Sick Pay deduction

tedpan

Last year, My wife's​ office put in a rule that if you're off sick for more than 3 days within a 6 month period, they have the right not to pay you at the manager's discretion.

She was off sick with a viral infection in December and was signed off on antibiotics for 4 days. Her manager docked a day's pay. A doctor's note was given.

Then two weeks ago she was ill with the vomiting bug and a chest infection. She went into work on the Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

On the Wednesday afternoon her manager said she looked terrible and said she should see a doctor. I booked an appointment and brought her to the doctor on the Thursday morning. Once again she was prescribed antibiotics and other medication and signed off work until the next Wednesday.

She has just received her payslip with 4 days docked which is a considerable chunk of her salary.

I really wanted to get your thoughts as I'm not happy with the situation.

tracey turnblad

It depends on the sick pay scheme they operate. Even the social welfare don't pay you for your first 5 days. I know in my last job you didn't get paid for your first three days... she should check her contract

Donal55

tedpan wrote: »

Last year, My wife's​ office put in a rule that if you're off sick for more than 3 days within a 6 month period, they have the right not to pay you at the manager's discretion.

She was off sick with a viral infection in December and was signed off on antibiotics for 4 days. Her manager docked a day's pay. A doctor's note was given.

Then two weeks ago she was ill with the vomiting bug and a chest infection. She went into work on the Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

On the Wednesday afternoon her manager said she looked terrible and said she should see a doctor. I booked an appointment and brought her to the doctor on the Thursday morning. Once again she was prescribed antibiotics and other medication and signed off work until the next Wednesday.

She has just received her payslip with 4 days docked which is a considerable chunk of her salary.

I really wanted to get your thoughts as I'm not happy with the situation.

Jobs don't have to pay sick pay. Can your wife not claim back on the SW for the lost days?

judeboy101

Antibiotics for a viral infection, get a better doctor OP.

Senna

Sick pay does not have to be paid by the employer. So whatever is in the contract is all they have to pay

tedpan

Donal55 wrote:

Jobs don't have to pay sick pay. Can your wife not claim back on the SW for the lost days?

I had a look on the social welfare website and it states they don't pay for the first 6 days. So I'm guessing she doesn't qualify?

tedpan

tracey turnblad wrote:

It depends on the sick pay scheme they operate. Even the social welfare don't pay you for your first 5 days. I know in my last job you didn't get paid for your first three days... she should check her contract

Cheers, I'll take a look at the contract.

marko99

It's entirely up to the employer. There's no obligation on an employer to have any sick pay scheme at all.

Turkish1

marko99 wrote: »

It's entirely up to the employer. There's no obligation on an employer to have any sick pay scheme at all.

Exactly, additionally it will likely be in the employee handbook and not specifically stated in her contract.

Alot of companies changing to this type of policy as people take the piss otherwise.

TimeToShine

I don't understand what your issue is.

The company gives 3 sick days every 6 months (on a rolling period I presume)

Your wife was sick for 4 days in December, she was paid for 3 as per their sick pay leave scheme and the last day was docked.

She was sick again in March for 4 days and will not be paid anything.

Come May/June she will have another 3 sick days for the following 6 month period.

Masala

Ya.... You get sick on your own time!!! What makes you think that an employer owes her an income when she not working at her job!!!

Those days are gone when employees can 'use up my sick days' as free holidays that you get paid for.

Only civil service still operating those archaic rules!!

Turkish1

TimeToShine wrote: »

I don't understand what your issue is.

The company gives 3 sick days every 6 months (on a rolling period I presume)

Your wife was sick for 4 days in December, she was paid for 3 as per their sick pay leave scheme and the last day was docked.

She was sick again in March for 4 days and will not be paid anything.

Come May/June she will have another 3 sick days for the following 6 month period.

I'd just be careful on that last point - she should probably ask for clarification. As ridiculous as it sounds, my last workplace counted the unpaid sick leave when calculating the rolling 6 month period - i.e. would be entitled to paid sick leave until September.

Donal55

How are ye fixed for force majeure leave?
My wife had the symptoms of swine flu a good few years back and she couldn't go sick in similar circumstances as the OP.

The manager however didn't want to take the chance in case it was swine flu and so he signed her off on force majeure for 3 or 4 days so as to keep her out of the factory.

Mrs OBumble

tedpan wrote: »

Cheers, I'll take a look at the contract.

It's none of your business.

If your wife has a problem with how her employer is administering her employent contract, she needs to research it herself.

Masala

Donal55 wrote: »

How are ye fixed for force majeure leave?
My wife had the symptoms of swine flu a good few years back and she couldn't go sick in similar circumstances as the OP.

The manager however didn't want to take the chance in case it was swine flu and so he signed her off on force majeure for 3 or 4 days so as to keep her out of the factory.

I don't think the above falls within the rules of Force Majeur.....technically.

davo10

Donal55 wrote: »

How are ye fixed for force majeure leave?
My wife had the symptoms of swine flu a good few years back and she couldn't go sick in similar circumstances as the OP.

