New chargers thread

fricatus

I did a quick search here and on the ecars website but couldn't find a thread about new chargers or ones about to be installed. I reckon it would be a handy resource to be able to see new chargers being added to the network over time.

To start things off: I understand there's a fast charger going in at Walsh's Car Sales (Nissan) on the Cork Road in Waterford.

Also, locally, we could really do with one on the east side of the city, be it in Ardkeen Shopping Centre, the Retail Park, or UHW. Of course I just want one within walking distance of my gaff in case I ever make the switch to an EV!

goz83

fricatus wrote: »

Of course I just want one within walking distance of my gaff in case I ever make the switch to an EV!

Jaysus lad, ya can't be saying that. There's a whole split thread about charging etiquette that's raging at the moment :pac:

On a serious note, if you want a charge point within walking distance of your gaff, you can install one outside your gaff.....ideally in your garden

fricatus

goz83 wrote: »

Jaysus lad, ya can't be saying that. There's a whole split thread about charging etiquette that's raging at the moment :pac:

LOL, yeah, I know... but in all seriousness it's very reassuring if you have one nearby in case your own one goes on the blink, or like in the case of someone I knew who bought an EV and depended on it for two weeks before their own charge point was installed.

cros13

fricatus wrote: »

I understand there's a fast charger going in at Walsh's Car Sales (Nissan) on the Cork Road in Waterford.

There's a rapid charger on that road already... behind the garage just after the next roundabout... they have one bay permanently blocked with a picnic table i've been meaning to tow in front of one of their pumps.... *cough* *cough*... I mean politely ask them to move for the fourth time.

DrPhilG

fricatus wrote: »

I did a quick search here and on the ecars website but couldn't find a thread about new chargers or ones about to be installed.

There aren't any.

The money for installations is long gone and no new installs are currently planned.

n97 mini

Anecdotally quite a few public sector employers seem to be putting them in. School near me took the leap, for example.

BoatMad

n97 mini wrote: »

Anecdotally quite a few public sector employers seem to be putting them in. School near me took the leap, for example.

actually the take up is very slow amongst the public sector

n97 mini

BoatMad wrote: »

actually the take up is very slow amongst the public sector

Not so sure about that. No private sector employer near me has them, but various educational establishments do. E.g. NUI Maynooth has three (non public).

BoatMad

n97 mini wrote: »

Not so sure about that. No private sector employer near me has them, but various educational establishments do. E.g. NUI Maynooth has three (non public).

UCD has two , but schools have been very slow and only a few have some form of support for EV charging even if its just an outside plug for the granny cable

cros13

n97 mini wrote: »

Not so sure about that. No private sector employer near me has them, but various educational establishments do. E.g. NUI Maynooth has three (non public).

I thought NUI Maynooth's were public. I've used them before...

Around my work there are several public bodies and museums, none of which have any charging. Almost all the private employers with more than 10 employees do.

BoatMad wrote: »

UCD has two

I've used those too.... I really need to start paying attention...

goz83

BoatMad wrote: »

UCD has two , but schools have been very slow and only a few have some form of support for EV charging even if its just an outside plug for the granny cable

My wife teaches in a second level school in Dublin. There are now 4 EVs (including ours) amongst the staff cars and still no CP.

Calahonda52

goz83 wrote: »

My wife teaches in a second level school in Dublin. There are now 4 EVs (including ours hers) amongst the staff cars and still no CP.

goz83

Calahonda52 wrote: »

If she uses it more........then I have a better excuse to go buy a Tesla

n97 mini

cros13 wrote: »

I thought NUI Maynooth's were public. I've used them before...

They're not on the ecars map. Neither are UCD's.

cros13

I figured it out.. they are both on BMWs maps and marked as public.

unkel

fricatus wrote: »

someone I knew who bought an EV and depended on it for two weeks before their own charge point was installed.

