February EV registrations

n97 mini

Supply problems with the Ioniq, or it doesn't have inertia yet? Only 29 registered vs 79 Leafs (54 new).

Or people prefer the Leaf?

Gumbo

n97 mini wrote: »

Supply problems with the Ioniq, or it doesn't have inertia yet? Only 29 registered vs 79 Leafs (54 new).

Or people prefer the Leaf?

Leaf more accessible and available at present I'd imagine.

n97 mini

Probably.

I wonder do people realise the shortage of CCS FCPs vs Chademo FCPs and does it affect their decision. I travel to the northwest occasionally which is very easy to do in the Leaf (FCPs at Lucan, Ballinalack, Longford, Carrick-on-Shannon) but awkward in the Ioniq (last FCP is on the tolled M4 at Enfield).

ei9go

n97 mini wrote: »

Probably.

I wonder do people realise the shortage of CCS FCPs vs Chademo FCPs and does it affect their decision. I travel to the northwest occasionally which is very easy to do in the Leaf (FCPs at Lucan, Ballinalack, Longford, Carrick-on-Shannon) but awkward in the Ioniq (last FCP is on the tolled M4 at Enfield).

I have to imagine it does.

Look at the South / South East.

Cork Waterford Gorey and nothing on the M9.

Alu

Supply I'd say (unless you're looking for a white Ioniq). Same if not longer delays in UK and US sales starting this month.

The dealers I asked said that they were geared up to sell more hybrids Ioniq but it turned out that most demand is for the EV.

n97 mini

ei9go wrote: »

I have to imagine it does.

Look at the South / South East.

Cork Waterford Gorey and nothing on the M9.

The couple of people I've met at FCPs with brand new EVs didn't seem to have anything at all explained to them about charging. They're just told there are loads around the country, but they don't seem to be getting told they're not all the same.

NIMAN

Wouldn't it have been a better idea for all EVs to use the same type of charging?

Complicating the issue when sales are poor isn't a good idea. People are easily turned off (no pun intended).

unkel

n97 mini wrote: »

I wonder do people realise the shortage of CCS FCPs vs Chademo FCPs and does it affect their decision. I travel to the northwest occasionally which is very easy to do in the Leaf (FCPs at Lucan, Ballinalack, Longford, Carrick-on-Shannon) but awkward in the Ioniq

Indeed. One can only go from Dublin to Donegal via Castelbellingham and Laghey (173km between the 2) in an Ioniq (presuming you only want fast DC CCS charging). The rest of the country isn't much of an issue.

Like yourself I wonder how many CCS EV buyers are fully aware of this?

Alu

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. One can only go from Dublin to Donegal via Castelbellingham and Laghey (173km between the 2) in an Ioniq (presuming you only want fast DC CCS charging). The rest of the country isn't much of an issue.

Like yourself I wonder how many CCS EV buyers are fully aware of this?

Yeah, its a route I drive a few times a year so the lack of CCS options does concern me - it would be a long day if the fast charger was down for whatever reason.. As much as I'd like an EV now I can't help thinking I'd be better waiting another year for the 300Km holy grail (of course then there'll be the next big thing to look forward to!).

The M3/N3 with a stop in Navan would also work - about 170km from there to Laghey. There's also a fast charger planned for Cavan - to be installed once they identify a site (I wonder how long that process takes?).

unkel

Never copped that option. That actually suits me well for the Bundoran area where I would have destination charging too. Still a ridiculously vast area of tens of thousands of square km without a single CCS charger circled by Navan, Castlebellingham, Laghey, Castlebar, Galway, Mullingar and Dublin.

Ioniq should do Galway from my home though without charging, if I take it handy (200km). Or Wexford (150km) if I drive fast. Or Belfast (180km) or Limerick (200km)

Cork, even Donegal and Kerry should all be reasonable to get to with a single charge on the way

If you look at it like that, it's not really that bad at all! Why would anyone in the greater Dublin area need a range of 300km unless they go to Cork / Kerry / Donegal an awful lot?

Alu

unkel wrote: »

If you look at it like that, it's not really that bad at all! Why would anyone in the greater Dublin area need a range of 300km unless they go to Cork / Kerry / Donegal an awful lot?

Its pretty good alright, 200km is more than enough for most of my driving needs too. The problem is that a new Ioniq would really stretch my budget without a good trade in deal (which I'm struggling to get). That and the ~6 month wait means I may as well hold out for 2018. More options, should they materialise, can only mean better deals to be had - new or used.

Better to have the range than want it, like the Leaf 6.6 Kw charger V the 3.3 kw, better to have it than want it. It will make the car more desirable at resale too.

The Ioniq at decent speeds would be a stretch to reach 200 Kms on one charge in winter based on my experience, on back roads probably not much of an issue. If anyone is expecting the Ioniq to easily reach 200 Km one one charge then I think they'll be disappointed.

The key difference is fast charging and compared to a 24 Kwh Leaf it's amazing. I charged up for 10 mins in Kilkenny this morning and at 50% battery was charging at 29 Kw and the battery was around 10 Deg C. The Ioniq would be charging at 65 Kw a whole 36 Kw more , the 30 Kwh leaf would charge at 45 Kw at this point a whole 20 Kw less.

unkel

Alu wrote: »

Its pretty good alright, 200km is more than enough for most of my driving needs too. The problem is that a new Ioniq would really stretch my budget without a good trade in deal (which I'm struggling to get). That and the ~6 month wait means I may as well hold out for 2018. More options, should they materialise, can only mean better deals to be had - new or used.

Yeah the 6 month wait is brutal (is it really that bad though?). I wouldn't have bought the Ioniq if that was the case. The Ioniq just now trading in a worthless banger and getting €4k for it was a good deal, I doubt that will come back. On the other hand, sit tight and there will be cars with better range for reasonable money within a reasonable time frame. That's the good thing about progress :cool:

Read the other day that the expectation is there will be more change in the car industry in the next 15 years than there has been in the past 100 years!

zilog_jones

NIMAN wrote: »

Wouldn't it have been a better idea for all EVs to use the same type of charging?

Type 2 for AC and CCS for DC are the real European standards, but the problem is that cars like the Leaf existed before these really became standards.

I suspect any new models sold in Europe will be all Type 2 and/or CCS. Ioniq and Prius PHV (2nd gen) are examples of this happening.

n97 mini

It's like the Betamax vs VHS war. I suspect Chademo will be the Betamax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war

unkel

Philips Video 2000 (Tesla Supercharger?) was superior to Betamax and vastly so to VHS.

VHS was technically the worst of the 3 options but it had the most available porn, so it won. Will CCS have a lot of porn too?

cros13

CCS is more blu-ray vs HD-DVD... It's the technically superior standard... it remains to be seen what will be the video streaming in that analogy.

CCS sounds like a winner in the long term once the networks get updated. Due to large number of ChaDeMo equipped cars (Japanese, Korean, Tesla) it's good that it was also included as an official European standard. Not sure if all the planned 150 kW networks in the continent will also include it but lets hope so. Even if as 50 kW version.

Also the future DC chargers should allow usage of both standards simultaneously with  total power shared between the ports (like simultaneous 50 kW ChaDeMo and 100 kW CCS or 150 CCS only if the other connector is not in use).