too. Mine was a celtic tiger build - not long before the peak. Whilst there have been some major issues (I'm getting dealt with via insurance!), I probably didn't fair so badly by comparison with others...but then, given the muck that was built at that time, that's not necessarily saying much.
Whilst I don't have draughts under skirting, there is air leakage in other areas where there shouldn't be. With that, I don't plan on adding to the problem. And before someone points out the obvious, I accept that it's a health and safety issue. However, I have trickle vents and 2x monoxide alarms - that's sufficient as far as I'm concerned.

A stove cannot be fitted into a house without air for combustion be that either an core bent or a external air intake

Dtp1979

Robbie.G wrote: »

A stove cannot be fitted into a house without air for combustion be that either an core bent or a external air intake

Don't waste your breath Robbie. What would you know shur. The op, with their extensive years working and learning in the trade, have decided upon themselves that the vent isn't necessary.

isnottheword

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Don't waste your breath Robbie. What would you know shur. The op, with their extensive years working and learning in the trade, have decided upon themselves that the vent isn't necessary.

It's unbecoming of anyone to be obnoxious. You'll note that I thanked Robbie.G for his input on the subject. I posed the query and he stepped up and answered it.

You can puncture the envelope of your dwelling if you wish - totally up to you - and I in no way suggest that anyone should do anything other than to follow the legal requirements and irish building regulations on the matter.

Just for kicks though, be aware that opinions vary and in the UK, 5kW or under means no such requirement.


Have a good evening.

Wearb

I am going to close this thread now as the original query has been answered.