They were doing it wrong. You need to have your free charge point installed before you buy the EV :pac:

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

They were doing it wrong. You need to have your free charge point installed before you buy the EV :pac:

+1 While in theory yes , if you are availing of the free offer , that can be hard to arrange

We had it installed beforehand because we had 6 weeks delay on the specific leaf we wanted

Calahonda52

The North Campus Maynooth one is here: 53.3846615,-6.6736995 from plugshare

Is a University campus a public place? Certainly UCD does not seem to be as they have the facility to shut all vehicular entrances as well as restrict X-campus access to deter it being used as rat run.

BoatMad

Calahonda52 wrote: »

The North Campus Maynooth one is here: 53.3846615,-6.6736995 from plugshare

Is a University campus a public place? Certainly UCD does not seem to be as they have the facility to shut all vehicular entrances as well as restrict X-campus access to deter it being used as rat run.

The chargers are in a car park accessible to the public.

n97 mini

BoatMad wrote: »

The chargers are in a car park accessible to the public.

Is the car park nor just for students, staff and visitors? UCD clamped down on the public parking there (it was probably the biggest P+R in the country) with just a small amount of pay parking available to visitors. Not sure which section has the CPs in UCD tho.

n97 mini

cros13 wrote: »

I figured it out.. they are both on BMWs maps and marked as public.

Neither are on the Nissan system. Hyundai anyone, for the tie breaker?

BoatMad

n97 mini wrote: »

Is the car park nor just for students, staff and visitors? UCD clamped down on the public parking there (it was probably the biggest P+R in the country) with just a small amount of pay parking available to visitors. Not sure which section has the CPs in UCD tho.

The staff car parks are now all permit based and inaccessible , the rest are fee based but open to public ( but almost always full )

The two chsrge points are in the small car park that normally has the short term red spaces , near the old house

Byw they are almost always innuse by staff recharging

n97 mini

Are you sure it's "public" parking though, and not just intended for visitors?

Gumbo

I wish there was a FCP between navan and Cavan.
I've to go to Cavan for 2 days on Wednesday and I'm debating whether the EV is up to it.

North Dublin to navan is fine. FCP in navan but from there to the hotel in Cavan is 94km and in a 24 kWh Leaf.....I think it's on the limit.

This is where a 30kwh would have came into its own but the funds to get a 2016 model were not there.

I'm thinking the ICE has to get used for this.

unkel

Surely you can do more than 94km in a 24kWh Leaf? Or do you drive a bit over the speed limit?

KCross

Assuming you would be leaving the FCP with 80% and not 100% I don't think you'd make it.

If you are willing to wait through the very slow part of the charge beyond 80% to 100% you would be OK.

thelikelylad

Had a nose at the planning permission submissions for the planned Topaz service stations on the M8 and M9.

The site map for J14/M8 shows an area for electric car charging, but no details other than that.

Didn't see anything in the plans for the M9 site but I could have missed something.

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

Surely you can do more than 94km in a 24kWh Leaf? Or do you drive a bit over the speed limit?

I'm not 100% sure tbh
If I knew I'd make it at xxkmph then I'd just set the cruise control and be done with it but close to 100km on motorway would be very close to the limit I would imagine?

KCross wrote: »

Assuming you would be leaving the FCP with 80% and not 100% I don't think you'd make it.

If you are willing to wait through the very slow part of the charge beyond 80% to 100% you would be OK.

Roughly how long to get from 80% to 100%?
I will be at 100% leaving Finglas, so should hit navan FCP with about 50ish %?

KCross

kceire wrote: »

Roughly how long to get from 80% to 100%?
I will be at 100% leaving Finglas, so should hit navan FCP with about 50ish %?

I've never done it on an FCP so maybe someone else will confirm but I'd say you would be looking at 30mins from 80-100%

Once you get beyond 80% in a 24kWh Leaf the charge rate drops back sharply and isn't that much faster than 32A at home!

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

I've never done it on an FCP so maybe someone else will confirm but I'd say you would be looking at 30mins from 80-100%

Once you get beyond 80% in a 24kWh Leaf the charge rate drops back sharply and isn't that much faster than 32A at home!

Think it's looking more like the ICE for this trip
If I wasn't pressed to be there for 9/9.30 I'd do the Leaf and enjoy the trip and have a plan B for one of the slow chargers along the route.

