Grant for condensing oil burner?

cb7

The oil burner we have has to replaced even though it is only 7 years old. We recently found out that it was set at the wrong setting (diesel instead of oil) as a result we need a new oil burner.
Is there any grants available?

Wearb

Your explanation in itself doesn't explain the reason for a new one being necessary. Perhaps a few pic will help us to understand. Maybe it can be fixed.

You will get a grant if you do heating controls upgrade with install. That is a good idea either way. I would recommend the grant route also because it stipulates a minimum quality of installation.

cb7

It is not worth fixing - the time taken to clean out and replace parts would probably cost the same (according to service engineer)
Anyway no grant available unless house built before 2006

Wearb

cb7 wrote: »

It is not worth fixing - the time taken to clean out and replace parts would probably cost the same (according to service engineer)
Anyway no grant available unless house built before 2006

Ok, I appreciate that you didn't ask for advice on whether it needed to be replaced. I would just add that very few of us here would have had need to replace a 7 year old oil boiler.

There is a grant for upgraded controls, which would be a good idea when renewing.

jimf

unless your boiler is leaking it should be possible to redeem it

maybe a new set of baffles would go a long way towards above

of course we are only commenting without seeing your boiler but I would agree with wearb replacing a 7 yo boiler seems a bit of an overkill

agusta

If you could post a few pictures the lads here just might save you alot of money...,At the very least you will get a few professional opinions

jimf

where is he going to get the professional opinions from dec shur scudo fired all his toys out of the pram

oh just remembered we will wait for tom

cb7

Ahh thanks
It was set at the wrong setting from day 1 I think. Set at Diesel instead of oil burner. We replaced the baffles a couple of years ago and they needed to be replaced again. It was also leaking a substance from it and black smoke coming from it and it full of soot. I don't think the plumber set up right on day 1 it was put in. The carbon monoxide reading was nearly 10,000 (I think it supposed to be below 400).
Plumber was ignoring our calls (first he said he would come out and as usual he did not). So he is now not answering phone to us.
Anyway got a quote for a new boiler (grant) 2300 to install as well - does that sound about right?
Am raging as it is only 7 years old!!!

Wearb

You really need a second opinion on this. Your regular guy seems to have gone from bad to worse.

jimf

sounds like you had a plumber from hell first set of burnt out baffles should have been a red flag

co should be below 100 but we prefer it lower than that usually boilers can be set up using the proper equipment to run at around 20ppm

where are you based maybe somebody on here may be able give you a second opinion

agusta

jimf wrote: »

sounds like you had a plumber from hell first set of burnt out baffles should have been a red flag

co should be below 100 but we prefer it lower than that usually boilers can be set up using the proper equipment to run at around 20ppm

I prefer lower than 20 ppm:)

jimf

agusta wrote: »

I prefer lower than 20 ppm:)

ya 19 I suppose :D

agusta

cb7 wrote: »

Ahh thanks
It was set at the wrong setting from day 1 I think. Set at Diesel instead of oil burner. We replaced the baffles a couple of years ago and they needed to be replaced again. It was also leaking a substance from it and black smoke coming from it and it full of soot. I don't think the plumber set up right on day 1 it was put in. The carbon monoxide reading was nearly 10,000 (I think it supposed to be below 400).
Plumber was ignoring our calls (first he said he would come out and as usual he did not). So he is now not answering phone to us.
Anyway got a quote for a new boiler (grant) 2300 to install as well - does that sound about right?
Am raging as it is only 7 years old!!!

The only important question here is " what substance is leaking from the boiler and where?, is there water around the base of the boiler or inside the boiler?
Baffles and cleaning the boiler is not expensive..Who changed the baffles for you..
What make is the boiler

cb7

It was more like a grease coming from it (oozing).
Yes plumber who wont answer the phone now to me at all!! Think I will delete his number as want nothing more to do with him.

The first time baffles went we got a different plumber to change them. (They did not notice the wrong settin either)

Would being at the wrong setting (diesel instead of oil) really cause so much damage?

