Invincible young intruders?

waynelin9742

My neighbour's children are keeping climb over the shared wall to play my trampoline, I have talked to them many time but they just keep climbing over (about 3 times a week during summer time. I took a video when they were playing trampoline. When I knock my neighbour's door, they were blaming me of having the trampoline in my own back yard and threaten me to remove it!!! How ridiculous! And they also say I shouldn't take videos about their children in my own back yard!!! I know they may not be harmful to my personal safety, but they keep throw stones, rubbish and even damaging the items I left in the shed. My own children are afraid of go to their own back yard and worry about their toys in the back yard.

I have checked the Criminal Law (Defence and the Dwelling) Act 2011 on the irishstatutebook, but it states that young child under 12 is exceptional :


6.” Section 18 of the Non-Fatal Offences against the Person Act 1997 is amended”

(a) by the substitution of the following subsection for subsection (3):

"(3) For the purposes of this section an act is "criminal" notwithstanding that the person doing the act”

(a) if charged with an offence in respect of it, would be acquitted on the ground that”

(i) he or she acted under duress,

(ii) his or her act was involuntary,

(iii) he or she was in a state of intoxication, or

(iv) he or she was insane so as not to be responsible according to law for the act,

or

(b) was a person to whom section 52 (1) of the Children Act 2001 applied.

and





So, are they sort of invincible when they doing any damage to the others? Or even their parents take no responsibility?

I called police, seems they can't do anything about this but keep it in document. So is there any kind and generous gentlemen could give me a hint about which legislation act I could use to fight against this nightmare. Appreciate if any kind of help or even an up to keep this thread on top to help anyone who is in the similar situation.

Thank you very much!

drunkmonkey

Can you make the wall higher, I'd suggest putting something on the wall/fence but I think it's illegal and your fault if they injure themselves, think it's also your problem if they hurt themselves while playing in your house.

Xcellor

Some of this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Climb-Paint-Vandal-Intruder-litre/dp/B00DJ3FS1Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489443684&sr=8-1&keywords=intruder+paint

It's non toxic but will cover their clothes in sticky horrible residue.

Seems you've tried the other approaches so maybe something that isn't harmful but will help them reach the conclusion that trespassing isn't good maybe needed.

drunkmonkey

Roadtoad

The Invincibles and the Young Irelanders have a very noble place in Irish history, so treat these young fellows with some respect.

The wall is a good idea, how long is the perimeter? Is there a grand big river along any of the edge? Can you get their mammy to pay for it?

Might also want to make sure the trampoline, and the household insurance is in good condition. After that, it's what Irish kids do, learn to enjoy the colour.

waynelin9742

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can you make the wall higher, I'd suggest putting something on the wall/fence but I think it's illegal and your fault if they injure themselves, think it's also your problem if they hurt themselves while playing in your house.

Could it be more unfair? Even for a intruder? Under which legislation act? Does that mean I could clime over the wall and get myself hurt? To blame them?

waynelin9742

Roadtoad wrote: »

The Invincibles and the Young Irelanders have a very noble place in Irish history, so treat these young fellows with some respect.

The wall is a good idea, how long is the perimeter? Is there a grand big river along any of the edge? Can you get their mammy to pay for it?

Might also want to make sure the trampoline, and the household insurance is in good condition. After that, it's what Irish kids do, learn to enjoy the colour.

I have two kids as well, seems I should teach them some kung-fu and beat them really hard!

waynelin9742

Roadtoad wrote: »

The Invincibles and the Young Irelanders have a very noble place in Irish history, so treat these young fellows with some respect.

The wall is a good idea, how long is the perimeter? Is there a grand big river along any of the edge? Can you get their mammy to pay for it?

Might also want to make sure the trampoline, and the household insurance is in good condition. After that, it's what Irish kids do, learn to enjoy the colour.

Does that mean my two young feller can do the same thing? Sounds good but the country will die if everyone do like this. Besides, their mum is blaming me that I have a trompline but not her kids!!! How #%&* she is!

ED E

Remote controlled sprinkler system. Every time they appear, flick the switch.

Victor

If the trampoline has a screen, can it be secured?

ED E wrote: »

Remote controlled sprinkler system. Every time they appear, flick the switch.

This is assault.

endacl

Victor wrote: »

This is assault.

I was assaulted by the sky last week. Who do I sue?

:rolleyes:

Victor

endacl wrote: »

I was assaulted by the sky last week. Who do I sue?

:rolleyes:

God.

con___manx1

If anything happens those kids on the trampoline I'm pretty sure you would be liable as it happend on your property.

I would explain that to the neighbours.