I wonder would driving in B, and eco with the heater off give a better range......
Might try an N2 trip tomorrow evening to test a motorway run.

KCross

kceire wrote: »

I wonder would driving in B, and eco with the heater off give a better range......
Might try an N2 trip tomorrow evening to test a motorway run.

B mode won't help on motorway as you won't be using regen much.

Driving slower will make much more difference than turning off the heating.

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

B mode won't help on motorway as you won't be using regen much.

Driving slower will make much more difference than turning off the heating.

I'm wondering now.

If I can get to 100% or very close to at the Navan FCP then,

Keeping it at 80kmph towards Cavan maybe......

But if I budget in a stop in Cavan town either in the Dublin Road or Farnham street, I know it's a slow charger but maybe the boost is enough to get me there without worrying?

I'm trying to a avoid borrowing the ICE as this will be a real test if it can do these types of runs without the missus and her 'I told you so' comments

KCross

kceire wrote: »

I'm wondering now.

If I can get to 100% or very close to at the Navan FCP then,

Keeping it at 80kmph towards Cavan maybe......

But if I budget in a stop in Cavan town either in the Dublin Road or Farnham street, I know it's a slow charger but maybe the boost is enough to get me there without worrying?

I'm trying to a avoid borrowing the ICE as this will be a real test if it can do these types of runs without the missus and her 'I told you so' comments

If you go at 80kmh you will get more than 100km from a 24kWh Leaf from 100%.

The SCP en-route would be your plan B. You just need to ensure you have a place to plugin when you get to your destination.

Its alot of waiting at chargers though. Im in a similar situation next weekend. I can do Cork-Dublin but I cant do Cork-Limerick due to a lack of an FCP from my starting point.

BoatMad

n97 mini wrote: »

Are you sure it's "public" parking though, and not just intended for visitors?

Jeepers mate. I am a visitor there on several occasions , The car park is " open to the public " , in that there are no restrictions , once you pay your ticket , in who parks there . whether you wander around UCD or get a bus , its irevelant.

The chargers are in that carpak, two spaces

BoatMad

kceire wrote: »

I wish there was a FCP between navan and Cavan.
I've to go to Cavan for 2 days on Wednesday and I'm debating whether the EV is up to it.

North Dublin to navan is fine. FCP in navan but from there to the hotel in Cavan is 94km and in a 24 kWh Leaf.....I think it's on the limit.

This is where a 30kwh would have came into its own but the funds to get a 2016 model were not there.

I'm thinking the ICE has to get used for this.

The alternative I did , was Castlebellingham Cavan , which is about 80 km, ecars realise the N2 is a bit of a wasteland, They ran out of money before they could fix it

BoatMad

KCross wrote: »

Assuming you would be leaving the FCP with 80% and not 100% I don't think you'd make it.

If you are willing to wait through the very slow part of the charge beyond 80% to 100% you would be OK.

Interesting , ( thread drift ) , I notice especially at DBTs and some EFace , the 30 kWh can have very high charge rates after 80% , I was charging at Nissan Parkwest and at 89% , the Amp reading was 52A which is 20.8 kW !

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

If you go at 80kmh you will get more than 100km from a 24kWh Leaf from 100%.

The SCP en-route would be your plan B. You just need to ensure you have a place to plugin when you get to your destination.

Its alot of waiting at chargers though. Im in a similar situation next weekend. I can do Cork-Dublin but I cant do Cork-Limerick due to a lack of an FCP from my starting point.

I think I may try it and judge if I need to stop at Cavan or not closer to the point.
The hotel has a SCP where the conference is on (Slieve Russel in ballyconnell) and I may call before hand to see if the spot can be reserved.

I am staying in a B&B 4km before the hotel so I'll also have to ask if I can granny charge there if I have no access to the SCP.

BoatMad wrote: »

The alternative I did , was Castlebellingham Cavan , which is about 80 km, ecars realise the N2 is a bit of a wasteland, They ran out of money before they could fix it

There's an EV route planner that I tried and it suggested this route. Up M1c and out by Monaghan to avail of the FCP's on route.