I am probably to blame as have not serviced regularly. Lesson learnt

jimf

put simply yes

would be set at 12bar pressure instead of 8/9 bar

agusta

cb7 wrote: »

It was more like a grease coming from it (oozing).
Yes plumber who wont answer the phone now to me at all!! Think I will delete his number as want nothing more to do with him.

The first time baffles went we got a different plumber to change them. (They did not notice the wrong settin either)

Would being at the wrong setting (diesel instead of oil) really cause so much damage?

I am probably to blame as have not serviced regularly. Lesson learnt

Where did you see the grease like substance oozing from it?.is it inside the boiler chamber and on the baffles? ,if so,this sounds like unburnt fuel mixed with the soot,

agusta

cb7 wrote: »

Ahh thanks
It was set at the wrong setting from day 1 I think. Set at Diesel instead of oil burner. We replaced the baffles a couple of years ago and they needed to be replaced again. It was also leaking a substance from it and black smoke coming from it and it full of soot. I don't think the plumber set up right on day 1 it was put in. The carbon monoxide reading was nearly 10,000 (I think it supposed to be below 400).
Plumber was ignoring our calls (first he said he would come out and as usual he did not). So he is now not answering phone to us.
Anyway got a quote for a new boiler (grant) 2300 to install as well - does that sound about right?
Am raging as it is only 7 years old!!!

Im just wondering which guy got a reading of 10,000 parts per million on there flue gas analyser.i dont know of any one that would put an analyser in a boiler that clearly wasnt running anywhere near correctly.

In my opinion its too easy to say the boiler was set up for gas oil instead of kerosene

jimf

agusta wrote: »

Im just wondering which guy got a reading of 10,000 parts per million on there flue gas analyser.i dont know of any one that would put an analyser in a boiler that clearly wasnt running anywhere near correctly.

In my opinion its too easy to say the boiler was set up for gas oil instead of kerosene

good point from u for a change :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

spending a bit of time with me has brought you on leaps and bounds :o

JamesM

If it is a condensing boiler that was bought 7 years ago, it is unlikely that it was set up for diesel. It would have been bought from the manufacturer set up for kerosene.
I presume that you do have kerosene in your tank ?

cb7

Yes Kerosene in tank

cb7

Have the printout of 10000 for the carbon monoxide

cb7

The grease like substance was outside the unit dripping down the sides

cb7

Does 2300 sound an ok price for supply and fit of a new one?

Dtp1979

cb7 wrote: »

Does 2300 sound an ok price for supply and fit of a new one?

Sounds too cheap.
The guy that saw 10,000 ppm, why didn't he shut the boiler down ?

cb7

He said it was totally unsafe to use

Dtp1979

cb7 wrote: »

He said it was totally unsafe to use

He should've cut the wires

TPM

i am not getting the "set for diesel not kerosene"
the main difference between setting for gas oil(diesel) and kerosene is the oil pressure, normally 8 bar for kerosene and 10 for gas oil.
kerosene can burn quite happily at 10 bar.

i am thinking that the boiler was just not set up at all really, if the pressure was high it could still be set to burn clean, if the increased pressure caused too big flame or over firing it would show up on the analyser.

also as said above i find it hard to see how it would be cheaper to change a boiler than to repair the existing one, €1000 would replace a lot of parts and do alot of cleaning regardless of how dirty it was

Dtp1979

TPM wrote: »

i am not getting the "set for diesel not kerosene"
the main difference between setting for gas oil(diesel) and kerosene is the oil pressure, normally 8 bar for kerosene and 10 for gas oil.
kerosene can burn quite happily at 10 bar.

i am thinking that the boiler was just not set up at all really, if the pressure was high it could still be set to burn clean, if the increased pressure caused too big flame or over firing it would show up on the analyser.

also as said above i find it hard to see how it would be cheaper to change a boiler than to repair the existing one, €1000 would replace a lot of parts and do alot of cleaning regardless of how dirty it was

Good post TPM. In fact I'd nearly say a new burner and new set of baffles alone would be less than 500