Toilet training two puppies at once?

zipee

Well some of you may remember my thread on my two cats dying aged 19yrs and followed very quickly through grief my 14 yr old.....left cat carry cage in vets that day ..... in my head NEVER having a pet again!

24 hrs of turning to pet someone and nothing there.... I realised we need pets in this house!

Kids have asked for a dog for 2 yrs now. I wouldn't get cos unfair to my old cat who had no experience of s dog.

So two puppies age 8 & 10 weeks, 2 girls separate litters obviously & I haven't had a dog in over 20 yrs!

How to toilet train is issue? They seeing on paper or pad about 50% of time.... poos can be anywhere but never on paper.

I'm home almost full time for next four days.... I'm hearing or reading all sorts

- put outside every time they have accident ( but weather not great)
- lift onto puppy pad while going in wrong spot (very hard to catch a Euro sized wee & make mat)
- don't use paper or mats it confuses them
- only bring them to one spot in garden to empty ( fierce young for leads???)

I am using crate...

Also worried about them learning their names with two learning st same time??

Oh and one crate or two long term? In one right now.

Last vaccines in 3-4 weeks. Have a great back garden.

Any advice very welcome!
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tk123

Did you buy them from two different breeders or rescue them?! You have your work cut out for you with two puppies and will have a lot of work to do to make sure they don't develop littermate syndrome (it doesn't matter that they're from different litters) you could also run into problems later having two females together.

Anyways for toilet training you need to lose the pads and bring them out every 30mins-hour until you're able to spot the signs that they're about to go so basically after they've woken up, after playing after eating. During the night people have different methods - some get up say every 3 hours and some like me had the pup in a crate close by and listened out for them to cry to be brought out during the night.

zipee

Bought from 2 separate litters. I have them in same crate now but intend having separate crates when they get little bigger.

I suppose my problem with the putting them outside every 30-60 mins is two pronged. One a day like today where it didn't stop raining hardly at all and they'd be getting wet repeatedly and so little? And two is I am here 80% ofvtime but have to take kids to activities which can mean I'm gone up to two hours at a time? They are usually in crate if I go out.

How long if I sit on them every hour do you think it might take?

Thanks

muddypaws

Just to reiterate what TK said, it doesn't matter if they came from two separate litters, they are being brought up together, so litter mate syndrome is something you need to be very aware of.

zipee

Point taken.... have been giving them separate time with me.... leave one with kids and other with me in kitchen.... can't socialise them til vaccines in effect so another 4/5 weeks but will do asap...

Having said that we have many times since I was a child had two puppies at once....with no ill effect.... I do worry over rivalry.... younger one will be dominant one.... can see it already & she has a temper.... if losing playfight she gets very cross!

Will read more on sibling syndrome

Knine

Another problem with 2 females is fighting. I have just broken up a fight 20 minutes ago between 2 bitches that have lived together for almost 6 years with never a cross word.

I personally would never allow 2 puppies to go to the same home without a decent age gap.

Good luck with your new puppies & can we have a photo?

zipee

Don't start me on the photos!!! I have them videoed & photo to death!! Soo cute!

zipee

Don't start me on the photos!!! I have them videoed & photo to death!! Soo cute!

zipee

Snuggling

sadie1502

I've two females from the same litter they are nearing ten now got them as pups when they were dumped. Never experienced this litter mate syndrome. I've never got them neutered so maybe that has something to do with it I don't know. Not all dogs experience it or not every case is the same. My two are happy content and are a team. So cute together no figthing they know what buttons to push with each other but never had fights EVER. Don't fret relax and just keep an eye I suppose.

sadie1502

zipee wrote: »

Don't start me on the photos!!! I have them videoed & photo to death!! Soo cute!

Awwwww so cute!!!!!!!! I want one

zipee

Buddies

sadie1502

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zipee

Thanks for replies.... I'll be happy if I get them toilet trained 😳 I can deal with the rest ... if it arises.... we did have 4 females at one stage when I was kid... a mom a daughter & 2 different breeds but friends.... after about 8 yrs we had to regime two suddenly.... so things happen....I'm grateful for information and will try to prevent

Autosport

Adorable:) Best of luck with those cuties

aonb

Sibling rivalry is not always a foregone conclusion, hopefully you will have no problems with these two either!

Patience and in/out/in/out all day long to get the toilet training sorted - its a chore and a pain, but patience and perseverance will sort it. Always a cross NO! and nothing more when theres an accident in the house - your fault not the puppies because you didnt get them out on time!!! excessive petting and a treat when they pee/poo outside. You will recognise soon the symptoms of needing a pee/poo - circling, tail down, sniffing in a corner etc. but always take them out after sleeping/meals/drinks/every hour.

Use the right cleaner to wipe up any accidents, or they will use the same spot if you use a bio/ammonia based cleaner.

Get the kids onboard! When I had puppies in the house, there was an award system in the house. One child allocated one puppy, that child was 'responsible' for preventing accidents - a star for successful pee/poo trip outside, remove a star for pee/poo in the house on the childs watch - then treats all round (regardless of stars!) after a week of no accidents!! Good to get the children/dogs bonding, and give the children a feeling of responsibility - oh and they clean up any accidents too!! (There was once a mutiny in this house because "special needs" dog wasnt getting the toilet training thing as quickly as the other two - poor little chap, he got there in the end but no one wanted him for toilet-training-duties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Didnt someone on here recently have a clever idea for their dogs touching a bell or something at the door when they wanted to go out!?!? Good little trick to teach the puppies - stimulation for them too!

tk123

aonb wrote: »

Didnt someone on here recently have a clever idea for their dogs touching a bell or something at the door when they wanted to go out!?!? Good little trick to teach the puppies - stimulation for them too!

