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Which Civil Service Union should I join?

  • 23-02-2017 11:14am
    #1
    TestLink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭


    May I know joining which Civil Service Union advisable for people working in Irish Civil Service as EO / CO - PSEU / IMPACT / CPSU / etc, in terms of services to employees, union membership fees etc?
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  • #2
    Zipppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    in civil service Clerical officers are represented by CPSU..EO / HEO / AO are represented by PSEU.
    in wider public service (HSE LOCAL AUTHORITIES ITs) most clerical grades are represented by IMPACT.


  • #3
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    None


  • #4
    Zipppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    psnKOB79LFC wrote:
    None


    Current pay terms and conditions.. like holiday and sick leave etc have been fought for by union members over the decades..the only way to ensure these conditions remain is to be part of a union protecting them....ALWAYS join a union...


  • #5
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    Zipppy wrote: »
    in civil service Clerical officers are represented by CPSU..EO / HEO / AO are represented by PSEU.
    in wider public service (HSE LOCAL AUTHORITIES ITs) most clerical grades are represented by IMPACT.

    They are all looking to amalgamate -- which will make it a bit easier to understand! :)


  • #6
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    Zipppy wrote: »
    Current pay terms and conditions.. like holiday and sick leave etc have been fought for by union members over the decades..the only way to ensure these conditions remain is to be part of a union protecting them....ALWAYS join a union...

    Also useful if you find yourself invited to a meeting with HR...


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  • #7
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    Zipppy wrote: »
    Current pay terms and conditions.. like holiday and sick leave etc have been fought for by union members over the decades..the only way to ensure these conditions remain is to be part of a union protecting them....ALWAYS join a union...

    Yeah because collective bargaining really helps staff to be progressive, doesn't surpress ambition and promotes entreprenism. Sure.

    It is the complete opposite, fosters fighting for the lazy and builds a sense of anti work inertia


  • #8
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    Yeah because collective bargaining really helps staff to be progressive, doesn't surpress ambition and promotes entreprenism. Sure.

    It is the complete opposite, fosters fighting for the lazy and builds a sense of anti work inertia

    Yeah you're right, but its compensated by the €1000 payrise kicking in in April and the gold plaited public service pensions. Thanks.


  • #9
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    Donal55 wrote: »
    Yeah you're right, but its compensated by the €1000 payrise kicking in in April and the gold plaited public service pensions. Thanks.

    Gold plated for pre 1995 entrants. If unions are so good why then do new entrants get copper pensions in comparison


  • #10
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    Yeah because collective bargaining really helps staff to be progressive, doesn't surpress ambition and promotes entreprenism.

    I wish I knew what entreprenism was... :(


  • #11
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    Creol1 wrote: »
    I wish I knew what entreprenism was... :(

    I love it when someone's only point is to correct spelling mistakes or typos. Nice to know you add value


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  • #12
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    Yeah because collective bargaining really helps staff to be progressive, doesn't surpress ambition and promotes entreprenism. Sure.
    Eh, an employer paying unsatisfactory or unfair wages generally doesn't help staff to be progressive or promote ambition and entrepreneurship either...


    It is the complete opposite, fosters fighting for the lazy and builds a sense of anti work inertia
    Does it? Sounds like a generalisation based on zero evidence. Unions are as fundamental to the market place as employers seeking profit maximisation. You don't suppose to argue that only employers are allowed to make profits, and not workers? How very un-Entrepreneurial of you.


  • #13
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Eh, an employer paying unsatisfactory or unfair wages generally doesn't help staff to be progressive or promote ambition and entrepreneurship either...




    Does it? Sounds like a generalisation based on zero evidence. Unions are as fundamental to the market place as employers seeking profit maximisation. You don't suppose to argue that only employers are allowed to make profits, and not workers? How very un-Entrepreneurial of you.


    Evidence I need? Wheres yours so?


  • #14
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    Yeah because collective bargaining really helps staff to be progressive, doesn't surpress ambition and promotes entreprenism. Sure.

    It is the complete opposite, fosters fighting for the lazy and builds a sense of anti work inertia
    Imagine if there never was a labour movement. You probably wouldn't have been in a position to type that, and I probably wouldn't have been in a position to respond. Just a thought...


  • #15
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    Evidence I need? Wheres yours so?
    I'm not the one making baseless assumptions...


  • #16
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    I'm not the one making baseless assumptions...

    No assumptions


  • #17
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    I love it when someone's only point is to correct spelling mistakes or typos. Nice to know you add value

    Sorry sunshine, but it wasn't a spelling mistake or a typo. You didn't misspell a word. You used a word that doesn't exist. You pretend to care about hard work...maybe you should have done some in school (if you went to one).


  • #18
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    It's like anything. ..the weak want a union, the self sufficient don't need one


  • #19
    keepkeyyellow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭keepkeyyellow


    Been a co for nearly a year and I haven't joined the union - no intention either. Maybe when I'm a heo and need the income continuance just in case...


  • #20
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    keepkeyyellow wrote: »
    Been a co for nearly a year and I haven't joined the union - no intention either. Maybe when I'm a heo and need the income continuance just in case...

    When COs get the extra €1,000 unions have negotiated for them, you obviously won't be taking it then?


  • #21
    Zipppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    Creol1 wrote:
    When COs get the extra €1,000 unions have negotiated for them, you obviously won't be taking it then?


    Well said.....


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  • #22
    psnKOB79LFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    Creol1 wrote: »
    When COs get the extra €1,000 unions have negotiated for them, you obviously won't be taking it then?

    Well maybe without the unions people would be paid for their ability and not their grade so a go co, or equivalent, would earn what they deserve, not what is on their payscale.

    Surprised peoplease can't see how collective bargaining can be counter productive...


  • #23
    Mancomb Seepgood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    I have my issues with some of the ways that the public sector unions operate,but regardless of whether you are public or private sector,if you are able to join a union in your workplace,you should.

    Leaving aside he fact that many of the rights we take for granted are the result of collective bargaining,if you have a HR issue your employer will likely have solicitors backing them up in the last resort.An employer will not have the resources to take on legal representation-which is where a union comes in.


  • #24
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,734 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Creol1 wrote: »
    When COs get the extra €1,000 unions have negotiated for them, you obviously won't be taking it then?

    You can thank them for the 10% cut to new entrant salaries, the points lost when the salary scales were amalgamated and the far worse pension entitlements for post-2013 staff.


    Yeah, alot of PS workers owe nothing to unions that didn't lift a finger to stop them getting screwed over way above and beyond the cuts they took.


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