Rule Change

Prop Joe

The AFL are considering rule changes to make the game more attractive as are rugby and golf but i consider a tiny rule change that could dramatically change the way football is played & easily implement all levels from Junior C to the All Ireland Final.

"For the ball to travel over the half way line it must be kicked"

It would automatically ensure there were 3/4 attackers in the other half at all times.

More 50/50 balls,More tactics,More turnovers,Increase the value of a long kickout.

Thoughts?

Fr Tod Umptious

Prop Joe wrote: »

The AFL are considering rule changes to make the game more attractive as are rugby and golf but i consider a tiny rule change that could dramatically change the way football is played & easily implement all levels from Junior C to the All Ireland Final.

"For the ball to travel over the half way line it must be kicked"

It would automatically ensure there were 3/4 attackers in the other half at all times.

More 50/50 balls,More tactics,More turnovers,Increase the value of a long kickout.

Thoughts?

Interesting

Be difficult enough to implement though seeing as there is no half way line.

Jayop

It's actually the first time someone has made one of these threads and I've not automatically thought it was a crappy idea.

Is this your own idea Joe? It's really interesting actually when you think about it. I know the idea is to stop someone hand passing the ball the whole way up the field so you have at least one kick pass in the most congested part of the pitch and it would also stop teams that are recycling the ball between the 45's taking it all the way back and forward over and over again.

So paint a line, say you can't run the ball or hand pass the ball over the line. You get breaking ball around the middle you are then going to be loath to turn back with it, the same with a free or sideline ball, no point kicking it back the way now.

Hmmmm.

Also, what would the punishment be for breaking the rule? A hop ball or a free to the other team?

Would be interesting to see a test game with it.

nice_guy80

no backpass to the goalie during play
ball must be kicked out past the 45
if you deliberately try to block a quick free, its a free shot up on the 21 (every team seems to be doing this now. Kerry got away with it all game v Roscommon. It was relentless)

Stoner

nice_guy80 wrote:

no backpass to the goalie during play ball must be kicked out past the 45 if you deliberately try to block a quick free, its a free shot up on the 21 (every team seems to be doing this now. Kerry got away with it all game v Roscommon. It was relentless)

All good except I like the passing to the keeper it develops plenty of nice interchanges between the backline and the keeper, it often looks like good stuff

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

All good except I like the passing to the keeper it develops plenty of nice interchanges between the backline and the keeper, it often looks like good stuff

And who wants to stop the age old tradition of a looper of a keeper charging up the field soloing the ball, laying it off and trying desperately to get a pass back from one of his team mates in the wrong half of the field.

'Tis a thing of beauty.

Bonniedog

What do people think of the way the mark is working?

I was sceptical but only really watched for it on Saturday and it was barely used but seems to be a positive.

Jayop

A slight increase of high fielding in some games and no down side. Keep it.

Dirty Dingus McGee

The problem with that rule is that it doesn't stop the ball being only kicked 5 yards across the line and therefore basically be the same as a hand pass.

This is the GAA so we need to remember how negative some of the managers are and how they would interpret it.Some of them would interpret it negatively out of spite as well.

Prop Joe

Jayop wrote: »

It's actually the first time someone has made one of these threads and I've not automatically thought it was a crappy idea.

Is this your own idea Joe? It's really interesting actually when you think about it. I know the idea is to stop someone hand passing the ball the whole way up the field so you have at least one kick pass in the most congested part of the pitch and it would also stop teams that are recycling the ball between the 45's taking it all the way back and forward over and over again.

So paint a line, say you can't run the ball or hand pass the ball over the line. You get breaking ball around the middle you are then going to be loath to turn back with it, the same with a free or sideline ball, no point kicking it back the way now.

Hmmmm.

Also, what would the punishment be for breaking the rule? A hop ball or a free to the other team?

Would be interesting to see a test game with it.

Think it would be very easy to bring in,The punishment would have to be an indirect free kick to the opposition from the line.

I would imagine that after a few weeks players would just be programmed to kick the ball as they got close to the half way mark.

Players & Coaches are extremely quick to adapt to rule changes,Look how seamless the "Mark" rule change was.

Prop Joe

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The problem with that rule is that it doesn't stop the ball being only kicked 5 yards across the line and therefore basically be the same as a hand pass.

True but a kickpass will never be as accurate and weighted as much as a handpass,Teams would push up around that area knowing well the chance of a turnover has significantly increased,Which in return would make a longer kick to the inside line far more beneficial.