Yeah that was me! We touched Lucy's nose to the bell before opening the door and she caught on quickly enough.

Paddy Cow

I had three puppies the same age and toilet training was the worst. Whenever I brought them outside they thought it was play time. When there was an accident I never knew which one had done it and I couldn't give out to all of them or it would confuse them.

By 4 months they still weren't consistent so I bought pull up nappies in Lidl. I cut a hole for the tail and put the nappies on. Then I put a babygro over them to stop them chewing the nappy. They didn't like the nappies and wouldn't go potty in them. The first day I started taking them outside every two hours and put the nappy/babygro on as soon as we got back inside. The next day it was every 3 hours and the next every 4. I kept one on them at night time. It only took 3 days and they got it.

Everyone laughs when I tell them and yours might be a bit young but it was the only thing that worked for me.

zipee

Toilet training going ok....putting them outside every hour or so.... one of them struggling with idea of outdoor poos , few accidents but sitting room doesn't reek 😀

New question.... advice on cutting hair around eyes??? Previous owners had done it before I got them & it needs reading on one of them....

Every time I try it wriggles even with a second person.... how do groomers get them used to it.... she sees scissors coming & jumps.... terrified of taking her eye out but they will need it done every 2 weeks or so.....

Thanks for all replies and advice😊

Paddy Cow

Let her see the scissors flat in the palm of your hand so she can smell and lick it. Then hold the scissors by the blade and run the handles over her face until she's comfortable with it. Then you can try cutting.

My dogs don't like grooming either and are vary of the scissors. I got a dog trimming kit in argos that had a little trimmer for the face. It's much safer to use because even if she moves, it won't cut or hurt her.

Argos Trimmer set

zipee

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Let her see the scissors flat in the palm of your hand so she can smell and lick it. Then hold the scissors by the blade and run the handles over her face until she's comfortable with it. Then you can try cutting.

My dogs don't like grooming either and are vary of the scissors. I got a dog trimming kit in argos that had a little trimmer for the face. It's much safer to use because even if she moves, it won't cut or hurt her.

Argos Trimmer set

Will get it! Thanks! I'm just not comfy with scissors so close to eyes in my care!!

Will try doing what you suggest though.... play motor til they comfy with it hopefully 😳

SillyMangoX

I'd recommend getting into a groomer now (when all vaccines are done) even just for a trim around the eyes, just for a puppy introduction. They're at a good age to start as they are a breed that will need to be regularly groomed. Better to get em in and used to it asap! They are very cute by the way, best of luck with them!

Knine

Ah don't go rubbing handles or scissors around their eyes. Instead get them used to being brushed, combed, their feet handled etc. It will make life a lot easier for everybody if their coats are kept knot free. It might also be an idea to learn how to look after their coats yourself otherwise there is going to be high grooming costs for 2.

If money is not an issue then find yourself a good groomer. There is an awful lot of cowboys setting themselves up as groomers. Equally there are some great qualified groomers who do a fantastic job.

Paddy Cow

Knine wrote: »

Ah don't go rubbing handles or scissors around their eyes. Instead get them used to being brushed, combed, their feet handled etc. It will make life a lot easier for everybody if their coats are kept knot free. It might also be an idea to learn how to look after their coats yourself otherwise there is going to be high grooming costs for 2.

If money is not an issue then find yourself a good groomer. There is an awful lot of cowboys setting themselves up as groomers. Equally there are some great qualified groomers who do a fantastic job.

A groomer advised me to do that and it really helped to calm my doggies. Don't knock it till you've tried it :P

zipee

Quick question.... which is only occurring to me after finding out my cats of 19 & 14 years were eating crap whiskas.... here on these boards!!

So what puppy food? Wet or dry? High meat or not??? Using burns puppy dry kibble right now.... but gave a can of hills diet sensitive yesterday due to vet & dodgy tummy... anyway they savaged it!! Much more than kibble.... so what would you feed them?

Huge thanks for all advice!!

kylith

I used baby nail scissors on Tegan. The blunt tip meant it was harder to poke her with them, and the curve meant that I could have them curving away from her eye which, again, meant that it was safer.

Paddy Cow

zipee wrote: »

Quick question.... which is only occurring to me after finding out my cats of 19 & 14 years were eating crap whiskas.... here on these boards!!

So what puppy food? Wet or dry? High meat or not??? Using burns puppy dry kibble right now.... but gave a can of hills diet sensitive yesterday due to vet & dodgy tummy... anyway they savaged it!! Much more than kibble.... so what would you feed them?

Huge thanks for all advice!!

I used Royal Canin puppy food. You can get it in pet shops. It's expensive but probably the best. The woman who sold me the puppies was already feeding them that and the vet recommended it as well. I changed to a cheaper brand when they were about a year old. I find the staff in Pet World are brilliant for explaining the pros and cons of various foods available.

Bunnyslippers

Royal canin is pretty expensive rubbish, you're paying for the packaging and advertising! I used james well beloved or Call of the Wild for the last pup and he thrived on it, look at the ingredients list on the back - you're looking for high meat content at the top of the list and ideally no grains or soya as fillers - dogs can't digest them. I think both those brands do a wet diet, also there are various home cooked style wet foods or you can get frozen raw type diets - but with raw you need to do your research to make sure the diet is balanced. A good place to get foods is Zooplus as that tends to be the cheapest place and the do other good brands like orjen, if you do a good bit of googling, and I'm sure someone who is more up on foods on the boards will be able to suggest some others too. And as with any diet introduce slowly over a week to avoid upset tums!:)