BoatMad

kceire wrote: »

I think I may try it and judge if I need to stop at Cavan or not closer to the point.
The hotel has a SCP where the conference is on (Slieve Russel in ballyconnell) and I may call before hand to see if the spot can be reserved.

I am staying in a B&B 4km before the hotel so I'll also have to ask if I can granny charge there if I have no access to the SCP.




There's an EV route planner that I tried and it suggested this route. Up M1c and out by Monaghan to avail of the FCP's on route.

well Castlebellingham FCP to Cavan should be well within the range of the 24 kWh Leaf

KCross

kceire wrote: »

I think I may try it and judge if I need to stop at Cavan or not closer to the point.
The hotel has a SCP where the conference is on (Slieve Russel in ballyconnell) and I may call before hand to see if the spot can be reserved.

Isnt that a good bit beyond Cavan so that's going to be harder to achieve even via Castlebellingham!?

I think you'll have to use the FCP's and at least one SCP to make that trip regardless of which route you take.

That part of the country is really lacking FCP support.

BoatMad

KCross wrote: »

Isnt that a good bit beyond Cavan so that's going to be harder to achieve even via Castlebellingham!?

I think you'll have to use the FCP's and at least one SCP to make that trip regardless of which route you take.

That part of the country is really lacking FCP support.

the Op neglected that bit .

Gumbo

BoatMad wrote: »

well Castlebellingham FCP to Cavan should be well within the range of the 24 kWh Leaf

Google maps put it at 110+ km

KCross wrote: »

Isnt that a good bit beyond Cavan so that's going to be harder to achieve even via Castlebellingham!?

I think you'll have to use the FCP's and at least one SCP to make that trip regardless of which route you take.

That part of the country is really lacking FCP support.

Yes I think I'd be safer going the navan route. Navan FCP to slieve russel car park is 94km and Navan FCP to Cavan is 71km which is deffo doable if I'm running low.

I'll just allow plenty of time and treat it like an adventure

I have driven twice Leixlip->Monaghan rapid on the old N3 via Navan, Kingscourt without charging on a 24 kWh Leaf. Just go with the flow of the road and try to cruise using two power dots only. Don't use the cruise control but let the speed vary a bit going up/downhills.

The key on successfully driving the leaf is to avoid the motorways at all cost. :-)

BoatMad

The key on successfully driving the leaf is to avoid the motorways at all cost. :-)

well just drive at 100 kmph or less on them

goz83

BoatMad wrote: »

well just drive at 100 kmph or less on them

I found cruising at 90 worked quite well.

BoatMad

goz83 wrote: »

I found cruising at 90 worked quite well.

yes indeed , I travelled park west to Wexford town ( circa 150 km) by driving at 95kmph, left parkwest on 88% , ( 30 kWh) , arrived Cresent quay wexford m with 15% ( 28 km ) left. average speed 95 km/h. I find the M11 hills to Gorey consume 30Km of range

ELM327

BoatMad wrote: »

yes indeed , I travelled park west to Wexford town ( circa 150 km) by driving at 95kmph, left parkwest on 88% , ( 30 kWh) , arrived Cresent quay wexford m with 15% ( 28 km ) left. average speed 95 km/h. I find the M11 hills to Gorey consume 30Km of range

That M11 I find drains range in my 24 kWh. Generally I use cruise control on motorways at 100km/h. But I have a semi regular drive to near Ferns, and the m/n11 is not very economical in either direction. So I am forced to drive at 90

It's like the m3 from the toll booth to junction 7, the range just seems to drop.

BoatMad

ELM327 wrote: »

That M11 I find drains range in my 24 kWh. Generally I use cruise control on motorways at 100km/h. But I have a semi regular drive to near Ferns, and the m/n11 is not very economical in either direction. So I am forced to drive at 90

It's like the m3 from the toll booth to junction 7, the range just seems to drop.

yes

substantial climbs heading south

Bray south
KIlmacanogue
greystones South
wicklow summit
avoca river to beyond Arklow south

the only substantial gain , is the hill after wicklow summit