Approach to buy

ganmo

Following on from the would you sell to a developer thread.
Would you approach someone to buy land that wasn't on the market?
It's something I'd be tempted to do

Grueller

I have done in the past. I approached a neighbour to buy a 12 acres field off him as there were only 2 sites available at home with road frontage and a clatter of us in it. This 12 acres would have left sites for all and maybe 8 acres beside our yard left over. Unfortunately he turned me down.

ganmo

Grueller wrote: »

I have done in the past. I approached a neighbour to buy a 12 acres field off him as there were only 2 sites available at home with road frontage and a clatter of us in it. This 12 acres would have left sites for all and maybe 8 acres beside our yard left over. Unfortunately he turned me down.

Did ye even get to talking figures?

Arrow in the Knee

In my area there is sites popping up everywhere.

Why does every Tom, Dick and Harry want to move out to the countryside?

I won't be able to take a quick piss in the fields without someone looking out the top window at me!

kk.man

Grueller wrote: »

I have done in the past. I approached a neighbour to buy a 12 acres field off him as there were only 2 sites available at home with road frontage and a clatter of us in it. This 12 acres would have left sites for all and maybe 8 acres beside our yard left over. Unfortunately he turned me down.

I've done it too..approached a neighbour for 7 acres adjoining me which he never farmed in 50 odd years. He too turned me down..it was embarrassing because he made me feel like I shouldn't have asked him. But if i didn't i might have regretted it..

sea12

kk.man wrote: »

I've done it too..approached a neighbour for 7 acres adjoining me which he never farmed in 50 odd years. He too turned me down..it was embarrassing because he made me feel like I shouldn't have asked him. But if i didn't i might have regretted it..

Yea I did too for the sane reason to build beside the home place as couldn't get permsion on our own land. He too turned me down.
Though in a weird set of circumstances he dies young and was not married. Land was out up for auction and I ended up buying it.

Wildsurfer

I have done so twice in the past but in my younger days when I thought I was going to take over the world! First time was a 2 acre field outside my door that a large farmer 3 miles away owned and rarely used so I asked him would he sell as it would be a lovely calf paddock for me. He came back a week later and said yes, but I think it was because he wanted to help a young lad starting out, he defo didn't need the money. Respect him to this day for it. Second time was 20 acres that a businessman owned being farmed by his brother to a very poor standard. Got his number, rang him out of the blue and said I would be interested in buying if he ever thought about it. An auctioneer rang me a few weeks later and we settled on a price which seemed expensive at time but a few years later one site would have paid for it.
Only thing is you show your cards so they will probably ask plenty for it. A big regret is a farm my Dad was renting when I was still a child. Rented it for years, great land and I still remember my Dad talking about approaching guy to sell as they got on very well, but didn't like to in case he took it wrong. Guy died, sold by family at public auction and another neighbour bought it. To this day look at it with a sigh of 'if only'. Land is an addiction, easy to get consumed in a quest for more.

rangler1

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I have done so twice in the past but in my younger days when I thought I was going to take over the world! First time was a 2 acre field outside my door that a large farmer 3 miles away owned and rarely used so I asked him would he sell as it would be a lovely calf paddock for me. He came back a week later and said yes, but I think it was because he wanted to help a young lad starting out, he defo didn't need the money. Respect him to this day for it. Second time was 20 acres that a businessman owned being farmed by his brother to a very poor standard. Got his number, rang him out of the blue and said I would be interested in buying if he ever thought about it. An auctioneer rang me a few weeks later and we settled on a price which seemed expensive at time but a few years later one site would have paid for it.
Only thing is you show your cards so they will probably ask plenty for it. A big regret is a farm my Dad was renting when I was still a child. Rented it for years, great land and I still remember my Dad talking about approaching guy to sell as they got on very well, but didn't like to in case he took it wrong. Guy died, sold by family at public auction and another neighbour bought it. To this day look at it with a sigh of 'if only'. Land is an addiction, easy to get consumed in a quest for more.

You will always have to come with an stronger offer to an unwilling seller,
if you weren't able to buy the farm at public auction, you wouldn't have a hope of attracting a guy that only death could separate from his land.

Who2

approached someone to rent ground off them one time and i was told they wouldn't rent it to me but they would sell it to me. That worked out grand, got taken for a ride on another bit that was running into silly money as your man kept rising the price at the last minute. i was lucky i got sense and pulled out when she came close on 20k an acre. hes it rented to some lad with horses since.
it takes a bit of neck, but its business too, so it wouldn't worry me.

popa smurf

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

In my area there is sites popping up everywhere.

