Why Irish water charges should not have been removed

Johnboner

More tax means more resources for government institutions such as emergency services, health, road, crime reduction, street lights etc.

Omackeral

The naggers thread was less of a wind up.

wes

I would have sympathy for that position, if they didn't waste millions on setting up Irish water. That money could have been used to fix our crappy water infrastructure.

Johnboner

Omackeral wrote: »

The naggers thread was less of a wind up.

It is the truth just Irish people don't want to hear it. Look at Sweden and Norway for example high taxes but also high level of services provided.

Omackeral

Wouldn't be looking to Sweden for a Utopian society anyway.

dickwod1

With all them terror attacks

Johnboner

Omackeral wrote: »

Wouldn't be looking to Sweden for a Utopian society anyway.

Close to it though.

Johnboner

dickwod1 wrote: »

With all them terror attacks

Which is 0

Surreptitious

ChikiChiki

Thats it OP, we should just tolerate the sell off of tax payer assets at knock down prices and deeply questionable business practices.

Pull the other one....

con___manx1

Johnboner wrote: »

More tax means more resources for government institutions such as emergency services, health, road, crime reduction, street lights etc.

There is a record amount of homeless people in this country at the moment. We are already taxed to the hilt with the universal social charge which was supposed to be brought in as a temporary measure.. We will be paying that for the rest of our lives. The goverment can pay for the water out of that.

Cantona's Collars

The charges were a roaring success in the first place with everyone paying.......Oh wait they didn't. I think I kept a bill as a souvenir.

Jack the Stripper

I have a raging hard on for Irish Water issues.

Cantona's Collars

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I have a raging hard on for Irish Water issues.

A drop of cold water will sort that, don't forget to pay for it though.

Junkyard Tom

Johnboner wrote: »

More tax means more resources for government institutions such as emergency services, health, road, crime reduction, streetlights etc.

They decided to spend €1,000,000,000 (that's one thousand million euros) setting up a 'private' bureaucracy. A private bureaucracy that was going to pay paper-shufflers, managers, public relations 'experts' and CEO's millions of euro every year to do fuck all but sell water to the annually flooded.

How many local people would have been employed if that €1Bn had been used to upgrade the water infrastructure? Thousands of local workers, and their families, spending millions of euros in local shops, restaurants and bars.

Which would have been the better option?

Your Face

Yes whatever you say Minister.

gctest50

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

They decided to spend €1,000,000,000 (that's one thousand million euros) setting up a 'private' bureaucracy. A private bureaucracy that was going to pay paper-shufflers, managers, public relations 'experts' and CEO's millions of euro every year to do fuck all but sell water to the annually flooded.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

.......annually flooded.

Can't drink flood water - full of cr@p like that post

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

.....................They decided to spend €1,000,000,000 (that's one thousand million euros) setting up a 'private' bureaucracy. ....

any sources on what all this €1,000,000,000 was spent on ?

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

How many local people would have been employed if that €1Bn had been used to upgrade the water infrastructure? Thousands of local workers, and their families, spending millions of euros in local shops, restaurants and bars.

Which would have been the better option?

Junkyard Tom

gctest50 wrote: »

full of cr@p like that post

What part of the post hurts your feelings?

any sources on what all this €1,000,000,000 was spent on ?

More than €1 billion of taxpayers’ money has already been spent on Irish Water with much more to follow.

irishtimes.com

Graces7

con___manx1 wrote: »

There is a record amount of homeless people in this country at the moment. We are already taxed to the hilt with the universal social charge which was supposed to be brought in as a temporary measure.. We will be paying that for the rest of our lives. The goverment can pay for the water out of that.

Not in comparison with eg the 50s and not in comparison with other European countries.
NB also the term "homeless" usually means sleeping rough. Here it gets applied to those in emergency accommodation too.

The last audit in Canada? (I have family and colleagues working with the homeless there) Nearly 3 million sleeping rough.

And look at Greece too.

No there should not be this situation.

Wheeliebin30

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

They decided to spend €1,000,000,000 (that's one thousand million euros) setting up a 'private' bureaucracy. A private bureaucracy that was going to pay paper-shufflers, managers, public relations 'experts' and CEO's millions of euro every year to do fuck all but sell water to the annually flooded.

How many local people would have been employed if that €1Bn had been used to upgrade the water infrastructure? Thousands of local workers, and their families, spending millions of euros in local shops, restaurants and bars.

Which would have been the better option?

What do you actually think they would have fixed spending 1 billion?

85,000 kms of pipe need to be replaced.

We're talking tens of billions.

Yet you think 1 billion will do the job, what happens when that 1 billion is gone?

Armchair Andy

Yeah fvck it you're right. Things went far better the way they did.

Wheeliebin30

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Yeah **** it you're right. Things went far better the way they did.

No matter what was spent or how it was spent it was doomed to fail from day one such is the attitude of the public.

Once political parties jumped on board the bandwagon like sinn fein who just u turned all of a sudden when they seen a populist opportunity and Fianna fail the game was up.

Armchair Andy

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

No matter what was spent or how it was spent it was doomed to fail from day one such is the attitude of the public.

WTF? Pity Stalin or Hitler weren't around they'd have sorted it out.

The_Valeyard

Was just thinking we didnt have an Irish water thread in a while

Mongfinder General

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I have a raging hard on for Irish Water issues.

Trumpets ahoy!

Geuze

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

They decided to spend €1,000,000,000 (that's one thousand million euros) setting up a 'private' bureaucracy. A private bureaucracy that was going to pay paper-shufflers, managers, public relations 'experts' and CEO's millions of euro every year to do fuck all but sell water to the annually flooded.

Please note that the actual set-up costs were about 10% of what you claim.

They were about 100m.

Geuze

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

More than €1 billion of taxpayers’ money has already been spent on Irish Water with much more to follow.

irishtimes.com

Please note that this 1 billion refers to regular ongoing water costs, which always existed.

Let me repeat - these production costs always existed - they are not new.

They include the annual costs to run the 1,400 water treatment plants.

The set-up costs of the new IW organisation were approx 100m.

Wheeliebin30

Armchair Andy wrote: »

WTF? Pity Stalin or Hitler weren't around they'd have sorted it out.

What?

I'm just stating a fact, the public didn't want it.

Hitler, water charges?

That's a first I must admit.

Roger Hassenforder

Geuze wrote: »

Please note that this 1 billion refers to regular ongoing water costs, which always existed.

Let me repeat - these production costs always existed - they are not new.

They include the annual costs to run the 1,400 water treatment plants.

The set-up costs of the new IW organisation were approx 100m.

180 million

http://www.per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/46.-Irish-Water-Costs.pdf


With 540 million on metering. Money well spent there.

RobbingBandit

Stalin and his five year plans wouldn't work here as for the Adolf fella he'd just hide out in a bunker, what we need now is New Irish Water to come along with a new plan that just confuses people even more then in six months Irish Water Classic will be introduced and Irish Water and their evil affiliated overlords will rule all. Work for Coca Cola.

Kintarō Hattori

I pay my taxes and am effectively paying out 44% on what I earn. I had absolutely zero intention of paying for water though. I'm just about to pay out €700 to have a water filtration system installed in a 10 year old house in an estate due to the quality of water coming in through the pipes. As soon as I mentioned to the company I lived in Balbriggan....... 'Oh we have someone there every day..... your water's terrible'.

I've had to resort to this system as the shower broke already, had it repaired and it looks to be on the way out. We can't keep the shower area free of limescale and I can't imagine what the water pipes look like.

Not a hope in hell I was/am willing to pay when it's as poor as it is and there was no guarantee of it improving.

Boom_Bap

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