help please

jockeyboard

2 weeks ago we have adopted a 9 month old rescue dog.
we were told he was house trained,
however, he is having multiple accidents.
for example, he sleeps in the kitchen and this morning i came down to a few poops and a massive wee. We had let him out approx 11pm before bed and i came down to kitchen about 7.45 this morning. I heard him moving about 6ish.
further to that he is sometimes weeing in front of me, like small wees like he does outside on lampposts to mark his scent. He has wee all over the kitchen and elsewhere. We had a dog before so is he smelling her (she has died few months ago) and needing to leave his smell?
please help! I let him out every few hours but i dont know what else to do.

tracey turnblad

My dad dog was pooing all over the house after being previously house trained so much so he was going to get rid of him. I suggested taking him to the vet... turns out he had a bug and needed medication... I wonder would this be the case?

mymo

You need to start from scratch with the house training again. Bring him out every hour and praise if he goes, like you would a puppy, use a word or phrase too as that can help "do your business" is what we use, at first you say it while he is going and praise, then as he starts to cock leg etc, then the signs like sniffing before going.
Also try getting up once during the night, no interaction except letting him out and praising him going.
He should pick it up really fast, no telling him off when he goes wrong (this can make them do it when you won't catch them), and clean up everywhere with warm water and bio washing powder to remove scent. (Not non bio, the bio stuff breaks down the enzymes in the pee that leave a scent even we can't smell)
He's been trained before so just needs reinforcement, should only take a couple of weeks.

This is assuming it's not medical, you might want to vet check just in case.

jockeyboard

tracey turnblad wrote: »

My dad dog was pooing all over the house after being previously house trained so much so he was going to get rid of him. I suggested taking him to the vet... turns out he had a bug and needed medication... I wonder would this be the case?

Thanks will bring him to get checked out

jockeyboard

This is assuming it's not medical, you might want to vet check just in case.[/quote]

Thank you. I will try all of this too! He hasnt been neutured either ao i beleive this makes it worse.

peasant

jockeyboard wrote: »

He hasnt been neutured either ao i beleive this makes it worse.

Neutering has nothing to do with house training.
A new environment with new routines is enough to upset previous training.
Just start again and be vigilant, he should soon pick it up (again)

borderlinemeath

Firstly he may well have been house trained. But not to your house! He's in a new environment so doesn't know the routine, nor do you know his. He may have walked to a glass door in order to go out to the garden in his previous home, whereas you may have a solid back door, but in any case it looks different and he can't be expected to know what to do without being shown.

Secondly, He's 9 months old. Dogs go through a regression or moody teenager phase from about this time, their owners think they forget all the training they've done, but they are basically turning from puppies into dogs and they have a new found confidence and almost a cheekiness about them that a teenager has ie - the human doesn't tell me what to do, or where to poo or pee! It's just a case of retraining using positive methods, stay outside until he pees or poos and reward him for doing so. Also, crate training is fantastic for housebreaking, do you know if his previous owner had one?

Thirdly, his marking indoors, unneutered male dogs will do this when they go somewhere that isn't their home. It's not that he needs housetraining, it's a hormonal urge to mark and any age of unneutered male will do it if they get a scent of another dog in a new house. But you need to nip it in the bud, and clean it up properly with a non bleach cleaner, something like a paste made from biological washing powder - a quick spray and rub of a mop isn't going to lift the smell of pee that is sensed by a dogs very acute nose. If you don't clean up properly and it continues, it could become behavioural.

It could be an underlying medical condition, dogs will poo or pee out of character when they aren't feeling the best. He may even have a tummy upset from getting fed new food, or new treats. As you haven't said he's anxious or upset when you leave the room I would doubt it's a separation anxiety, but it's something to consider if he is upset about being left alone. And finally, 11pm to almost 8am is a pretty long time to hold it in for a dog, you said you heard him moving at around 6am - that's probably when he can't hold it much longer, 7 hours is plenty long, it may not be your weekday time but somebody has to get up to let the dog out on weekends too!
Also what breed is he? Some breeds, like bichons, are just that bit harder to train

jockeyboard

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Firstly he may well have been house trained. But not to your house! He's in a new environment so doesn't know the routine, nor do you know his. He may have walked to a glass door in order to go out to the garden in his previous home, whereas you may have a solid back door, but in any case it looks different and he can't be expected to know what to do without being shown.
thanks for this. Doggy is jack russle cross, possibly with staffie or terrier. He seems pretty clever (to meðŸ˜႒ðŸ˜႒) so hopefully he will be easy to retrain as you say. We will be bringing him to behaviour training in a few weeks.
didnt realise those times were too long to leave him so will let him out earlier.
have just been spraying the wee/poop with a spray cleaner to remove it so will try the bio powder now instead.
he is a great little fella so hopefully we overcome this.
thanks for all the advice!

