Motor tax question

Senecio

My motor tax is up at the end of this month, already received the renewal notice. Im leaving the country on the 23rd and my car will be packed in a container to take with me.

Is there anything I need to do with my tax? Do I need to declare it off the road? Once it arrives at and is registered at our new destination I'll start the process of claiming back the VRT but do I need to do anything with motor tax before I go?

Thanks

Del2005

No.

Have you done the pre export NCT inspection for the refund?

Senecio

Del2005 wrote: »

No.

Have you done the pre export NCT inspection for the refund?

No, thank you for raising it. Car is less than 4yrs old. Due for first NCT in May. I'll look into what I need to do for that.

bazz26

Whether your car is due it's NCT or not is of no relevance to claiming a portion of VRT back if your taking it abroad permanently.

More information here:
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/export-repayment-scheme/faqs.html

Senecio

Cheers, reservation made. I have all of the documents ready as requested on the booking form. Glad I ask here.

CiniO

Senecio wrote: »

Cheers, reservation made. I have all of the documents ready as requested on the booking form. Glad I ask here.

Inspection takes 15 minutes, and only really what is checked is mileage and vin number.
Then you need to take car out of the country within 30 days of the inspection.
If you don't you will have to do another inspection, or your vrt refund will be denied.

Also make sure to keep proof of removing vehicle off the country, as you will need that for vrt refund, except in case if you manage to register the car in new country within 30 days.

BTW- where are you taking it?

Senecio

Cheers for the advice.

Removing it within 30days won't be a problem. Just got an appointment for 14th March and we're leaving 23rd. The car will be picked up ~22nd and is booked to sail on the 25th. I won't be able to register it in the new country within 30days however as it will be on a boat for 7-9 weeks (New Zealand). I'll have the bill of lading from the shipping company so all should be good.

Appreciate's everyone advice

CiniO

Senecio wrote: »

Cheers for the advice.

Removing it within 30days won't be a problem. Just got an appointment for 14th March and we're leaving 23rd. The car will be picked up ~22nd and is booked to sail on the 25th. I won't be able to register it in the new country within 30days however as it will be on a boat for 7-9 weeks (New Zealand). I'll have the bill of lading from the shipping company so all should be good.

Appreciate's everyone advice

Perfect.
Shipping details is all you'll need then - as it's exported outside EU, they won't ask for proof of registration in destination country.

Senecio

Thanks. Does that mean I can start the process of claiming the VRT back while the car is still in transit.

People keep asking me why I'm taking a car from here to NZ. It just makes financial sense. I have a relatively high spec car and I wouldn't get a fraction of its value here for it. With the VRT rebate and the difference in price for an equivalent car in NZ I estimate I'm better off by 7-9K EUR. I had a quote for a 20ft container full of household belongings and it was only an extra 1200 EUR to increase it to a 40ft to take the car.

Just want to make sure I have everything in order. Thanks again for the advice.

uck51js9zml2yt

You need to hand the log book to the Vehicle licencing authority of the country you're exporting to. They will replace it for a local one and send it back to Shannon who will then mark the vehicle as exported.
If you want to can do a SORD online before your disc expires. It just stops you getting remainders.

Senecio

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

You need to hand the log book to the Vehicle licencing authority of the country you're exporting to. They will replace it for a local one and send it back to Shannon who will then mark the vehicle as exported.
If you want to can do a SORD online before your disc expires. It just stops you getting remainders.

Thanks, I have everything sorted at the other end. I've sent a scan of my logbook to the NZTA along with all the documents they requested to confirm it meets local safety standards. They suggest that I carry the log book with me instead of shipping it with the car. I'll look into the SORD once I hand the car over to the shipping the company.

CiniO

Senecio wrote: »

Thanks, I have everything sorted at the other end. I've sent a scan of my logbook to the NZTA along with all the documents they requested to confirm it meets local safety standards. They suggest that I carry the log book with me instead of shipping it with the car. I'll look into the SORD once I hand the car over to the shipping the company.

I'll say no point in SORD (Statutory off road declaration) in your case.
Indeed it will stop motortax reminders now, but longest you can declare car off the road is 12 months, so you'll get reminders after those 12 months when SORD expires.
Face that car will be exported won't matter, as Shannon office doesn't bother unregistering cars, so all exported car are still on the system.

CiniO

Senecio wrote: »

Thanks. Does that mean I can start the process of claiming the VRT back while the car is still in transit.

I don't think so...

