PDM Stakes

gerryirl

Ive been looking around a few places at PDM stakes the last week. There seems to be a big difference in price. Is there a difference in stakes as in the treatment they get. Im looking at 5 foots at €5.95 and in another place there a euro dearer. Im looking at buying up on 300 between 6 foots and strainers. so the few pound saved could help buy the wire. I though a pdm was a pdm . I know there is one out now that a hex shape and they are very expensive but are meant to be the real deal

ganmo

You can buy from pdm directly. Give them a buzz. Afaik the hex posts are imported.
Some of the variation in price might be the different sizes that PDM do.

mayota

gerryirl wrote: »

Ive been looking around a few places at PDM stakes the last week. There seems to be a big difference in price. Is there a difference in stakes as in the treatment they get. Im looking at 5 foots at €5.95 and in another place there a euro dearer. Im looking at buying up on 300 between 6 foots and strainers. so the few pound saved could help buy the wire. I though a pdm was a pdm . I know there is one out now that a hex shape and they are very expensive but are meant to be the real deal

There's cresoted posts being sold that aren't PDM. The PDM posts will be marked with a metal label.

gerryirl

is the metal mark on every stake

Username John

mayota wrote: »

There's cresoted posts being sold that aren't PDM. The PDM posts will be marked with a metal label.

I think the strainers have a metal tag, but the ordinary stakes in the bales don't do they?

gerryirl

would be hard to tell the stakes apart so. there just black..lol

cacs

gerryirl wrote: »

Ive been looking around a few places at PDM stakes the last week. There seems to be a big difference in price. Is there a difference in stakes as in the treatment they get. Im looking at 5 foots at €5.95 and in another place there a euro dearer. Im looking at buying up on 300 between 6 foots and strainers. so the few pound saved could help buy the wire. I though a pdm was a pdm . I know there is one out now that a hex shape and they are very expensive but are meant to be the real deal

I looked this a lot last year you need to get slow growing timber kiln dried and creosote is still the best. Do get pdm telegraph poles no you don't you get creosote poles. I bought a load last year and this year from McNamara fencing in cork.

lakill Farm

in small qualities im getting PDM

5ft €7.25
6ft €8.25
7ft €13.50

all inc vat which can be refundable

Muckit

It is with concrete stakes too. Only you'd only ever claim it the once and you'd have no firewood.

Cattlepen

IMO pdm can be a bit inconsistent with the quality of the posts. You would notice when you cut the point off a post to make a H straining frame at either end of a fence line. Sometimes the creosote might be treated in an inch deep and other times it looks as though they have just been dipped in creosote with no penetration at all

gerryirl

lakill Farm wrote: »

in small qualities im getting PDM

5ft €7.25
6ft €8.25
7ft €13.50

all inc vat which can be refundable

Spent a ball of money on fencing materials yesterday.

Got the 5fts at €7 and 6 fts at €8.. all I need now is help and weather to go at it.. Turns out the cheaper stakes I was looking at were not the real dear. My belief in life is if something is too good to be true it usually it..lol

lakill Farm

gerryirl wrote: »

Spent a ball of money on fencing materials yesterday.

Got the 5fts at €7 and 6 fts at €8.. all I need now is help and weather to go at it.. Turns out the cheaper stakes I was looking at were not the real dear. My belief in life is if something is too good to be true it usually it..lol

Ill rent you my post driver

Bass Reeves

lakill Farm wrote: »

Ill rent you my post driver

Had a lad driving stakes over the week end. For six hours 280 euro including a vat reciept. Drove over 100 stakes and he hammered about 20 more that were lose or begining to decay which had a bit of length in them

lakill Farm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Had a lad driving stakes over the week end. For six hours 280 euro including a vat reciept. Drove over 100 stakes and he hammered about 20 more that were lose or begining to decay which had a bit of length in them

I was going to charge €35 incl vat per hour or 80 for the day self hire

Muckit

If you leave them 20-30' from a shed, they are also a great yoke to string a clothes line from :cool: Even wet towels and a force 10 gale wouldn't test it

Buster2000

PDM have the name but would Clipex steel not be a better solution ? anyone have any views / comparisons ?
https://www.donedeal.ie/sheep-for-sale/clipex-fencing/14571467

patsy_mccabe

Left my hand on a Tanilised (light colored ones from Diarygold) yesterday and I could feel it cack at the butt. Pushed it and it broke away. By my records, 4 years ago I put it in the ground. I was using it to divide up a field 4 ways with white fence wire. Christ they are sh1te. I have stopped using them since.

