Standing room only......

Jawgap

Pakistan airline admits taking extra passengers in aisle

Pakistan International Airlines is investigating how seven extra passengers were allowed to stand in the aisles on a flight to Saudi Arabia, a spokesman told the BBC.

The passengers were allowed on the 20 January flight to Medina despite every seat being filled, the airline said.

Details of the flight have only emerged now because of extensive investigations by Dawn newspaper.

Staff had issued additional handwritten boarding passes, the paper reported.

that's a pretty long flight to take without a seat!!!

windowspotter

Jawgap wrote: »

Pakistan airline admits taking extra passengers in aisle



that's a pretty long flight to take without a seat!!!

Surely that's a licence looser right there. Definitely for the pilot if not the whole airline

Locker10a

This is why not all airlines are equal, especially when it comes to safety standards

Cloudio9

windowspotter wrote: »

Surely that's a licence looser right there. Definitely for the pilot if not the whole airline

It's the national flag carrier so can't see that happening.

Tabnabs

I hear it was worse on a connecting flight

Cloudio9

Locker10a wrote: »

This is why not all airlines are equal, especially when it comes to safety standards

Was flying on a Latam carrier last year on a brand new 737 which was reassuring.

However, when landing nobody bothered to check window blinds were raised, which in itself is not dangerous but got me thinking if they're not fussed about stuff like that, then what else are they not bothered doing.

Jawgap

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Was flying on a Latam carrier last year on a brand new 737 which was reassuring.

However, when landing nobody bothered to check window blinds were raised, which in itself is not dangerous but got me thinking if they're not fussed about stuff like that, then what else are they not bothered doing.

To quote Lord King when he was chairman of BA....
"Do coffee stains on the trays mean the engines are not being serviced"

bkehoe

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Was flying on a Latam carrier last year on a brand new 737 which was reassuring.

However, when landing nobody bothered to check window blinds were raised, which in itself is not dangerous but got me thinking if they're not fussed about stuff like that, then what else are they not bothered doing.

Window blinds being raised isn't a safety regulation in many countries including the US.

...And Justice

Jawgap wrote: »

Pakistan airline admits taking extra passengers in aisle



that's a pretty long flight to take without a seat!!!

It's also illegal I think, didn't Boeing refer to some regulations when Michael thought about it, all be it in standing formation rather than sitting. I'm not surprised, that area of the world is not known for safety in any walk of life.

Jawgap

...And Justice wrote: »

It's also illegal I think, didn't Boeing refer to some regulations when Michael thought about it, all be it in standing formation rather than sitting. I'm not surprised, that area of the world is not known for safety in any walk of life.

I'd say Micko was just hopping a ball that time to get free publicity, and of course it worked

Cloudio9

Jawgap wrote: »

To quote Lord King when he was chairman of BA....
"Do coffee stains on the trays mean the engines are not being serviced"

Your analogy didn't make sense. The window blinds aren't raised for cosmetic reasons. Although per the poster above it's not a requirement outside Europe.

john boye

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Your analogy didn't make sense. The window blinds aren't raised for cosmetic reasons. Although per the poster above it's not a requirement outside Europe.

I think He may have been referring to your apparent belief that a new plane is safer than an older one. I could be wrong though!

Locker10a

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Jawgap wrote: »

To quote Lord King when he was chairman of BA....
"Do coffee stains on the trays mean the engines are not being serviced"

Your analogy didn't make sense. The window blinds aren't raised for cosmetic reasons. Although per the poster above it's not a requirement outside Europe.

Correct, window blinds are requested to be opened for visual awareness reasons for both passengers and crew, passengers through visually observing something may be able to relay important information to crew members if there is a physical abnormality externally, it's also considered to be important in evacuations that crew and passengers have an awareness of the outdoor conditions surrounding the aircraft, as well as being accustomed to the natural light( same reason for the dimming of cabin lights) again for the purpose of quickling ascertaining surroundings and safest route to exit etc.
It's also true that I think American Airlines don't request window blinds to be raised by passengers, they actively close window blinds during turn around at hot destinations to prevent the cabin heating up from the hot sun outside, this is done to save coats on air conditioning the cabin.
Upon boarding passengers may open then blinds if they wish however they are not required to. They consider this safe once their flight attendants have a viewing window at their assigned door so all crew member can have access to an external window and thus have an awareness to outside conditions.

Jawgap

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Your analogy didn't make sense. The window blinds aren't raised for cosmetic reasons. Although per the poster above it's not a requirement outside Europe.

King made the point earn they were driving quality improvements and it makes sense in that his point was simple.......if the punter sees we can't do something simple like check the window blinds are up or the trays are clean, then why should they trust that the more complicated and safety critical actions, such as engine maintenance, have been done competently?

Or to put it another way, little things count when it comes to getting the customer to trust you.