Mod deletion. Pls be civil

punisher5112

Plant holly bushes around perimeter or roses.

Anti climb paint is good but they will cop to that.

Extend wall height or fit a timber extension.

Get the spiked they use to stop birds(pigeons) from sitting up on buildings.


Get the device that puts out load sound that only minors can hear.

Mrs OBumble

There'sno legal solution to this. You need a pragmatic one.

The vandal paint would work but the relationship with the parents will suffer and the kids will find new ways to get at you.

Another way is every time they come over, go out and tell the kids about your friend Jesus ( or whoever your firend might be).

Peregrinus

What Mrs O'B said. Your problem is not fundamentally a legal one. You're legally entitled to keep the kids out of your property, but the question of how you can effectively do that is a practical one, not a legal one. Think along the lines of improved boundary fencing, thorny hedging, etc. Think also if there is any way you can reduce the factors which make your garden attractive, e.g. secure something rigid on top of the trampoline when not in use by your own children, fit a lock to the shed, that kind of thing.

Oink

Disclaimer : I'm not a lawyer.

Don't do anything that you could reasonably assume might injure them (glass on the wallet .) or you'll be up the creek.

Idea: If you were to put up like a bamboo fence for example, they would have to damage it to get through. Once they've caused some material damage it'll be a different conversation.

listermint

Take apart the trampoline and sell it.

Headache over. Your kids can use the garden again to play other things.

If it's causing your family such pain I'd opt to remove it

Samuel T. Cogley

We tried everything with the local (good-natured to be fair) tykes. Eventually we locked the gate and used anti-climb paint, a few warning signs for a week or so and presto, problem solved. I stress I live in an area where people generally have control over their spawn so YMMV. I know if I went over to the home of even the 'little rebels' on the estate they'd be told (in front of me at least) to stay out of my garden.

I'd either get used to them playing on it - check you household policy for insurance, try the paint and a lock or unfortunately get rid of it.

andekwarhola

Cardboard cutout of Jimmy Saville beside the trampoline might do the trick.

Johnson_76

Buy a big dog

waynelin9742

Thank you all, but I was looking for some legal advice, not go around the bush, I mean we should have some legal weapon to fight against them. My neighbour received a caution from Garda, hope it will work. And also I will try to call some trainee solicitor for legal advice, hope get some fair news. I mean we are the victims, why we should spend our own money to stop the crime but not the criminal!!!!
I will stand up and fight against them and considering to initiate a petition. If any one willing of change the situation, please join me!

Samuel T. Cogley

waynelin9742 wrote: »

Thank you all, but I was looking for some legal advice, not go around the bush, I mean we should have some legal weapon to fight against them. My neighbour received a caution from Garda, hope it will work. And also I will try to call some trainee solicitor for legal advice, hope get some fair news. I mean we are the victims, why we should spend our own money to stop the crime but not the criminal!!!!
I will stand up and fight against them and considering to initiate a petition. If any one willing of change the situation, please join me!

While I'm the first to suggest that parents should control their kids. I'm not really seeing the issue here. They're being little bolloxes but playing on the trampoline is hardly the crime of the decade and you've been given so things to try.

No one is going to spend any time on making laws regarding this, that's been done already and I'd wager the majority of people are happy with the legal position. You need a non-legal solution such as sprinklers.

waynelin9742

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

While I'm the first to suggest that parents should control their kids. I'm not really seeing the issue here. They're being little bolloxes but playing on the trampoline is hardly the crime of the decade and you've been given so things to try.

No one is going to spend any time on making laws regarding this, that's been done already and I'd wager the majority of people are happy with the legal position. You need a non-legal solution such as sprinklers.

They not only play trampoline but throw small objects which may causing damage to my property and kids. BTW, they have clime over the wall and damage my plants before the trampoline was there.
The problem is their parents believes the trampoline is causing the trouble but not their kids!! Why should let their kids play in my garden but not my own?
Also if let those kids go wild, the social would go extremely unstable, I know many cases about young killer, they all start form small things like this. And what if your family get hurt by some kids like that, what would you do? To build a castle and lock your family in?

waynelin9742

listermint wrote: »

Take apart the trampoline and sell it.

Headache over. Your kids can use the garden again to play other things.

If it's causing your family such pain I'd opt to remove it

BTW, the climbing over happened before the trampoline was there. Would you take apart your house if some kids keep throw eggs on your wall? no offence but there need to be a effective solution that everyone could.

PistolsAtDawn

Reveal your concealed sidearm

Squiggle

A row of Pyracantha bushes might be effective as the thorns are very sharp and strong.

Pat Mustard

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