From link above it says:

What documents are required when a vehicle is exported by a Private Individual?
pdfVRTER2 (PDF, 1.07MB), which must be completed in respect of a vehicle removed/exported by a private individual.
Documentary proof of removal from the State within 30 days of the NCTS Examination.
Documentary proof of Vehicle Registration Number as assigned in another EU Member State.
A signed copy of the NCTS Vehicle Export Examination Declaration.
A copy of the NCTS Export Examination Receipt and,
If exporting the vehicle to a Non-EU Destination the following is also required:

Documentary proof of removal from the EU i.e. the Export SAD and the Bill of Lading.
Documentary proof of having landed outside the EU such as the Import SAD, or other documentation endorsed by the customs authority in the non-EU country to the satisfaction of The Revenue Commissioners.
Please pay particular attention to the documentary requirements, full details of which are listed in the notes section of the Claim form. Incomplete claim forms or claims, which are not accompanied by the required documentary proofs, including claims from applicants that are not the named person on the NDVF file at the time of examination, will be returned.

While documentary proof of registration in another EU member state with new registration number don't apply to you, but you'll need to provide those:
Documentary proof of removal from the EU i.e. the Export SAD and the Bill of Lading.
Documentary proof of having landed outside the EU such as the Import SAD, or other documentation endorsed by the customs authority in the non-EU country to the satisfaction of The Revenue Commissioners.

So I assume you won't get that until car has landed in New Zealand.

You don't need to be physically in Ireland though.
You can post all documents my mail from New Zealand to:
Central Repayments Office,
M-TEK 11 Building,
Armagh Road,
Monaghan.
Ireland.

They'll assess the documents, and issue refund to your IBAN bank account.

Senecio

Perfect, thank you.

uck51js9zml2yt

CiniO wrote: »

I'll say no point in SORD (Statutory off road declaration) in your case.
Indeed it will stop motortax reminders now, but longest you can declare car off the road is 12 months, so you'll get reminders after those 12 months when SORD expires.
Face that car will be exported won't matter, as Shannon office doesn't bother unregistering cars, so all exported car are still on the system.

Another "accurate " response from Cinio:D

Now for the real news......When Shannon receive the log book from the destination country they mark the car as "exported" on NVDF.

Doing a SORD just saves the reminders. It needs to be done before the tax disc expires and takes a whole....2 minutes.

Good advice for you to carry the original VRC with you. Stuff goes "missing" en route. Just leave a copy with the car.

CiniO

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

Another "accurate " response from Cinio:D

Now for the real news......When Shannon receive the log book from the destination country they mark the car as "exported" on NVDF.

Doing a SORD just saves the reminders. It needs to be done before the tax disc expires and takes a whole....2 minutes.

Have you got any proof they do?

I can't deny or confirm they mark it as exported, as I don't have access to their database.

But I had few vehicles where I either informed them in writing about selling car for export, or exported the car myself with VRT refund and registered abroad, and all those cars are still available as always in all services, motortax and NCT reminders keep coming, etc...
So I don't believe in their "marking as exported" stuff.

uck51js9zml2yt

CiniO wrote: »

Have you got any proof they do?

I can't deny or confirm they mark it as exported, as I don't have access to their database.

But I had few vehicles where I either informed them in writing about selling car for export, or exported the car myself with VRT refund and registered abroad, and all those cars are still available as always in all services, motortax and NCT reminders keep coming, etc...
So I don't believe in their "marking as exported" stuff.

Its down to the new transport authority to return the VRC to shannon.
Some do it, some do it in batches which could be over a period of months.
Once a VRC is received back by Shannon its marked as exported.

Shannon office doesn't bother unregistering cars, so all exported car are still on the system.

You may want to correct your comment for the sake of accuracy

CiniO

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

Its down to the new transport authority to return the VRC to shannon.
Some do it, some do it in batches which could be over a period of months.
Once a VRC is received back by Shannon its marked as exported.


You may want to correct your comment for the sake of accuracy

But you said they only "mark it as exported".
They don't remove it from database, so my comment is correct.


And as I said - I don't believe marking it as exported, makes any difference at all. It might be just a tick in their database, not affecting anything.

uck51js9zml2yt

CiniO wrote: »

But you said they only "mark it as exported".
They don't remove it from database, so my comment is correct.


And as I said - I don't believe marking it as exported, makes any difference at all. It might be just a tick in their database, not affecting anything.

it removes it from needing tax. Its not deleted as it may be reimported at a future date and a record is required.

CiniO

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

it removes it from needing tax. Its not deleted as it may be reimported at a future date and a record is required.

So how does that work?
When vehicle is marked as exported in their database, can you still log in to motortax.ie and tax the vehicle?
Can you book NCT for that vehicle?

Or motortax.ie system won't allow you to pay tax and NCT website won't allow you to get a booking?

uck51js9zml2yt

CiniO wrote: »

So how does that work?
When vehicle is marked as exported in their database, can you still log in to motortax.ie and tax the vehicle?
Can you book NCT for that vehicle?

Or motortax.ie system won't allow you to pay tax and NCT website won't allow you to get a booking?

why would a person want to tax a car in ireland when both they and the car are in another country?

CiniO

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

why would a person want to tax a car in ireland when both they and the car are in another country?

It doesn't matter why.

What matters is, even if they really do mark vehicles as exported in their database (which I still doubt), then it has no effect on absolutely anything.

