Hrse Bet Question - Opinion

jester1980

Hey All

Went into Ladbrokers yesterday, had a tip for a horse, new it was Knockraha something.

Anyway just did a 10 double on a dog and the horse. The horse was called Knockraha Pylon.

Now this is where the problem is, I wrote down 1.55 Thurles Knockraha Boss 15/8 odds checked by bookie.

Both won.

Not having a clue there was another horse in next race called knockraha boss which id got names jumbled.

Bascially bookies said loser and to ring customer services, they said 9/10 times they'd pay out and down to discretion of manager, went back in and the manager basically lost it a bit, slagging me off saying I was pulling a sneaky one etc, ive never been in that shop before, I was only collecting money there from another shop on a btts accum.

Should I just accept tough luck? More annoyed about the way the manager went on than the winnings,

Kimbot

Well if you mixed the horse up then its hardly the bookies fault?

jester1980

yeah understand just asking, but the first bookie was paying me as had time right and they checked the odds, just second part of name wrong.

but manager came back and said no, customer services lad said yeah but manager had last say.

just a question for you all like

Francie Barrett

If you wrote "1:55 Knockraha Boss 15/8" then they should pay you out. The fact you put down the odds as being 15/8 clearly indicates that you wanted to back the shorter priced Knockraha horse in the 1:55.

jester1980

Yeah that's what customer services fella said, and they ticked the odds when I asked to double check they were ok

Johner

Seems a bit harsh, if you hadn't wrote a price down then fair enough but since you had it seems harsh.

diomed

You could have been on a treble
Knockraha Pylon / Knockraha Boss / Unnamed dog

fuzzydunlop85

diomed wrote: »

You could have been on a treble
Knockraha Pylon / Knockraha Boss / Unnamed dog

He wrote down the time of the race and the price, manager is being a complete dick, should defo be paid.

Imhof Tank

Not saying this is what you were up to OP but your scenario is one of the oldest tricks in the book well known to all managers

Make the slip ambiguous, sit back wait and see if either of the possible alternatives wins, then argue what appears to be your perfectly reasonable case.

mdwexford

The time and the price being right means this bet should be paid.

I'd take it further. Call Ladbrokes and ask to speak to someone with some authority.

fuzzydunlop85

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Not saying this is what you were up to OP but your scenario is one of the oldest tricks in the book well known to all managers

Make the slip ambiguous, sit back wait and see if either of the possible alternatives wins, then argue what appears to be your perfectly reasonable case.

It's not ambiguous if he wrote the time of the race and the price.

Gregk961

From a bookies perspective if they dont know you it would be normal to be dubious, you would usually get an email in the morning warning you about 2 similar named horses as people do try this a lot.

I wouldnt give up on it though, At the very least you should get half your stake(split between your winning selection and the losing one) paid out as a winner.

fuzzydunlop85

This should 100 per cent be paid. I'd definitely take it further. How much was the pay out ?

Gregk961

mdwexford wrote: »

The time and the price being right means this bet should be paid.

Not neccesarily. The name of the selection is what matters most, you only really use the time and meeting if the punter uses the number instead of name.

jant2

I filled out a bet slip with four selections intending to place an accumulator but mistakenly did not write accumulator on the slip and just wrote the stake at the bottom. Would you expect this to be settled as an accumulator or could this be settle as four singles with quarter of the total stake?

redzerdrog

100% your own fault and should not be paid. Easy to argue the case if either of the knockorha horses won.

arayess

redzerdrog wrote: »

100% your own fault and should not be paid. Easy to argue the case if either of the knockorha horses won.

how so ?
as he wrote the time of the race it would clearly indicate the horse he was betting

Peintre Celebre

arayess wrote: »

how so ?
as he wrote the time of the race it would clearly indicate the horse he was betting

And the name of a different horse who happened to be running in the next

Francie Barrett

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

arayess wrote: »

how so ?
as he wrote the time of the race it would clearly indicate the horse he was betting

And the name of a different horse who happened to be running in the next

He also wrote 15/8 next to it and not 7/2.

If the results had been switched, I bet they still wouldn't have paid out.

Peintre Celebre

Francie Barrett wrote: »

He also wrote 15/8 next to it and not 7/2.

If the results had been switched, I bet they still wouldn't have paid out.

All I was doing was answering the other poster who couldn't comprehend how it was the poster's fault.

I've no real opinion tbh doesn't bother me at the end of the day he wrote the name of another horse but I can see both sides

Imhof Tank

arayess wrote: »

how so ?
as he wrote the time of the race it would clearly indicate the horse he was betting

Hello? "clearly indicate the horse he was betting" ......... except he wrote the name of a different horse

Imhof Tank

Francie Barrett wrote: »

He also wrote 15/8 next to it and not 7/2.

If the results had been switched, I bet they still wouldn't have paid out.

id say they would - might have only paid the 15/8 through rather than SP

Seriously though what kind of self respecting punter would ever do what the OP did?

