Offered job but want to decline haven't signed contract?

MichaelDunne85

Got offered a job today after interview. Only problem is the contract and some of the things I can't agree with in it. I haven't signed it yet as it was sent by email so am wondering will my JSA be stopped for 9 weeks if I decline the job before I sign the contract? It starts Monday (training week) but I'm not happy that I wasn't told stuff in the interview like possibly leaving the state of having to change over to different destinations instead of where I'm situated.

What will happen now with Turas nuaa? I can't commit to those things in the contract, but I'm worried I will lose my JSA for 9 weeks. I'm not refusing to work they just didn't explain all this to me in the interview or beforehand on the phone. Their are other jobs I applied for that I'm waiting to hear back from as well and would prefer one of them.

What do I do?

Btw I'm not refusing to work, this just doesn't seem like the job I had to apply for.

Pelvis

Are those the only reasons you don't want the job? Those are fairly standard requirements.

Sign the contract, take the job. In the future IF they ask you to move locations, you can quit.

MichaelDunne85

Pelvis wrote: »

Are those the only reasons you don't want the job? Those are fairly standard requirements.

Sign the contract, take the job. In the future IF they ask you to move locations, you can quit.

I wasn't told this beforehand and I was informed it would be regional to my area. I can't commit to travelling that far from home with my family.

MichaelDunne85

MichaelDunne85 wrote: »

I wasn't told this beforehand and I was informed it would be regional to my area. I can't commit to travelling that far from home with my family.

I wasn't told this before I was offered the job, I was told it would be residential to my area, now the contract says it may be required and is a part of it if needs be basically.

Pelvis

No one is going to go through every minor detail of the contract with you at the interview stage. If this is a deal breaker then prepare to stay on the dole for a long time, because most companies will have some form of clause in the contract regarding the changing of locations. If that should ever come up then you can choose to quit.

fj4400

MichaelDunne85 wrote:

What will happen now with Turas nuaa? I can't commit to those things in the contract, but I'm worried I will lose my JSA for 9 weeks. I'm not refusing to work they just didn't explain all this to me in the interview or beforehand on the phone. Their are other jobs I applied for that I'm waiting to hear back from as well and would prefer one of them.

Take the job... get your experience and pay... as above if they ask you to move ... then quit ... it's a no brainer unless you have another job lined up ... it's also easier to get another job while in a job

MichaelDunne85

Pelvis wrote: »

No one is going to go through every minor detail of the contract with you at the interview stage. If this is a deal breaker then prepare to stay on the dole for a long time, because most companies will have some form of clause in the contract regarding the changing of locations. If that should ever come up then you can choose to quit.

I don't want to quit a job I want to know I'm signing up for a job that has specific understanding at the interview level. I want a job but I also don't have to agree to something that goes against what I initially had to apply for that was told to me would be in my area. I can't afford to go to different locations in the country, my family needs me near by.

MichaelDunne85

fj4400 wrote: »

Take the job... get your experience and pay... as above if they ask you to move ... then quit ... it's a no brainer unless you have another job lined up ... it's also easier to get another job while in a job

I want to respectfully decline the offer. I have to sign the contract by tomorrow and send it off tomorrow but I want to decline the job offer now. Their are other people who had an interview for this job so they may be able to commit to this more than me. As I can't commit to a job I don't agree with the contract with.

December2012

Can you phone them to clarify the location and travel issue?

December2012

Can you phone them to clarify the location and travel issue?

MichaelDunne85

December2012 wrote: »

Can you phone them to clarify the location and travel issue?

I'm contacting them in the morning about the travel issue. I can't commit to it if it is a requirement.

AlmightyCushion

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. It's pretty uncommon for an employer to even ask an employee to move to a different location. It's incredibly rare for an employer to force someone to change location. Where I work there is a clause in our contracts that state we may be required to travel for work. The only people I know in the company who *had* to travel for work are senior management. Everyone else has been asked, some did, some didn't and it was no big deal either way. There are even some people in our company who can't travel because they're from outside the EU and their visa wouldn't allow them to work in another EU country.

Just take the job, it's more than likely not going to be an issue. If for some reason it does become an issue it'll probably be a year minimum down the line. By then you'll have experience to get a different job.

Wanderer78

ring to clarify and explain your situation before signing the contract. best of luck

Mrs OBumble

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It's pretty uncommon for an employer to even ask an employee to move to a different location. It's incredibly rare for an employer to force someone to change location.

I disagree: if they employer has the possibility of having to move to another country in the contract, then it's likely that it will happen.

OP, a question for you: is the contract saying you may have to travel occasionally, eg up to 25% of the time? Is there some reason why you cannot leave the country ever, eg you would be arrested when you return? If so, that's reason to decline.

If the reason you cannot do a job with occasional travel is childcare or elder-care (eg you are a sole parent), then you should go back to the employer at this stage and tell them that if they need you to travel occasionally, they will have to cover the cost of employing caregivers ... usually this will make them say "no, you don't need to travel" or to withdraw the job-offer.

But if the contact says you may need to permanently re-locate, then I think that IS reason to decline. I don't see that as a minor thing at all. And I don't think that Welfare would either.

Another question for you: Do Welfare or Tuis Nua know that you have been offered the job, or that you applied for it? If they do, then you may well have to accept - but you can of course quit again very quickly if you are offered one of the other jobs you have been offered.

jimmycrackcorm

Op, it's a pretty much routine clause about locations. The reason is that if the company had to move office for example to get more space or lease cheaper offices that they would be able to without having a workers tribunal.

In the eventuality of it happening you can simply give notice and resign.

witchgirl26

OP I would say that the actual need to move locations is a fairly standard clause put in as if it's not in there & it does arise, it's nightmarish for the company. I had it in my contract when I did summer work for a company at 17. It's been in all my contracts since and in 10 years I've never been asked to up sticks and move.

In terms of it just being travel to different locations, I'd go back to them to clarify. You don't have to accept a contract as it stands when they send it to you - you can ask questions, clarify things and potentially get things changed so before turning it down outright, go back to them. It's a conversation and could give you either piece of mind to accept or else solidify that the role isn't right for you.

Glenster

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Op, it's a pretty much routine clause about locations. The reason is that if the company had to move office for example to get more space or lease cheaper offices that they would be able to without having a workers tribunal.

In the eventuality of it happening you can simply give notice and resign.

No one knows what could happen because we dont know what the job is.

If its as a carpenter with a construction company they could definitely say we're sending you to bristol for six months.

If its as a office worker, or something adminny there is close to zero chance of you being moved to a new country.

Also it breaks my heart when people on job seekers turn down a job.