The manager however didn't want to take the chance in case it was swine flu and so he signed her off on force majeure for 3 or 4 days so as to keep her out of the factory.

This is not a FM situation, that type of leave has very specific criteria.

Tigger

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It's none of your business.

If your wife has a problem with how her employer is administering her employent contract, she needs to research it herself.

i'm sorry but what?
of course it his business
hes clearly helping his wife understand whats going on.

Donal55

davo10 wrote: »

This is not a FM situation, that type of leave has very specific criteria.

You are correct. I found out after about FM leave, however I think it suited both my wife and her manager if she didn't cross the door!

davo10

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It's none of your business.

If your wife has a problem with how her employer is administering her employent contract, she needs to research it herself.

Seriously? You a telling the op that his wife's loss of earnings is none of his business?. Most married couples consider their finances a joint consideration.

Mrs OBumble

davo10 wrote: »

Seriously? You a telling the op that his wife's loss of earnings is none of his business?. Most married couples consider their finances a joint consideration.

Yes, seriously.

Its her job. He has no right to see her employee handbook or records. The company will not discuss them with him.

She needs to be adult and figure out her own employment situation.

Tigger

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes, seriously.

Its her job. He has no right to see her employee handbook or records. The company will not discuss them with him.

She needs to be adult and figure out her own employment situation.

can she consult a solicitor o a shop steward
is it only her husband that she cant get help from

davo10

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes, seriously.

Its her job. He has no right to see her employee handbook or records. The company will not discuss them with him.

She needs to be adult and figure out her own employment situation.

Wow.

pilly

Employer has no obligation to pay sick pay OP. Sorry, not much you can do about it.

Mrs OBumble

Tigger wrote: »

can she consult a solicitor o a shop steward
is it only her husband that she cant get help from

She can consult any one SHE wants to. But there's no hint of that here: it's purely hubby being controlling and trying to rage about her wage. Which is none of his business.

Her job. Her employment contract. Her rights. Her wages.

Not his.

Shop steward or other union official may or may not be part of a discussion, depending on whether the unions are recognised by the workplace.

rex-x

Someone is definitely single :pac:

tracey turnblad

Is he allowed ask about anything for her?or is it just aboutwages? Like could he ask does anyone know where she could get nice shoes or is she only allowed ask about that?

Mrs OBumble

rex-x wrote: »

Someone is definitely single :pac:

Nope. But the day Mr O'Bumble starts inspecting my wage slips is the day he gets his marching orders.

No reason why women should put up with controlling BS.

tracey turnblad

He's not controlling though he's trying to help his other half out? What happens if mr bumble loses his job will mrs bumble keep all the money for herself? Or just not tell mr bumble how much she earns?

davo10

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nope. But the day Mr O'Bumble starts inspecting my wage slips is the day he gets his marching orders.

No reason why women should put up with controlling BS.

Has the op said he was "inspecting" his wife's slip? This has an unwarranted sinister tone. The op is concerned for his wife's situation and is looking for advice.

Senna

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nope. But the day Mr O'Bumble starts inspecting my wage slips is the day he gets his marching orders.

No reason why women should put up with controlling BS.

You're stretching this, OP is asking about his wife, which is a partnership in most households. No need to jump to conclusions about the OP based purely on your own feelings on the topic, which obviously are strong, but have nothing to do with the OPs questions.

jimmycrackcorm

Mrs OBumble wrote:

Its her job. He has no right to see her employee handbook or records. The company will not discuss them with him.

She will have a copy of her contract at home. Are you really suggesting she should get a safe to keep it locked up in in case he might read it?

Mrs OBumble

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

She will have a copy of her contract at home. Are you really suggesting she should get a safe to keep it locked up in in case he might read it?

Well he apparently hadn't thought to read it before starting this thread. Which suggests to me he doesn't have access to it.

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event

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

No reason why women should put up with controlling BS.

You go girlfriend *snaps fingers*

jimmycrackcorm

Mrs OBumble wrote:

Well he apparently hadn't thought to read it before starting this thread. Which suggests to me he doesn't have access to it.

I would ask questions on boards using the phone in my hand before I'd go around the house looking for where I put my own contract, knowing I do have a contract at home.

Not helpful!

Hallowed

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It's none of your business.

If your wife has a problem with how her employer is administering her employent contract, she needs to research it herself.

Your attitude stinks

PCX

Mrs Obumble has made a massive leap and somehow imagined a senario of a controlling husband interfering in his wife's affairs against her will. There is simply not enough information provided by the OP to support this leap.

Another senario might be that the OP's wife came home from work and spoke to her husband asking for support and advice on the situation and he, being a nice supportive individual, offered to do some research and provide her with information that will assist her in discussions with her employers.

I would regularly ask my wife for advice and help as I know she knows more about certain things than me. I also appreciate being able to talk through a situation and get a second perspective. I wouldn’t feel controlled by her if she looked something up for me or asked advice on my behalf as she would be doing that to help me out.

soo35

I would consider her very lucky considering I have never had one sick day ever paid for by any employer I've had. That would be the reason I go to work sick every time and spread my germs around!