Selling car - will be exported to Spain

Veloce

Hi all

I am just wondering what is the procedure for selling a car to a foreign individual in terms of the Logbook/VRC? Is this still sent to Shannon?

I have a Spanish resident flying in to Dublin on Saturday.

Thanks

CiniO

The only way any foreign buyer is going to buy a car from you, is that you hand him down your reg cert (logbook).
No one in the right mind would buy a car without taking a logbook, because:
a) they wouldn't be able to drive it home as logbook is required to be carried by driver when driving abroad.
b) they wouldn't be able yo register the car in their home country.


However on the other side, you have Dept of Transport in Shannon, who are advising people not to give logbook to foreign buyers buy send it to them instead, and that they will assist buyer with documentation needed for registering the car in their home country. That is a putw nonsense and lie, but that's what they are saying.

So in other words you might want to listen to Shannon, but then you just won't sell your car to foreign buyer unless he/she is a complete idiot, or you can hand the buyer the logbook and be done with it.

Veloce

Thanks CiniO

This process sounds like a right pain in the a$$.

Crap anyway. Luckily the Spanish buyer is also looking at other cars - not sure if I am happy giving the VRC over though in case he plans on staying around and rubbing up some tolls and speeding fines (!)

CiniO

I wouldn't be worried.
Just make sure you sign some paperwork with him that would give you some proof that you actually sold him the car. F.e. contract of sale stating your names, addresses, vehicle make, model, reg number, vin number, date and time of sale, and stating fact that he is taking vehicle abroad right away.

If he's flying from Spain to pick it up, it doesn't look like he's going to use it over here.

mullingar

Anyone else think this screams of a scam?

International buyer? RHD car?

Que buyer arrives, gives bank draft, drives off, seller discovers that its fake, blah, blah...

Alun

Sounds a bit dodgy to me to be honest. What payment method is he offering?

my3cents

As soon as I read the thread title my scam-o-meter hit 100%.

Just be very careful here OP, anything other than cash that you check isn't counterfeit is dodgy.

K.Flyer

There are quite a few RHD cars on the Spanish Costas owned and driven usually by British ex-pats and the odd Irish, I cannot see it making any sense whatsover to fly from Spain to Ireland to pay market price for a car and then ship it back and import it into Spain when they can usually be bought cheaper in the U.K.
Sounds like a Scam of some sort to me. Even if he is handing you cash, make sure you have a means of checking for forgeries before parting with the car.

asteroids over berlin

what make of car i sit - rare or expensive etc?

CiniO

K.Flyer wrote: »

There are quite a few RHD cars on the Spanish Costas owned and driven usually by British ex-pats and the odd Irish, I cannot see it making any sense whatsover to fly from Spain to Ireland to pay market price for a car and then ship it back and import it into Spain when they can usually be bought cheaper in the U.K.
Sounds like a Scam of some sort to me. Even if he is handing you cash, make sure you have a means of checking for forgeries before parting with the car.

Some cars are cheaper in Ireland than UK.

Veloce

Ah no - it's not a scam, I'm reasonably sure of it. It's a 350z and the potential buyer is a drifter so doesn't matter if it's LHD or RHD.

Veloce

mullingar wrote: »

Anyone else think this screams of a scam?

International buyer? RHD car?

Que buyer arrives, gives bank draft, drives off, seller discovers that its fake, blah, blah...

See my post above. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions - not all international buyers are scam artists.

K.Flyer

CiniO wrote: »

Some cars are cheaper in Ireland than UK.

I did use the word "usually" in my post...
But given generally the scope of choice and usually higher spec, it would appear a lot of trouble to go to buying it here and lumping it over to Spain.
If it was going from here to the U.K. it might sound more plausible if it was a big engined pre 08 motor.

galwaytt

CiniO wrote: »

The only way any foreign buyer is going to buy a car from you, is that you hand him down your reg cert (logbook).
No one in the right mind would buy a car without taking a logbook, because:
a) they wouldn't be able to drive it home as logbook is required to be carried by driver when driving abroad.
b) they wouldn't be able yo register the car in their home country.


