vaccine program

leoch

hi there i am in the process of buying in weanlings from now on to put to grass in about 2 months time ,with the mild winter we had and the amount of jagging i had to do to adult bulls being fattened in a good open airy slatted shed over the winter i am wondering do people use bovifast or pneumonia boaster injections in newly bought in young stock ???

Bass Reeves

Up until 1-2 years ago I would never have considered vacination of bucket fed animals. Now I am of the opinion that I will have to vacinate when putting into the shed in future. For the last two winters I have noticed two year old Friesian's with snotty noses a thing that was very uncommon before after you had housed for two to three weeks. This year I had a few bucket fed weanlings as well and theses really did not have clean noses for the winter. There was always 1-2 with snots on there nose.

So next winter I intend to vacinate these cattle for IBR. I think because calves care being vacinated at birth we have little choice but to continue with the programme. They are not building up the immunity that you would presume two year old cattle should have. I have also noticed an issue with peunomia during the late summer in 30 month old bullocks over the last two years, this would be due to lungworms but again an issue that was not there previously. You might get an isolated case every second year. Last summer I had 3-4 cases.

leoch

So it's done before housing not early in the year

mahoney_j

All calves done with bovipast at 5 days old and booster 21 days later ,non negotiable .i then do my fr heifers with Ibr live in September

leoch

so would u sugest mahoney doing them now or waiting till i put them out is it an injection or nazel thing

Bass Reeves

Vacinate is a thing I have to reserch to see which I think I need to do. Are these bough in weanlings or are they your own. With cattle going outI am not sure if it is necessary but again I have to reserch it's bit. A herd health plan is part of the discussion groups it is something I am going to discuss with the vet with then or during the herd test.

leoch

Bought in stock

mahoney_j

leoch wrote: »

so would u sugest mahoney doing them now or waiting till i put them out is it an injection or nazel thing

Yes and tomorrow morning if u can ,its an injection .that along with other management changes here has really improved calf health and thrive here

leoch

These boys are 7 to 10 month old is there any particular product u use and do the get 2 shots like 6 weeks apart

patsy_mccabe

Quick question - is there any reliable test for IBR in a suckler herd.
I could take a milk sample, if needed. Have a lot of snotty noses this winter in younger stock. Older cows are all fine. All have access to an outside yard so ventilation not an issue.

Mooooo

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Quick question - is there any reliable test for IBR in a suckler herd.
I could take a milk sample, if needed. Have a lot of snotty noses this winter in younger stock. Older cows are all fine. All have access to an outside yard so ventilation not an issue.

Is there a blood test?

orm0nd

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Quick question - is there any reliable test for IBR in a suckler herd.
I could take a milk sample, if needed. Have a lot of snotty noses this winter in younger stock. Older cows are all fine. All have access to an outside yard so ventilation not an issue.

we got a bad hit of ibr about 10 years ago before we were vaccinating , only thing that showed positive was cultured glands in a pm

dung, nasal swabs, blood and milk sample were clear

usually they was sick with it and off form , & early treatment is vital

that's just our experience

greysides

Blood test for antibodies.
Nasal swab for virus.

patsy_mccabe

greysides wrote: »

Blood test for antibodies.
Nasal swab for virus.

So a positive blood test would indicate the animal was either exposed to the virus in the past or vaccinated and a positive nose swab would indicate the virus present now? Right?

Also -
Do older animals build up immunity to ibr?
When is the best time to vaccinate suckler cows?

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Quick question - is there any reliable test for IBR in a suckler herd.
I could take a milk sample, if needed. Have a lot of snotty noses this winter in younger stock. Older cows are all fine. All have access to an outside yard so ventilation not an issue.

Do you vaccinate against pnuemonia?
I vaccinate all the weanlings here with Rispoval 3, two shots with the second three weeks before weaning, think its a great job, theyd be well done for worms also.
Dont do them for IBR tho.

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

Do you vaccinate against pnuemonia?
I vaccinate all the weanlings here with Rispoval 3, two shots with the second three weeks before weaning, think its a great job, theyd be well done for worms also.
Dont do them for IBR tho.

Never a problem here with pneumonia? Had the odd case with older animals down through the years but thats it. Training weanlings on meal, dosing 6 weeks before weaning and weaning in good weather seem to do the trick.

Had a few young heifers that were supposed to be in calf come bulling again about 3 months later and I'm thinking that could be IBR too.

Hard Knocks

tanko wrote: »

Do you vaccinate against pnuemonia?
I vaccinate all the weanlings here with Rispoval 3, two shots with the second three weeks before weaning, think its a great job, theyd be well done for worms also.
Dont do them for IBR tho.

Do you give RSV live or dead vaccine

tanko

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Do you give RSV live or dead vaccine

It contains modified live strains of Pi3, BRSV and inactivated BVD.

Bass Reeves

Did all weanlings and stores this year for I m IBR. Over last few years I have had an issue with snotty noses at housing, coughing and poor thrive. Last summer when doing the health plan for the Knowledge transfer he recommended trying this. He thinks that cattle are building up no immunity because of all the vaccinating and the mild autumn's we are getting. I am quite happy with it as it seems to have reduced the snotty noses and the coughing

greysides

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

So a positive blood test would indicate the animal was either exposed to the virus in the past or vaccinated and a positive nose swab would indicate the virus present now? Right?

Also -
Do older animals build up immunity to ibr?
When is the best time to vaccinate suckler cows?