I've sold a car for export to foreign buyer 2.5 years ago, informed shannon in writing, and this car can still be taxed or booked for NCT now (I checked it).

I've exported a car 1.5 year ago, registered it abroad, and vehicle can still be taxed or or booked for NCT.

I've exported another car 3 months ago, claimed VRT export refund, registered it abroad, but vehicle can still be taxed or booked for NCT as of today.

So as you see, they either not mark it as exported, or even if they do, it doesn't affect anything.

I could bet I could apply for VRC replacement if I stated original one was lost for any of those cars, and I would get it, but I'm not going to try it as it would be fraud.

Senecio

Just an update.

Had my VRT export inspection this morning. Bit of messing around but all went fine, except...

My specific car specification doesn't exist in the database so they could not provide a STAT code there. I have to wait for revenue to post me out the STAT code by post along with the OMSP valuation.

Anyone been in this situation before? How long did it take for revenue to send the documents. I'm leaving this address next Tuesday and leaving the country on Thursday. Will probably have to set up a An Post mail forward but last time we did that we received not one forwarded letter after two months so I don't trust it.

CiniO

Senecio wrote: »

Just an update.

Had my VRT export inspection this morning. Bit of messing around but all went fine, except...

My specific car specification doesn't exist in the database so they could not provide a STAT code there. I have to wait for revenue to post me out the STAT code by post along with the OMSP valuation.

Anyone been in this situation before? How long did it take for revenue to send the documents. I'm leaving this address next Tuesday and leaving the country on Thursday. Will probably have to set up a An Post mail forward but last time we did that we received not one forwarded letter after two months so I don't trust it.

Yes, me - exactly same scenario in December last year.

I received a letter from Revenue with STAT code and valuation within 4 working days of vrt export inspection.

Valuation was exact the same as very similar model on VRT calcualtor.

Senecio

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, me - exactly same scenario in December last year.

I received a letter from Revenue with STAT code and valuation within 4 working days of vrt export inspection.

Valuation was exact the same as very similar model on VRT calcualtor.

Cheers. Hopefully have it by the end of the week or early next week. There are two similar cars in the database but mine is missing. Mine is the highest spec Elegance (2013 Skoda Yeti 140HP DSG 4x4). The only elegance spec level they had on file was the 170HP engine.

TBH, I'd be happy with the valuation of the lower spec models as I reckon the quoted OMSP is higher than I could get for it and still gives me a chunk of change in the refund.

uck51js9zml2yt

CiniO wrote: »

It doesn't matter why.

What matters is, even if they really do mark vehicles as exported in their database (which I still doubt), then it has no effect on absolutely anything.

I've sold a car for export to foreign buyer 2.5 years ago, informed shannon in writing, and this car can still be taxed or booked for NCT now (I checked it).

I've exported a car 1.5 year ago, registered it abroad, and vehicle can still be taxed or or booked for NCT.

I've exported another car 3 months ago, claimed VRT export refund, registered it abroad, but vehicle can still be taxed or booked for NCT as of today.

So as you see, they either not mark it as exported, or even if they do, it doesn't affect anything.

I could bet I could apply for VRC replacement if I stated original one was lost for any of those cars, and I would get it, but I'm not going to try it as it would be fraud.

There is one major difference between you and me...I worked in Motor Tax and had access to the National Vehicle Database....You did neither:rolleyes:

CiniO

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

There is one major difference between you and me...I worked in Motor Tax and had access to the National Vehicle Database....You did neither:rolleyes:

Well I must admit I never worked in motortax office.

But does the fact that you did, make anything I said in quote above not true?

pheelay

Amira Delicious Radar wrote: »

why would a person want to tax a car in ireland when both they and the car are in another country?

All those exported cars left on the system would be perfect options for registration/VIN cloning :eek:

Senecio

We'll I received the letter yesterday. To say I'm pleasantly surprised is an understatement. It's difficult to find a similar specced car for sale but they've quoted an OMSP at least 5-7k EUR higher than anything similar.

Not sure how they've come up with that figure but happy days. Dropped the car up to the depot this afternoon. It will sail on Saturday and will take 6-9 weeks before arriving in NZ.

CiniO

Fair play. All the best with having car shipped.

You might need to wait a bit though for VRT refund.
I did export inspection early December, send all documents for refund early February, and still didn't receive a penny.

testicles

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CiniO

testicles wrote: »

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Went through process of taxing on motortax website, and booking for NCT on NCT website.
On both I went as far as to last step requiring payment/card details.

I didn't enter card details or paid, but I'm assuming if I did pay, both would went through.

Senecio

Just popping back in to close this in case anyone stumbles on this thread and finds it helpful.

- Car exported 25th March
- Arrived in NZ 28th June. No issues with NZ compliancing as it was all pre-arranged
- I submitted all of my paperwork to Shannon 2nd August. Had a few things on.
- Received my refund today

So two months from submitting my paperwork to refund isn't too bad.

Thanks for everyone's help.