However on the other side, you have Dept of Transport in Shannon, who are advising people not to give logbook to foreign buyers buy send it to them instead, and that they will assist buyer with documentation needed for registering the car in their home country. That is a putw nonsense and lie, but that's what they are saying.

So in other words you might want to listen to Shannon, but then you just won't sell your car to foreign buyer unless he/she is a complete idiot, or you can hand the buyer the logbook and be done with it.

This is the same Shannon who tell you, when you bring in a car from somewhere else that you must have the foreign Cert.................like one rule for them and another for everyone else.

CiniO

galwaytt wrote: »

This is the same Shannon who tell you, when you bring in a car from somewhere else that you must have the foreign Cert.................like one rule for them and another for everyone else.

Exactly.

9. Vehicle Exports.
Vehicles which qualify for a VRT refund

Legislation introduced in 2013 provides for the refund of residual VRT where a vehicle is permanently exported from the State (S.I. No 110 of 2013 – Finance Act 2012). The refund is limited to passenger vehicles (EU category M1) that are registered in the State and on which VRT has been paid. Vehicles are subject to a pre-export inspection and repayment of VRT is made by the Revenue Commissioners based on proof of import and registration in the destination jurisdiction. Details are available on the website at www.revenue.ie or telephone 047-62100.

Vehicles which are not concerned with a refund of VRT

Article 12 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) (Amendment) Regulations 1992 (S.I. No. 385 of 1992) provides for the licensing authority to be informed in writing by the registered owner when a vehicle is being permanently exported from the State. The current registered owner must inform the local Motor Tax Office and/or the Driver and Vehicle Computer Services Division (DVCSD), Department of Transport Tourism & Sport, Shannon, Co Clare that the vehicle is being permanently exported to a given export destination (country).

Where the ownership of the vehicle is being transferred to a person outside the jurisdiction of the State, the current registered owner is obliged to submit the Vehicle Registration Certificate (VRC) to DVCSD in Shannon and the purchaser’s name and address details must also be submitted.

Please note that the VRC should not be given to the purchaser of the vehicle either in Ireland or abroad. The DVCSD will assist the authorities in the exporting destination with vehicle details.

The current registered owner of the vehicle should be aware that their liability for the vehicle under the Road Traffic Acts continues in respect of the vehicle until the licensing authority in the export destination confirms import and registration to the DVCSD.


Refund of Road Tax

The Motor Tax Office will advise you of the position in relation to the refund of any road tax where a vehicle is being exported.

This is info from Shannon.
Bolded the most relevant part.

I still wouldn't listen to them, as it's just pure nonsense and anyone trying to follow their guidelines, won't be able to sell car to foreign buyer.

If op has a rare car and there's a foreign buyer interested, and OP thinks buyer is genuine, then I see no problem with handing down logbook.
Most people in Ireland hand down logbooks anyway - most cars I bought here it was buyer who gave me logbooks and asked if I could post it.

galwaytt

mullingar wrote: »

Anyone else think this screams of a scam?

International buyer? RHD car?

Que buyer arrives, gives bank draft, drives off, seller discovers that its fake, blah, blah...

I've sold two cars overseas, no issues: but I did get my money first, into my bank - but I did give the Reg Cert with the cars. I copied them and sent details to Shannon - that's my part done.

mullingar

I'd just send Shannon a photocopy of the VLC. The buyer would need the VLC to re register it.

Veloce

Quick question - would the foreign buyer still complete the change of ownership details on the form before photocopying this and sending the Shannon?

Atlantic Dawn

Veloce wrote: »

Quick question - would the foreign buyer still complete the change of ownership details on the form before photocopying this and sending the Shannon?

I think it's a good idea to as it means they can't decide to sell it on if the form is already filled in.

Veloce

Thanks AD

Guy:Incognito

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think it's a good idea to as it means they can't decide to sell it on if the form is already filled in.

Unless they discover that tipex exists ☺

K.Flyer

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Unless they discover that tipex exists ☺

Thats why you take a photograph of both sides of the completed document as soon as it is filled out and email the images to yourself.