Cattlepen

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Left my hand on a Tanilised (light colored ones from Diarygold) yesterday and I could feel it cack at the butt. Pushed it and it broke away. By my records, 4 years ago I put it in the ground. I was using it to divide up a field 4 ways with white fence wire. Christ they are sh1te. I have stopped using them since.

I agree with you. Pure rubbish. Not fit to make matches out of

Buster2000

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Left my hand on a Tanilised (light colored ones from Diarygold) yesterday and I could feel it cack at the butt. Pushed it and it broke away. By my records, 4 years ago I put it in the ground. I was using it to divide up a field 4 ways with white fence wire. Christ they are sh1te. I have stopped using them since.

Theres nothing worse (fencing wise) than hearing that crack knowing you just put them there! exercise is good for you but I draw the line at repeating the same work over and over again. Stakes should last for years but the stuff isn't in them anymore ,even the newer ESB poles have been found to be of a far poorer quality than that of years ago,cores taken from them apparently have shown signs of failure which would never have occurred previously.
I will report back in 20 years on the clipex steel costly ? maybe on Day One but I wont be repeating the same work every 4/5 years .time will telli suppose.

Bass Reeves

If buying fencing posts it is important to get kiln dried posts that were slow growing. This is why a lot of wood from high yield site is not suitable for alot of work. The density of the rings on the timber is too wide. If kiln dried and if the manufacturer is treating them at the right pressure the preservetive will go in a good debt in the post. Cut a post in half and see how deep the presertive is going it will give a good idea of the quality. If post are cracking when been driven it is the strenght of the post that is the issue not the treatment. I suspect that in such cases the timber is very rapid growing. I know a small time manufacturer of posts and he will not buy any posts to treat unless they come off mountain grown timber

Never wrestle with pigs

Like most posts made now they are knocked loaded and kiln dried within a week. Pressure treated with crap preservative.

Like one lad said to me that worked on one of these plants, "it's hard to push water into a post that's all reddy full of water"

Nekarsulm

There is a lake near us that the ESB used to use to dump their timber in for a few years, after cutting and shaping, before treatment.
I was told many years ago that this was because of the mineral content of the water was a preservative.
But I was later told that this story was baloney, the real reason was that soaking burst some of the cell walls in the timber, and thus allowed it dry more thoroughly and absorb the preservative more efficiently.

patsy_mccabe

I remember in the old days lads putting hurleys in water to 'season' them.

C0N0R

Quick question lads, looking at doing a bit of boundary fencing, thinking good quality pdm strainers and posts and a single row of high tensile wire. How far apart do you guys go with the posts? It's all straight runs on level ground.

gerryirl

for electric I keep 10 yards apart and for barbed I keep it 4 yards apart. A single row Im guessing its electric your going so

Count Mondego

gerryirl wrote: »

for electric I keep 10 yards apart and for barbed I keep it 4 yards apart. A single row Im guessing its electric your going so

4 yards apart for barbed wire? That's a bit extreme in my opinion. Did ten acres last year and had them 10 yards apart with stainers every 100 yards, two strands. Once the pull is on the wire between strainers there's little enough strain on the posts. Still tight as a drum a year later. Will be doing electric in the next year and that will be 15 yards apart.

gerryirl

Count Mondego wrote: »

4 yards apart for barbed wire? That's a bit extreme in my opinion. Did ten acres last year and had them 10 yards apart with stainers every 100 yards, two strands. Once the pull is on the wire between strainers there's little enough strain on the posts. Still tight as a drum a year later. Will be doing electric in the next year and that will be 15 yards apart.

you'll not make the stake makers up..lol