Why does every Tom, Dick and Harry want to move out to the countryside?

I won't be able to take a quick piss in the fields without someone looking out the top window at me!

Ya totally agree with you should be no one off houses built it would be nice to see this changed. Build small estates with 3,4,5 bedroom houses in it close to villages,

Bellview

kk.man wrote:

I've done it too..approached a neighbour for 7 acres adjoining me which he never farmed in 50 odd years. He too turned me down..it was embarrassing because he made me feel like I shouldn't have asked him. But if i didn't i might have regretted it..

I did it too. Same story other folks in that he turned me down. I'm still renting it as it's really convenient to home Farm. We get on well and if he ever changes his mind I have first call.
On another place I bid on 12 years ago..the guy selling wanted to hold 3 sites and he was looking for 25k an acre..for ok land. I offered 20k but I wanted all the sites. He did not budge. Last year the same land sold for 11k an acre including the sites..I didn't buy as I bought other land..but the guy selling was still trying to use my 12 year old bid as floor

Grueller

ganmo wrote: »

Did ye even get to talking figures?

No. He wasnt insulted or anything, just not interested in selling it. He is in his late 80s now and still farming it away, all tillage. Son is 42 and has little interest. Last weekend the auld boy was sowing away, then rolled all 150ish acres himself. Son never sat on a machine all weekend. Fair play to the man, he was the picture of happiness working away. A real advertisement for farming.

fepper

popa smurf wrote: »

Ya totally agree with you should be no one off houses built it would be nice to see this changed. Build small estates with 3,4,5 bedroom houses in it close to villages,

It's good to have the option of selling 1 or 2 sites off your own land for whatever reason you want and long may that practice continue...

Cavanjack

Grueller wrote: »

No. He wasnt insulted or anything, just not interested in selling it. He is in his late 80s now and still farming it away, all tillage. Son is 42 and has little interest. Last weekend the auld boy was sowing away, then rolled all 150ish acres himself. Son never sat on a machine all weekend. Fair play to the man, he was the picture of happiness working away. A real advertisement for farming.

Maybe the old boy wouldn't let him roll it.

Grueller

Cavanjack wrote: »

Maybe the old boy wouldn't let him roll it.

Very possible in this case.

The part time boy

Our neighbour and close enough friend had money troubles a good few years ago. My father offered to buy a 20 acre field off him that was not attached to home block. I was running the farm at this stage and it would have been me that have paid for it
So no idea how my father taugh I could raise the money lol

But anyway the neiobour got very insulted with the offer and told someone else we be the last people he sell to.

His mad as a bag of cats anyway

melloa

i was very against selling in the other thread,

but now the tables turned and i have to approach people to see if i can buy parts of my grandfather's farm back,

to be honest i have already saved 3 acres of the original 65,

i only want to secure 2 acres that are right up beside my house, the rest is gone) (and out of sight)

i'm definitely taking my time, play the slow game

but have already made it 100% clear i am going to try to negotiate some fields back,

(also letting it be known around the place that i'm interested)

(hopefully excluding other possibly interested parties)

Base price

ganmo wrote: »

Following on from the would you sell to a developer thread.
Would you approach someone to buy land that wasn't on the market?
It's something I'd be tempted to do

Nothing ventured nothing gained. At the end of the day what are you going to loose. Depending on the circumstances and as Rangler said be prepared to offer over the odds.

kk.man

melloa wrote: »

i was very against selling in the other thread,

but now the tables turned and i have to approach people to see if i can buy parts of my grandfather's farm back,

to be honest i have already saved 3 acres of the original 65,

i only want to secure 2 acres that are right up beside my house, the rest is gone) (and out of sight)

i'm definitely taking my time, play the slow game

but have already made it 100% clear i am going to try to negotiate some fields back,

(also letting it be known around the place that i'm interested)

(hopefully excluding other possibly interested parties)

You have a genuine case...years ago here thete was a public auction of land and the bidding was getting frantic. One of the bidders stood up and informed the room 'this was my grandfathers place'....his was the last bid. Not sure if same morals exist today by people that some boundaries you don't cross.

Mooooo

kk.man wrote: »

You have a genuine case...years ago here thete was a public auction of land and the bidding was getting frantic. One of the bidders stood up and informed the room 'this was my grandfathers place'....his was the last bid. Not sure if same morals exist today by people that some boundaries you don't cross.