Modern IBR vaccines, marker vaccines, use a virus with an antigen missing. The blood test looks for the presence of antibodies to that antigen. If they are present then the animal was exposed to the wild virus and not the vaccine virus. Otherwise correct.

Immunity to IBR can wax and wane with exposure and time from exposure. Once infected animals never lose the virus and become carriers that will transmit if once their defences weaken.

I've only glanced through this but it looks like a thorough run through of IBR.

greysides

BTW, unless that booklet states otherwise, to my mind the jury is still out on whether the strains of IBR we have in this country cause embryonic death. Leptospirosis will.

Mooooo

Our own vet reckons ibr get the blame for a lot of things but that a lot of the time it's an underlying issue and allows the ibr to flare up

patsy_mccabe

Well this morning it was frosty and dry. Not a snotty nose to be seen.

Jack C

Well just had vet out. Bunch of aug-sept born coughing about a month ago. They have a lie back area in shed and can go in and out to graze.
Done with a white drench and seem to clear up fairly well.
Started coughing again and a few snotty noses about 2 weeks ago and then a few not eating meal.
Then 3 developed a temperature and a pant and treated with norfenicol which had always done the trick. This year though they didn't seem to respond so well.
Vet gave some other shots today and said one had pneumonia on one side brought on by a virus.
They were done with bovipast . Didn't do for IBR as I tested a few nose swabs last year and were negative for IBR.
Always have to treat a few but a bit worried this year as usual drug didn't work and I think there will be a few patients.

nhg

mahoney_j wrote: »

All calves done with bovipast at 5 days old and booster 21 days later ,non negotiable .i then do my fr heifers with Ibr live in September

Getting near the start of the calf rearing season again, is everyone using the same vaccine program as last year or is there anything new on the market.

Last few years we used:
Tribovax X 2ml
Vecoxan X 20ml
Bovipast RSP X 5ml
Bovilis IBR Marker Live X 2ml

Followed by boosters of
Tribovax X 2ml
Bovipast RSP X 5ml

All bull calves sourced from 2 local farmers and fed on Shine Once A Day...

Hard Knocks

nhg wrote: »

Getting near the start of the calf rearing season again, is everyone using the same vaccine program as last year or is there anything new on the market.

Last few years we used:
Tribovax X 2ml
VecoxaVecoxan X 20ml
Bovipast RSP X 5ml
Bovilis IBR Marker Live X 2ml

Followed by boosters of
Tribovax X 2ml
Bovipast RSP X 5ml

All bull calves sourced from 2 local farmers and fed on Shine Once A Day...

Would this last the year?
Gave RSV in September & had to treat a calf on Monday which was unsold at mart last week

The man in red and black

Jack C wrote: »

They were done with bovipast . Didn't do for IBR as I tested a few nose swabs last year and were negative for IBR.
Always have to treat a few but a bit worried this year as usual drug didn't work and I think there will be a few patients.

Nasal swabs can sometimes give false negatives. They are useful in the face of an outbreak as if you find the virus you can say it is definitely present(In the middle of an outbreak you are unlikely to find antibodies on bloods). Finding nothing on nasal swabs doesn't mean IBR wasn't the cause though so we often recommend doing a blood test at the time of outbreak and a follow up blood 3 weeks later to check for rising antibody levels indicating exposure to one virus in particular.

Base price

nhg wrote: »

Getting near the start of the calf rearing season again, is everyone using the same vaccine program as last year or is there anything new on the market.

Last few years we used:
Tribovax X 2ml
Vecoxan X 20ml
Bovipast RSP X 5ml
Bovilis IBR Marker Live X 2ml

Followed by boosters of
Tribovax X 2ml
Bovipast RSP X 5ml

All bull calves sourced from 2 local farmers and fed on Shine Once A Day...

We will continue to do what we have been doing for the past 9 years after a bad run of pneumonia at that time. To date we have only had the odd case of pneumonia in yearlings during their first Winter of housing although we allow them outdoor access to the yard and field.
All calves are bought in, the majority are from the same 3 or 4 herds that we have been buying from for years. Batches of new calves are housed separately in different small sheds for 5 days to a week to gauge their health before they are moved to the main shed for rearing.
As soon as possible after arrival which normally is within 12 to 24 hours:
2ml of Rispoval RS+Pi3 intranasal.
3ml/10kg Bovicox.
All new calves get a feed of homemade electrolytes for their first feed. Second feed would be a weak mix of CMR and I build up grms/ltr over the following days. I use separate teat feeders for new arrivals and leave soaking in Steri 7 Xtra after each feed.

greysides

Base price wrote: »

We will continue to do what we have been doing for the past 9 years after a bad run of pneumonia at that time. To date we have only had the odd case of pneumonia in yearlings during their first Winter of housing although we allow them outdoor access to the yard and field.
All calves are bought in, the majority are from the same 3 or 4 herds that we have been buying from for years. Batches of new calves are housed separately in different small sheds for 5 days to a week to gauge their health before they are moved to the main shed for rearing.
As soon as possible after arrival which normally is within 12 to 24 hours:
2ml of Rispoval RS+Pi3 intranasal.
3ml/10kg Bovicox.
All new calves get a feed of homemade electrolytes for their first feed. Second feed would be a weak mix of CMR and I build up grms/ltr over the following days. I use separate teat feeders for new arrivals and leave soaking in Steri 7 Xtra after each feed.

Good protocol.