jockeyboard

Sorry ment to say we were never told about crate usage just that he was house trained vut has been having accidents and definatly marking mini wees in front of me too since he got here.

aonb

the "mini wees" can be from excitement or fear/nervousness, what is his demeanor when he does this - tail down/ears?/cowering? or excited/jumping up etc?

Point to note is that you have had the dog only two weeks - he is very young, and he is in a strange place - give him time to settle and feel secure. He wont have settled in 2 weeks yet.

When he messes in the house you should never shout/smack etc - simple clean up (with non-bio or non-ammonia cleaner) and take him outside again very often to 'teach' him where he may toilet. When he pees/poos outside lots of praise, as previous posters have said...

The new food that you are feeding him (only 2 weeks in) may be causing havoc with his tummy/bowel - new foods need to be gradually introduced. Not all foods suit all dogs. Are his stools ok?

Give him time - new people, new home, new routine, new food are all traumatic. Hes very young yet. The love/care/kindness/gentleness you show him now, will make him the dog he grows into.

What breed? Best of luck to you with your new pet

jockeyboard

aonb wrote: »

the "mini wees" can be from excitement or fear/nervousness, what is his demeanor when he does this - tail down/ears?/cowering? or excited/jumping up etc?

Point to note is that you have had the dog only two weeks - he is very young, and he is in a strange place - give him time to settle and feel secure. He wont have settled in 2 weeks yet.

When he messes in the house you should never shout/smack etc - simple clean up (with non-bio or non-ammonia cleaner) and take him outside again very often to 'teach' him where he may toilet. When he pees/poos outside lots of praise, as previous posters have said...

The new food that you are feeding him (only 2 weeks in) may be causing havoc with his tummy/bowel - new foods need to be gradually introduced. Not all foods suit all dogs. Are his stools ok?

Give him time - new people, new home, new routine, new food are all traumatic. Hes very young yet. The love/care/kindness/gentleness you show him now, will make him the dog he grows into.

What breed? Best of luck to you with your new pet

Hi i never smack etc when he wees. Will have a look at his demenour/behaviour next time now i know what need to look out for.
we had no wees yesterday!! I brough him out regularly and gave him chicken piece when he did his wee outside so hopefully this is start of the end!
He is jr cross with terrier type.

aonb

excitement = ears pricked, tail wagging, open mouth/smiling, approaching you
fear = tail down, ears flat, rear end crouching, skitting about the place, reversing or sideways away from you.

Chicken as rewards will soon show him where is the preferred place to go. Lots of vocal praise too. Its YOUR job to show him what you want/expect - I always say that accidents in the house, are the humans FAULT I still say a cross NO! when I see the animals doing something wrong (well wrong to me/my rules!), but a dog will only associate wrong doing with an action when caught in the act - not 10 mins after the fact! I know some people dont agree with that (saying a cross word) ....

One of our horses would nibble your hair when filling the feed box. I would always say NO! and she'd stop. Lately she keeps nibbling - yuk! slimy green hair! so I started pulling gently on her forelock saying NO! Trouble is now she wont let me outa the box until Ive pulled and pulled and pulled her forelock... When I say NO! to the dog doing something, she leans her head on my shoulder to get me to tug her forelock Cant win!

jockeyboard

Just a little update on our pupper....
he is 99% there now! Took on all the advice and he is either super intellligent or else it was just the move that had unsettled him!
Now do ye have any similar tips for recall off the lead...at the minute he has selective hearing....

Ms Doubtfire1

jockeyboard wrote: »

Just a little update on our pupper....
he is 99% there now! Took on all the advice and he is either super intellligent or else it was just the move that had unsettled him!
Now do ye have any similar tips for recall off the lead...at the minute he has selective hearing....

Whats his trigger? food?toys?affection? What does he love most?

jockeyboard

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Whats his trigger? food?toys?affection? What does he love most?

Is it possible that its all of those???

crustybla

With our fella we'd bring some pieces of chicken in our pockets and make sure he knew we had them. When he came when called he'd get one, but not all the time, just enough to keep him interested, so he'd come because he might get one.