Fair enough the OP says he hasnt a clue about racing but really all those supporting his case are just arguing for paddy aka mug justice. Mug justice that has to be balanced by hitting the serious punter.

DANNY2014

Doesn't lads dockets usually have a spot for time and meeting of race if such details were filled in and when it's scanned in shouldn't the printed betslip have all this on it... So if it's in print ink and not written on the printed betslip they should have to honour it...

Gringo180

Ladcrooks at there usual tricks, is there a worse bookies out there they are filth of the highest order. I thought they were going out of business last time i heard, sooner the better imo.

Op you 100% should be paid out.

Imhof Tank

Gringo180 wrote: »

Ladcrooks at there usual tricks, is there a worse bookies out there they are filth of the highest order. I thought they were going out of business last time i heard, sooner the better imo.

Op you 100% should be paid out.

Careful what you wish for.

do you want a tote monopoly?

BumperD

I have sympathy for you but don't think you'll get paid op, you wrote the wrong name.

I got dinged for a large sum about 7 years ago, slightly different but similar screw up and I have only myself to blame. Did ew double. First won. The second was declared in two races that Saturday as the weather was iffy frost or water logging cannot remember. When I was putting on my bet, even though the horse was declared a non runner in one race and I KNEW as I heard it on the speaker, I got distracted and still wrote the wrong race/time. I cheered him home, went to collect but they had him marked as non runner. I held onto my docket, spoke to them on phone, explained he was announced a non runner while I was in shop over tannoy, time stamp proved it so I couldn't back a non runner And i even had the correct price just wrote out time and meeting wrong as I got distracted but no, I got paid as an ew single and 8% of what I should have. I even explained that if I wrote just the name of the horse on docket I would have got paid i.e. no time or meeting and I was being punished. They agreed if I did not write time and meeting I would have been paid. A costly mistake which I never made again.

Ever since, I have repaid that bookmaker in kind by saving my best bets for them. I don't want to name them but it begins with p and ends with r. Hate them ever since . They restricted my online account a couple of years later so I console myself with that. Fucxers.

Moscow is magnificent

BumperD wrote: »

I have sympathy for you but don't think you'll get paid op, you wrote the wrong name.

I got dinged for a large sum about 7 years ago, slightly different but similar screw up and I have only myself to blame. Did ew double. First won. The second was declared in two races that Saturday as the weather was iffy frost or water logging cannot remember. When I was putting on my bet, even though the horse was declared a non runner in one race and I KNEW as I heard it on the speaker, I got distracted and still wrote the wrong race/time. I cheered him home, went to collect but they had him marked as non runner. I held onto my docket, spoke to them on phone, explained he was announced a non runner while I was in shop over tannoy, time stamp proved it so I couldn't back a non runner And i even had the correct price just wrote out time and meeting wrong as I got distracted but no, I got paid as an ew single and 8% of what I should have. I even explained that if I wrote just the name of the horse on docket I would have got paid i.e. no time or meeting and I was being punished. They agreed if I did not write time and meeting I would have been paid. A costly mistake which I never made again.

Ever since, I have repaid that bookmaker in kind by saving my best bets for them. I don't want to name them but it begins with p and ends with r. Hate them ever since . They restricted my online account a couple of years later so I console myself with that. Fucxers.

Long time follower, first time poster. Bumper I can understand why the bookmaker I'm post didn't pay the full bet returns out especially if it was a large amount. Now I'm clearly not saying it's what your intetention but in your scenario a person could hear exactly what you hear over the tannoy and think they have a free shot at a double. If horse wins you can claim non runner and if it loses you just continue on with the non runner. Having worked in a bookies for a couple of summers you'd be surprised at how many people try and pull a fast one and they have to protect their staff against this.(again not saying it was your intention) On the OP it does seem a little harsh has checked price and sign bet but again in this case if 155 has lost he could claim on 225 if that was the horse that had won. It's harsh but name would always stand.

BumperD

Fair point Moscow I never thought of it from that perspective until now. Which shows it was never my intention. But I accept i I was to blame. I'm remember being really pissed at the time as I write clearly as I had to cue behind others who write a number or scribble on a docket and it's barely legible. Anyway, I accept I was to blame.

Moscow is magnificent

BumperD wrote: »

Fair point Moscow I never thought of it from that perspective until now. Which shows it was never my intention. But I accept i I was to blame. I'm remember being really pissed at the time as I write clearly as I had to cue behind others who write a number or scribble on a docket and it's barely legible. Anyway, I accept I was to blame.

Ya it's sometimes worse the more ya know because you would nearly take it that it should go on the race he actually ran but as I say they have to protect their staff somehow!Like in that scenario you could even write it out a single on the abandoned race and if you knew the bookies would pay out you just have a free dart at it. In your scenario(and the OP's) a lot would depend on how much payout was and if you were a regular and if the manager knew you he would have discretion to a certain amount. Anything bigger would go area manager and they aren't too keen on paying out especially if its seen to set a precedent.

BumperD

You speak sense for a man from Moscow

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