I would say they don't. Similarly years ago relatives of ours were in trouble when their father passed and their farm was forced to be put up for sale by a bank. A great grand uncle showed up to the packed auction and not a single bid was placed, he then bought it and farmed it till the kids were of age

kk.man

Mooooo wrote: »

I would say they don't. Similarly years ago relatives of ours were in trouble when their father passed and their farm was forced to be put up for sale by a bank. A great grand uncle showed up to the packed auction and not a single bid was placed, he then bought it and farmed it till the kids were of age

Apart from morals ...it just wouldnt be lucky...but that don't matter to alot of folk either

arctictree

I approached a neighbor to sell ground adjacent to our land. We agreed to get it valued and I would pay whatever the auctioneer valued it at. Didn't their auctioneer persuade them to put it on the market and then convince them to take an offer less than our offer...Still bitter over it years later....

K.G.

Never approach this with the view that the other party dosent need the land,or isnt making use of it or is nearly finished anyway.always treat owner with respect and lastly only ask once

lakill Farm

sometimes farmers and landowners cant sell land due to land deeds being used as security with a bank.

Just something to have consideration for

patsy_mccabe

I had a guy arrive into the yard one day looking to rent some land we have beside his house. Its only 4 acres and on its own about a mile away from us. he seemed to get a bit annoyed when I wouldn't rent, more or less telling me that the land was crap anyway.:D

He even said that my late father had promised him first refusal on it. Something I don't believe.

A cow called Daisy

How NOT to approach anyone, particularly Daisy, about buying land.

On opposite side of the ditch (pun intended) I have fields which lie better into a neighbours farm than my own. This neighbour has said things like
"When I sell them cattle in the spring I could buy them few fields beside me"
"Those fields of yours would suit us horrid well if you're thinking of selling"
"With your health not being great would you not think of selling them fields as if you give it to a nephew they'd only sell it anyway, and you might as well have the money"

He a grand neighbour the and don't really think he means it as bad as it sounds, just has no tact.
But the forestry premiums are attractive

ganmo

That's what I'd end up doin, broaching the conversation in totally the wrong way.

3 the square

is there some way to find out who is the owner of a plot of ground on line or somewhere??

ganmo

3 the square wrote: »

is there some way to find out who is the owner of a plot of ground on line or somewhere??

You have to pay for it on land direct

patsy_mccabe

Bcg

3 the square wrote: »

is there some way to find out who is the owner of a plot of ground on line or somewhere??

Just go and stand in the middle of it. Some auld cranky fella will come along and tell you to 'Get off his land'. That'll be him, the owner.

3 the square

ganmo wrote: »

You have to pay for it on land direct

Good stuff could u please explain what land direct is ?
And maybe water kinda money is involved.

cjpm

3 the square wrote: »

Good stuff could u please explain what land direct is ?
And maybe water kinda money is involved.

www.landdirect.ie

Click proceed as Guest

Accept the T's&C's

Put your mouse on the map and zoom in wherever you want to see

Once you are zoomed in enough, click on the plot and the Folio Number and boundaries will be displayed.

Click add to basket

Then select an option
1 Folio €5 (Shows who the owner is)
2 Folio with Map €40 (you don't really need the map as you can take a screen shot of your monitor)

Add to basket

Checkout

I think it is normally e-mailed to you as a PDF file

3 the square

cjpm wrote: »

www.landdirect.ie

Click proceed as Guest

Accept the T's&C's

Put your mouse on the map and zoom in wherever you want to see

Once you are zoomed in enough, click on the plot and the Folio Number and boundaries will be displayed.

Click add to basket

Then select an option
1 Folio €5 (Shows who the owner is)
2 Folio with Map €40 (you don't really need the map as you can take a screen shot of your monitor)

Add to basket

Checkout

I think it is normally e-mailed to you as a PDF file

Many thanks sir

kevthegaff

Asked a guy about renting a field, he asked would I buy as guy renting wasn't coughing up. Bought it anyway, next land adjoining I heard was being planted, so hopped in car and asked guy would he be interested in renting/selling. Same again relation of his wasn't coughing up and was fed up. He said contract signed and too late, so that was my 2 efforts!

davidk1394

I was asked the other week would we buy a few acres joining us. We'll see what kind of money is on it. Can't build on it as there's a gas pipe line going through the field and ESB wires criss crossing the field

Stopitwillya

davidk1394 wrote: »

I was asked the other week would we buy a few acres joining us. We'll see what kind of money is on it. Can't build on it as there's a gas pipe line going through the field and ESB wires criss crossing the field

Have approached a neighbour farmer and bought 22 acres off him. Paid over the odds for the land though.