Short term stove install

cormie

Hey folks,
A friend got their own place recently and doing what they can on a very tight budget. They picked up a cheap stove and are looking to install and use it temporarily downstairs until they can afford to buy a Clearview stove (based on my advice from previous advice gathered on this same forum) and all the flue lining and the rest.

It's not a great stove, doesn't close very well and has pieces of bendy metal where the glass should be and there's no tight seal around this either, but I did a test fire in it outside and didn't see any cracks in the casing and it seemed to be at least ok.

I've attached a picture of two pieces that were included with it, but they don't really seem to attach securely anywhere. There's also a ring type attachment that you can see in the video on top of the stove that seems like it should have screwed in on top too. The existing flu bends so there's no chance to drop anything straight down from the top (although I don't even know if this is how it's usually done) and the long piece is too long to fit up without being cut. I'm not sure what the thinner piece is for.

Anyway, I'm just looking for advice on what should go where to be able to set this up for temporary, infrequent use, it doesn't have to be perfect at all and it will only ever be used while there's occupants in the room, it's not like it will be kept going overnight while everyone in the house goes to sleep.

I've fire cement bought to put around the ope's anyway, so if it's just a case of cutting the pipe, lining it up, then filling in the gaps, wait for it to dry and then light it, grand and I should be able to do it easy enough, if it's a bit more complex, any advice would be great.

All feedback appreciated


Video of fireplace with stove here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9LNmakbUrw

TPM

cormie wrote: »

They picked up a cheap stove and are looking to install and use it temporarily downstairs until they can afford to buy a Clearview stove (based on my advice from previous advice gathered on this same forum) and all the flue lining and the rest.

No such thing as a temporary or cheap stove install, they must be installed properly and if not they can be dangerous potentially fatally in numerous ways.

cormie wrote: »

They picked up a cheap stove

It's not a great stove, doesn't close very well and has pieces of bendy metal where the glass should be and there's no tight seal around this either, but I did a test fire in it outside and didn't see any cracks in the casing and it seemed to be at least ok.

sorry but thats not a cheap stove it is a death trap

demanufactured

Throw that thing in a skip.

cormie

Not good to hear and of course they don't want to cause any unnecessary risks, but would it not be no more dangerous than an open fire and as long as there's a carbon monoxide, smoke alarm and bucket of water nearby and it's under constant supervision, that it would be ok for the odd fire over the next few months?

dathi

cormie wrote: »

Not good to hear and of course they don't want to cause any unnecessary risks, but would it not be no more dangerous than an open fire and as long as there's a carbon monoxide, smoke alarm and bucket of water nearby and it's under constant supervision, that it would be ok for the odd fire over the next few months?

buy a new piece of glass for the door and new rope seals for the door

cormie

I was thinking that alright, but I was half thinking it could be used like an open fire with at least have SOME control over the burn rate.

What about connecting it up? Is it just a case of cutting the pipe so it fits up and filling fire cement around it? Then all this can be easily removed and a proper stove install done when the budget is there?

TPM

That stove should not be connected up
I don't know I'd this is a serious thread or a joke but a stove or any appliance in condition like that should not be fitted or used.
Even discussing fitting it could encourage someone to try fit something in similar condition and dangerous.
So to clarify a stove in condition like or similar to that should not be fitted or used
I won't be replying on this again

DGOBS

In simple terms STOP WHAT YOUR DOING!

You are well on your way to killing someone.
Also as regards, it will be supervised, what happens as the fire is dying down and everyone goes to bed (when the fire produces the most amount of CO!!)

This cheap workaround is lethal.

Tom44

As a campaigner for carbon monoxide safety, due to the death of my sister, I am horrified on the stupid risks people take when their common sense tells them that what their doing is not safe, but still they look at the money savings.

If I hear again from a customer where I recommend a carbon monoxide alarm,
" Oh yea, we must get one now that we have a baby"
That one I have heard numerous times over the years. !!!!!
The mind boggles.

cormie

Hey folks, thanks again for the feedback and Tom thanks for the PM and my condolences

The aim here isn't to save money at all though. After having done research into stoves previously and receiving some great advice from some expert stove heads from boards, I'm suggesting a clearview stove and a proper 904 flue liner install and the whole thing to be done properly and a Clearview and 904 are the complete opposite of a budget install.

The idea of this was to just have something to light a fire in until they save up for the proper job, maybe another year or so.

I'm definitely taking all the comments on board, but out of curiosity, can someone explain how lighting a fire in this stove would be any different to lighting a fire in an open fireplace in terms of carbon monoxide poisoning?

Tom44

A stove restricts the draft up the chimney for better efficiency as apposed to an open fire where their is 80% extra air been sucked in from the room that doesn't even go through the actual fire.
Therefore there's more potential for fumes to leak into the room from a badly fitted stove.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of properly fitted stoves, I have one.

Same as I'm a fan of proper brakes, air bag's and seat belts on my car.

Again, like a car, would you drive that stove and be confident in it's safety ?

Robbie.G

For those that think stoves are DIY

https://www.facebook.com/clarecountycouncil/posts/1859791427626395

cormie

Thanks again for the replies folks. Well you've put me off the idea for sure. I understand a stove restricts the air flow up the chimney and that's pretty much the point of them, to slow a fires burn down, but if the stove door was even removed completely say (or just left open), and it was used just as a container for an open fire, would it not act exactly the same as an open fire?

Robbie.G

cormie wrote: »

Thanks again for the replies folks. Well you've put me off the idea for sure. I understand a stove restricts the air flow up the chimney and that's pretty much the point of them, to slow a fires burn down, but if the stove door was even removed completely say (or just left open), and it was used just as a container for an open fire, would it not act exactly the same as an open fire?

No it wouldn't be anything like an open fire
Due to the confirgment of the baffles you would have to remove those as well
It boils down to is it fitted to regs and to manufacturers instructions and if you do any of the things your asking about you have no comeback because it's wrong and could be potentially lethal
Stop this either do it right or not at all

listermint

Cormie

No one in here is trying to get you to spend money.


They merely want you to be able to continue posting here.


Think on that.

cormie

Ah, I just googled stove baffles and see what you mean and how they dictate the air flow.

As I mentioned, I'm the one suggesting a Clearview stove install with all the 904 stainless steel flexi liner and trimmings to my friend who's house it is and I know there are far cheaper stoves and liner options out there, but I'm suggesting what I believe is the best.

I was just curious how the temporary one would differ from an open fire in terms of safety/air flow design etc.

So I guess it's only use would be to have it in the garden as an outdoor stove,

Unless I did as suggested above and got new glass and rope and ensured it was all sealed, but to be honest, the door wouldn't close properly anyway, so better not.