OldMrBrennan83

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Rasputin11

Alan Brogan put forward a rule that once you enter the opponents half that you can't pass back into your own, similar to Basketball, would help with some of the blatant time wasting/keep ball that is commonplace,

Jayop

I don't think holding the ball when you have a lead is an illegitimate tactic.

TCDStudent1

Bonniedog wrote: »

What do people think of the way the mark is working?

I was sceptical but only really watched for it on Saturday and it was barely used but seems to be a positive.

Seems to be a lot more prevalent in division 2 than division 1 from the matches I have seen so far.

TCDStudent1

nice_guy80 wrote: »

no backpass to the goalie during play
ball must be kicked out past the 45
if you deliberately try to block a quick free, its a free shot up on the 21 (every team seems to be doing this now. Kerry got away with it all game v Roscommon. It was relentless)

The problem with this is that sometimes players just blast the ball against a player when he doesnt have the time to get away. Sometimes, the ref falls for it. If that was to happen, a 21 yard free seems harsh.

Jayop

It's going to take time to adapt to it. You can't just pull 6,6" high fielding maestro's from your arse pocket.

Stoner

Jayop wrote:

I don't think holding the ball when you have a lead is an illegitimate tactic.

I'd a very narrow understanding of the word illegitimate until today Jayop, thank you.

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

I'd a very narrow understanding of the word illegitimate until today Jayop, thank you.

lol, look I'm not talking about doing it all through the game, but in the last few minutes if you have a narrow lead then retaining the ball is in my opinion perfectly legitimate. Mayo put Tyrone out of the AI last year by doing it so it's not like it's not cost my own county dearly. It's incumbent on the team chasing the lead to take the risk, push out and try to win the ball back, should the team in the lead be good enough then they should be able to pick them off.

What's wrong with that?

Prop Joe

Any suggestions as to why it wouldnt work?

Jayop

Prop Joe wrote: »

Any suggestions as to why it wouldnt work?

1) No halfway line - Easily sorted
2) What would the punishment be?
3) Refs are incompetent, could they be trusted to keep up with this?
4) The GAA don't like logical ideas.
5) Joe Brolly probably

theoneeyedman

Prop Joe wrote: »

Any suggestions as to why it wouldnt work?

Not really, apart from the conservative nature of d'socciation and the naysayers. Why wouldn't it work.
Also think forcing kickouts to cross the 45 would force more aerial contests and make the game more enjoyable to watch. Chipping the ball back into the corner to a corner back is a legitimate tactic, but it's not much fun to watch tbh.

Was at the Kerry Roscommon game, and was obviously a tactic from Kerry go stop quick frees. IIRC the AFL have a rule like this where a free is moved into scoring range in these circumstances. Makes sense to me.

Prop Joe

Jayop wrote: »

1) No halfway line - Easily sorted
2) What would the punishment be?
3) Refs are incompetent, could they be trusted to keep up with this?
4) The GAA don't like logical ideas.
5) Joe Brolly probably

1) Draw a line
2) Indirect free kick from said line
3) I would imagine after a short period the ball will always be kicked as someone might get away with carrying it over the line a yard or two but the ref would never miss someone just continuing to sprint down the pitch
4) Correct
5) He would probably love this idea

Jayop

Prop Joe wrote: »

1) Draw a line
2) Indirect free kick from said line
3) I would imagine after a short period the ball will always be kicked as someone might get away with carrying it over the line a yard or two but the ref would never miss someone just continuing to sprint down the pitch
4) Correct
5) He would probably love this idea

Yeah those were the 5 biggest reasons why it wouldn't be worth a try. Not great were they!

OldMrBrennan83

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drdidlittle

Simpler......if you receive the ball from a hand pass you must kick it. Same idea as you can't bounce the ball twice. Free kick from the spot.

Dirty Dingus McGee

drdidlittle wrote: »

Simpler......if you receive the ball from a hand pass you must kick it. Same idea as you can't bounce the ball twice. Free kick from the spot.

Very easy to defend against and could potentially make the game a farcical game with no skill as you'll have endless aimless hoofing of the ball.

drdidlittle

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote:

Very easy to defend against and could potentially make the game a farcical game with no skill as you'll have endless aimless hoofing of the ball.

Good point but i feel handpasses are killing the game

Jayop

Some intricate handpassing is almost always involved in creating goal chances.

OldMrBrennan83

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Jayop

Yeah, the problem isn't handpassing per-say, it's lateral handpassing.