Engineer's quote look ok ?

Barr

Hi All



I have got a quote for €3,300 ex VAT for an engineer.


Does this look reasonable for the work ? Is there anything else he would need to do ?

We are in the process of building a double story extension to the side of the house.

Thanks Barr




From his list :




CONSULTING CIVIL AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS

Structural Engineering and PSDP Fee Proposal



1. Drawings and Structural design for extension:
Foundations, steelwork/ lintels, roof design and layout drawings, calculations and specification

(4 number drawings required: foundation layout, steelwork/lintels, sections/details androof drawing)


2. Construction drawings

3. Site meetings/inspections to enable issue of Opinion of Compliance:
We estimate that visits will be required at the following stages:
a. Initial survey
b. Foundation formation
c. Lintels/steelwork
d. Roof structure
e. Completion

4. Submit commencement notice to Building Control Authority based on Opt Out of
Statutory Certification
As this work is not exempted development, a commencement notice is required.
Gather necessary information including statutory forms and submit commencement
notice online. Provide opinion on Compliance with Planning Permission and Building
Regulations

5. Acting as Project Supervisor Design Process (PSDP):
Since 1/8/13 Safety, Health and Welfare at Work (Construction) Regulations 2013 require
that, in domestic projects above a certain level of manpower and time requirements, the
Clients shall appoint a PSDP. We are competent to carry out this role.

Metric Tensor

In my opinion it seems reasonable for the service(s) listed above and even better that they have given you a list of what is included in that price.

(Edit 2: ignore my second paragraph - I now see that construction drawings are included)

Edit to add: Point Number 5 is written in a manner that shows an understanding of the PSDP requirements for domestic projects that many professionals don't have.

Metric Tensor

Have you selected a builder? If not who is handling the tender process?

If you want to tender the project do different builders it would be well worth paying your Engineer or another professional to guide you through the process if he provides this service.

stampydmonkey

Just note for item 5 Psdp, it is not only time and man power requirements, particular risks also need to be taken into account as to whether Psdp is required or not.

Skatedude

I paid 3200 last year my my build, so seems ok

BryanF

So that's part A of the building regulations covered

Is your arch / arch tech covering part B to part M ?

Barr

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Have you selected a builder? If not who is handling the tender process?

If you want to tender the project do different builders it would be well worth paying your Engineer or another professional to guide you through the process if he provides this service.

It was one of the builders quoting that put me in touch with him.

This particular builder was saying they offer a reduced rate if I go with them.

This was my first quote for an engineer so I had no point of reference if their fee was in the ball park.

Barr

BryanF wrote: »

So that's part A of the building regulations covered

Is your arch / arch tech covering part B to part M ?

Hi Brian , afraid I am not following what this is ?

Our architect who done the drawings said he wouldn't be involved in the building side of things.

Metric Tensor

Barr wrote: »

This particular builder was saying they offer a reduced rate if I go with them.

Warning sirens and alarm bells ringing here!!!!

Ireland is a small country so it's quite common for builders to get used to the requirements of certain professionals they meet regularly. For example - there are plenty of builders I have worked with over the years who know what things I'm a stickler for so when they start a new job they know this in advance and it makes the process easier for everyone ..... HOWEVER ...... I have never heard a builder offering a discount based on the client employing an engineer they recommend. It would make me very uncomfortable.

Barr

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Warning sirens and alarm bells ringing here!!!!

Ireland is a small country so it's quite common for builders to get used to the requirements of certain professionals they meet regularly. For example - there are plenty of builders I have worked with over the years who know what things I'm a stickler for so when they start a new job they know this in advance and it makes the process easier for everyone ..... HOWEVER ...... I have never heard a builder offering a discount based on the client employing an engineer they recommend. It would make me very uncomfortable.

Sorry that was meant to read, a reduced rate for this particular engineer , builder said he works with him a lot so they came up with this fee structure.

Builder said it doesn't matter to him which engineer we pick.

The only reason he suggested this engineer is they have completed plenty of projects with him on board.

Metric Tensor

It still strikes me of a cosiness of which I'd be a little wary. At a minimum I'd try to talk to previous clients of both the engineer and the builder to ask about the service they got.

I say this despite the fact that I have been recommended for jobs previously by contractors and I haven't let that cloud my judgement - so take from that what you may!

Barr

What is the VAT rate for an engineer ? I assume as a private individual there is no way I can claim this back.

Metric Tensor

23%

Gumbo

Barr wrote: »

Hi Brian , afraid I am not following what this is ?

Our architect who done the drawings said he wouldn't be involved in the building side of things.

Part B first safety
Part c moisture
Part d
Part e
All the way to M

The engineer is covering Part A (Structure). Building Regulations.

ustari

It can also point to a good business relationship and good quality work that each party are happy with.

If you are happy with references etc I wouldn't let it put me off, not like the builder is saying you must go with him.

Barr

kceire wrote: »

Part B first safety
Part c moisture
Part d
Part e
All the way to M

The engineer is covering Part A (Structure). Building Regulations.

First time coming across this ,I'll have to say that to the builder.

I have a headache already and haven't even started :pac:

Barr

ustari wrote: »

It can also point to a good business relationship and good quality work that each party are happy with.

If you are happy with references etc I wouldn't let it put me off, not like the builder is saying you must go with him.

To me it seemed like a positive , they are both confident in the others ability.

Metric Tensor

I agree with ustari in that I count myself as a good engineer and I get on quite well with good builders because we both want a quality end result.

However - there is nothing to say that a corner cutting builder and a laissez faire engineer wouldn't get on well too! Hence the need for references!

Gumbo

Barr wrote: »

First time coming across this ,I'll have to say that to the builder.

I have a headache already and haven't even started :pac:

You are responsible for compliance, not the builder. You need to engage a designer to design the works in accordance with the regulations.