Burgman 400 opinions (and/or your opinion on 2017model)...?

rat_race

I'm thinking of a Burgman 400, for commuting 100km day, 70% on motorway, 30% city. Your opinions on these scooters?

I would usually commute on my Tiger 800 if I'm doing those sorts of distances, but it's a bit too big when you hit the city. I use my Ninja 250 for inner city stuff when I can, which I love, compared to the Tiger 800. So much more nimble and less hassle in terms of parking, filtering, risk, etc.

Space, ease-of-ride, practicality & nimbleless are important to me, hence why I'm particularly interested in Burgman 400s: seem nimble-ish (never ridden one), and has 62 litres under-seat storage (don't think anything can beat that). Also, I like the idea of no gears, twist-and-go (am I getting old?)...

The 2017 Burgman model loses 20 litres of storage, but looks much sportier, with some other minor improvements (bigger front wheel, for example), etc. Not sure about being an early adopter on a brand new model though...

macplaxton

rat_race wrote: »

Also, I like the idea of no gears, twist-and-go (am I getting old?)...

Yes.:D

rat_race

rat_race wrote: »

I'm thinking of a Burgman 400, for commuting 100km day, 70% on motorway, 30% city. Your opinions on these scooters?

I would usually commute on my Tiger 800 if I'm doing those sorts of distances, but it's a bit too big when you hit the city. I use my Ninja 250 for inner city stuff when I can, which I love, compared to the Tiger 800. So much more nimble and less hassle in terms of parking, filtering, risk, etc.

Space, ease-of-ride, practicality & nimbleless are important to me, hence why I'm particularly interested in Burgman 400s: seem nimble-ish (never ridden one), and has 62 litres under-seat storage (don't think anything can beat that). Also, I like the idea of no gears, twist-and-go (am I getting old?)...

The 2017 Burgman model loses 20 litres of storage, but looks much sportier, with some other minor improvements (bigger front wheel, for example), etc. Not sure about being an early adopter on a brand new model though...

Thats a long commute on a bike, I think its a good idea personally. Haven't riden a scooter in years but really comfortable, quite a different experience than a bike that has gears, much more relaxed drive I think

listermint

Plus you get to wear a cool apron like the French. Keeps the weather off.

rat_race

Mariah Greasy Thumb wrote: »

Thats a long commute on a bike, I think its a good idea personally. Haven't riden a scooter in years but really comfortable, quite a different experience than a bike that has gears, much more relaxed drive I think

Well it's about 50km each way...not so bad. I'm thinking some audiobooks and a fairly relaxed ride and it'd be fine. Thanks for the input.

Richard tea

Rat race...... would you consider Honda NC range with duel clutch transmission. I commute your distance and it's perfect for motorway and city. How much is a new burgmann?

rat_race

Richard tea wrote: »

Rat race...... would you consider Honda NC range with duel clutch transmission. I commute your distance and it's perfect for motorway and city. How much is a new burgmann?

New Burgman 400 (now the "old model") is €9350 (I know, right), and new 2017 model is around €10750 or something like that.

Bit of an insane price really...I like the NC range, and a similar price too. Storage isn't great though...thanks for the suggestion though, I'll re-look into them.

CaptainR

rat_race wrote: »

New Burgman 400 (now the "old model") is €9350 (I know, right), and new 2017 model is around €10750 or something like that.

Bit of an insane price really...I like the NC range, and a similar price too. Storage isn't great though...thanks for the suggestion though, I'll re-look into them.

10 grand is stupidly expensive for what you're getting. Doyle's are selling brand new 2017 GSX-R 750's for 12,500 for Christs sake.

Obviously you don't want one of them but for less than 2 grand more that's what you can get. Ones either very cheap or very expensive.

galwaytt

CaptainR wrote: »

10 grand is stupidly expensive for what you're getting. Doyle's are selling brand new 2017 GSX-R 750's for 12,500 for Christs sake.

Obviously you don't want one of them but for less than 2 grand more that's what you can get. Ones either very cheap or very expensive.

Why OP's choice of steed - or it's price - upsets you so much escapes me.

Unless the GSXR comes in auto, upright and with good weather protection and cheaper insurance it's price is irrelevant.

OP - I'll be looking at similar this year, and I'd throw in the Kawasaki/Kymco J300, and Yamaha TMax / XMax range.

I have (had) a nonfunctioning Aprilia Atlantic 500 and big scooter riding is great. Civilised comfy, easy. Good for pillions too.

I wouldn't replace my sports bike or cruiser with one mind you, that's bike's for you: one is never enough.

CaptainR

galwaytt wrote: »

Why OP's choice of steed - or it's price - upsets you so much escapes me.

Unless the GSXR comes in auto, upright and with good weather protection and cheaper insurance it's price is irrelevant.

OP - I'll be looking at similar this year, and I'd throw in the Kawasaki/Kymco J300, and Yamaha TMax / XMax range.

I have (had) a nonfunctioning Aprilia Atlantic 500 and big scooter riding is great. Civilised comfy, easy. Good for pillions too.

I wouldn't replace my sports bike or cruiser with one mind you, that's bike's for you: one is never enough.

Not upset at all, just comparing two Suzuki's price. I just can't fathom why a big scooter is nearly as expensive a sports bike made by the same company. I could have just as easily compared it to a GN125 and wondered why its a quarter of the price of the Burgman.

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I'm actually thinking that my next bike will probably be a large (650+) scooter.

I don't care that I can get a Gixxer etc for two grand more, after owing a few sports bikes I can honestly say that in my opinion they're shit to daily commute on, totally impractical, uncomfortable, expensive to run and a thief magnet.

galwaytt

CaptainR wrote: »

Not upset at all, just comparing two Suzuki's price. I just can't fathom why a big scooter is nearly as expensive a sports bike made by the same company. I could have just as easily compared it to a GN125 and wondered why its a quarter of the price of the Burgman.

That's cos you're equating 'scooter' and cheap. Cheap quality, low tech etc.

A modern big scoot is expensive to design, and possibly even more to manufacture than a conventional bike. Big bikes invest heavily in speed, power etc. All good. Scoots take as many hours to bear on transmission, packaging, nimbleness, weight, etc. Boring two 300cc cylinders in a crankcase is the same in either a scooter or sportsbike. Look at a fully specc'd TMAX 530. .....plenty of tech- and R & D there...

The days of scooter = cheap are long gone. People don't want junk anyway.