He's great now and I don't usually need to bring a treat, sometimes I will just to keep it fresh in his head.

It's all about the rewarding positive behaviour, and they love rewards!

Best of luck with him.

aonb

jockeyboard wrote: »

Is it possible that its all of those???

I keep a plastic tablet bottle with my guys leashes. When I leave the house the plastic table bottle, filled with bits of treats comes with us. A rattle of that bottle gets attention IMMEDIATELY!

While he is still new/in training to your ways, is the time to get him good with recall. REALLY important! Bring him out to your garden. Let him potter, then rattle a container with kibble/biscuits/treats/whatever in it, calling him. When he comes, make a big fuss and give him the treat. Let him off again, then call/rattle/treat. They need to be high-quality (to him!) treats, and he'll associate that call/rattle with coming straight to you for his treat.


I used to use a treat called Choc Drops from company called Good Boy - probably pure and utter rubbish - they had carob (fake chocolate) in - my dogs LOVED them, but I cant find them anymore 8-(

Cushie Butterfield

aonb wrote: »

I used to use a treat called Choc Drops from company called Good Boy - probably pure and utter rubbish - they had carob (fake chocolate) in - my dogs LOVED them, but I cant find them anymore 8-(

Are these the ones?

https://petworld.ie/dog/dog-treats/good-boy-choc-drops-125gm-pouch-pack.html

heldel00

Very helpful thread.
My poor mother is driven demented with her two pups and getting them to walk on the lead. They are very trainable as she has them sitting, giving "cos", "cos eile" and staying.... but no joy on the lead.
Any advice?

aonb

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

Are these the ones?

https://petworld.ie/dog/dog-treats/good-boy-choc-drops-125gm-pouch-pack.html

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh wow, thank you!

blast, we have gotten used to not having these treats, in fact they were the equivalent of "cocaine" to my lot - the cat has Dreamies as her cocaine-like treat! - should I buy these from petworld, or just continue without them?!?! Must look up the ingredients first. But many thanks CUshie Butterfield!

heres the ingredients:
Oils and Fats, Cereals, Various Sugars, Milk and Milk Derivatives, Derivatives of Vegetable Origin, Minerals, Additives: Sensory: Flavourings (Chocolate, Cream and Vanilla)

a non-english-speaking/reading visitor once ate half a packet of these !!!

jockeyboard

aonb wrote: »

I keep a plastic tablet bottle with my guys leashes. When I leave the house the plastic table bottle, filled with bits of treats comes with us. A rattle of that bottle gets attention IMMEDIATELY!

While he is still new/in training to your ways, is the time to get him good with recall. REALLY important! Bring him out to your garden. Let him potter, then rattle a container with kibble/biscuits/treats/whatever in it, calling him. When he comes, make a big fuss and give him the treat. Let him off again, then call/rattle/treat. They need to be high-quality (to him!) treats, and he'll associate that call/rattle with coming straight to you for his treat.


I used to use a treat called Choc Drops from company called Good Boy - probably pure and utter rubbish - they had carob (fake chocolate) in - my dogs LOVED them, but I cant find them anymore 8-(

Sounds like a great idea!

jockeyboard

I have some petworld vouchers so i will spend them all on various treats!!
Looking forward to trying the bottle shake trick.

aonb

aonb wrote: »

a non-english-speaking/reading visitor once ate half a packet of these !!!

Bahahaha

Tranceypoo

aonb wrote:

I used to use a treat called Choc Drops from company called Good Boy - probably pure and utter rubbish - they had carob (fake chocolate) in - my dogs LOVED them, but I cant find them anymore 8-(

I remember those from years ago, literally the dog we had in the mid eighties used to get given them, in a red box or packet!

aonb

Deleted User wrote: »

Bahahaha

You think this is funny - Ive always home cooked for my dogs - keep their food in a pan with a lid in the fridge - heard a noise in the kitchen in the middle of the night, came up to find house guest (still a bit drunk) with a spoon and the pan of dogs dinner on the table, munching away, and the 3 dogs sitting around his feet panting

muddypaws

aonb wrote: »

I used to use a treat called Choc Drops from company called Good Boy - probably pure and utter rubbish - they had carob (fake chocolate) in - my dogs LOVED them, but I cant find them anymore 8-(

My brother once ate a whole bag at Christmas, it was a present for the family dog He was found in the press where the veggies and dog food was kept, munching away on them. He survived :pac::pac::pac::pac: