Charging point on the IONIQ vs the Leaf

Calahonda52

Went up to airside this morning to look again at the Leaf and look for the first time at the IONIQ, [which is the premium Model and not the premium SE as is available in UK.

The charging point for the Leaf is at the front.

The charging point for the IONIQ is on the passenger side rear panel as if it were a ICE car.
As the battery was flat, they couldn't open the flap:)

Neither could they open the bonnet, the boot was opened by dropping back seats and crawling in:)

However if that is where the charging point is, its a deal breaker par excellence for me.

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

As the battery was flat, they couldn't open the flap:)

Neither could they open the bonnet, the boot was opened by dropping back seats and crawling in:)

Thats an epic fail on their part! :rolleyes:

The Leaf has issues with dead 12V batteries as well so it looks like Hyundai havent learned from Nissan's mistakes!

Calahonda52 wrote: »

However if that is where the charging point is, its a deal breaker par excellence for me.

Why? Something to do with your driveway or what?
I guess Tesla is out for you so as well as that is where they have it too! :P

Calahonda52

Partly the driveway, we drive in and back out:
You proposing that I tell herself that she needs to back in each time: well you can imagine how that discussion would go.

Also the charging points I have seen are all located in drive-in positions: will check the Topaz up by the airport later.

In passing the Leaf boot seems to be deeper than the Ioniq: get more concrete blocks in!

zilog_jones

The charger socket is in the same place on my Prius, and hasn't been a major problem so far when using a 5m coiled cable at SCPs. It's a bit awkward with parallel street parking when parking on the left of the street (I guess it was designed with yanks in mind) but not impossible. With off-street parking I always reverse in anyway.

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Partly the driveway, we drive in and back out:

Get the measuring tape out I suppose. From your proposed EVSE spot to the back of your current car is what?

Maybe a 10m cable will do?

Calahonda52

Its not the length of the cable as such, its just that overnight it will be too attractive for vandals if its visible from the road.
Also like the compressed air hose, I can see it getting caught under the front tyre as its being pulled back.

That why I asked about the height of the EVSE: was going to keep it low down, about bonnet level

Also a higher chance of driving away with it still connected or is that possible

slave1

Had the same thought on charge point, the front is better positioned for us, would let us charge with car reversed or drove into drive and also easier for public charging points.
With the charge point on the side of the car the cable would have to trail behind or in front of the car on our driveway and at some public charge points again would have to trail around the car as the charge point on the car would be on the road side (one way street so can't park the car with charge point facing the charger) rather than the public charger side.
A small point but relevant nonetheless

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Its not the length of the cable as such, its just that overnight it will be too attractive for vandals if its visible from the road.

Fair point. No solution to that I suppose. Move house!

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Also like the compressed air hose, I can see it getting caught under the front tyre as its being pulled back.

That why I asked about the height of the EVSE: was going to keep it low down, about bonnet level

I kept mine at bonnet level.

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Also a higher chance of driving away with it still connected or is that possible

Not possible on the Leaf so I presume every other car is the same.

Calahonda52

KCross wrote: »

Not possible on the Leaf so I presume every other car is the same.

I suspected as much but wanted confirmation.

As an engineer with an interest in all things in aviation, I may try fix a plug on the wall a la aircraft refuelling and drive onto it...!

I suspect there is a holding in clip of some sort but would be a nice idea, after a few scoops:)

Thanks for all the insights.
Test drive of Leaf SVE 30kW on Thursday/Friday

unkel

I'm in the same boat, see my thread linky

Charger in the front middle like the Leaf is a better idea for most people (it sure is for public charging), but it would actually be worse for me as I have a second car that is parked closer to the house than my Ioniq will be when I get it. I'll probably go for an untethered cable but a 10m one might not even be long enough for me.

isnottheword

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Partly the driveway, we drive in and back out:
You proposing that I tell herself that she needs to back in each time: well you can imagine how that discussion would go.

Ah, but if you explain to her that with the Leaf there's a reversing camera, that makes the task a hell of a lot easier. I'd assume the ioniq comes with same?

liamog

Ioniq has the reversing camera, we've noticed the FCPs are a bit awkward with the rear charger, It's just about doable to be parked in the left spot and reverse in, the one in Lucan is a pain because of the silly angle the spaces are at.

And yeah, you can't start the engine with cable plugged in.

pwurple

Isn't it illegal to reverse onto a road?

We always reverse into driveways...

slave1

pwurple wrote: »

Isn't it illegal to reverse onto a road?

We always reverse into driveways...

You should not reverse from a side road onto a road of greater importance but it's only best practice to recommend reversing into the driveway AFAIR

Calahonda52

unkel wrote: »

I'm in the same boat, see my thread linky

Charger in the front middle like the Leaf is a better idea for most people (it sure is for public charging), but it would actually be worse for me as I have a second car that is parked closer to the house than my Ioniq will be when I get it. I'll probably go for an untethered cable but a 10m one might not even be long enough for me.

That is quite a puzzle, especially from a policy perspective and housing developments etc etc, a subject I am less unfamiliar with than e-cars.

stesaurus

It's on the rear in the i3 also. Never really bothered me as I always reverse park anyway. It's just better practice in general really.
Only time it's a problem is with on street scps with the charger on the opposite side of the car.
It's a silly thing to be discounting a car for. If anyone has trouble reversing into a driveway I'd question how they managed to get a license.

Calahonda52

s.welstead wrote: »

It's a silly thing to be discounting a car for. If anyone has trouble reversing into a driveway I'd question how they managed to get a license.

Ease off the pedal bit here or your battery will discharge even quicker:D
Two years ago I might have responded a little differently but this side of cancer surgery and one blood test away from death row gives one a different perspective on such musings.

stesaurus

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Ease off the pedal bit here or your battery will discharge even quicker:D
Two years ago I might have responded a little differently but this side of cancer surgery and one blood test away from death row gives one a different perspective on such musings.

Seriously what?

josip

Side charging would suit me better.
I hate reversing out, especially in our housing estate where the kids can be flying around on bikes.
Never thought about it before but for me I think front charging would be a negative, albeit not a deal-breaker.

positron

According to the Ioniq user manual I posted on the main Ioniq thread, there was a charger port between the front weel and door on the passenger side. It was marked for granny cable charging if I remember correctly - is that not on the standard version offered here?

Calahonda52 wrote: »

As the battery was flat, they couldn't open the flap:)

Neither could they open the bonnet, the boot was opened by dropping back seats and crawling in:)

This happened here in Drogheda as well. They had a flat 12v battery for some reason, and they had to jump start the car with a portable battery pack.

unkel

Calahonda52 wrote: »

As the battery was flat, they couldn't open the flap:)

They didn't read the manual then. There's an emergency release cable to open the flap (in the boot)

positron wrote: »

According to the Ioniq user manual I posted on the main Ioniq thread, there was a charger port between the front weel and door on the passenger side.

That's the Asian version of the car.



European / US cars will have the charging point at the left rear quarter panel.

cros13

With a reversing camera and guide-lines it's easier to reverse park than the alternatives.

stesaurus

Cars always look better from the front anyway so reverse in and the neighbors can enjoy the view

I remember there was some discussion on wireless home charging but it was very inefficient, anything new on that horizon?

KCross

s.welstead wrote: »

Cars always look better from the front anyway so reverse in and the neighbors can enjoy the view

That doesnt apply to the Leaf!

cros13

s.welstead wrote: »

I remember there was some discussion on wireless home charging but it was very inefficient, anything new on that horizon?

SAE has standardized J2954 in the US which gets up 7.4kW @ ~90% efficiency. Again if you are off the ideal position by more than a few centimeters efficiency plummets.

WiTricity is working with GM, Toyota, Nissan and Daimler on adding wireless charging. Same caveats, but proprietary with up to 11kW charging supported (22kW version in the lab). Mercedes will be launching that solution with the S550e PHEV this year.

stesaurus

KCross wrote: »

That doesnt apply to the Leaf!

haha ok so maybe side profile while it's raining! Might be hard to park like that though

stesaurus

cros13 wrote: »

SAE has standardized J2954 in the US which gets up 7.4kW @ ~90% efficiency. Again if you are off the ideal position by more than a few centimeters efficiency plummets.

WiTricity is working with GM, Toyota, Nissan and Daimler on adding wireless charging. Same caveats, but proprietary with up to 11kW charging supported (22kW version in the lab). Mercedes will be launching that solution with the S550e PHEV this year.

I'm guessing we're at least 5-10 years away from having workable solutions like this at a reasonable price point for both home and destination charging.

cros13

s.welstead wrote: »

I'm guessing we're at least 5-10 years away from having workable solutions like this at a reasonable price point for both home and destination charging.

I think autonomous driving will be the deciding factor. An autonomous vehicle can line itself up with a wireless charging coil with high precision and they lack the opposable digits to connect a conductive cable on their own.
Automating the conductive cable-based charger side likely makes sense for DC rapid charging, but it's too expensive and complex for home and destination charging.

stesaurus

Sounds fun, I'm envisaging large banks of wireless charge points at shopping malls/centres or even at commuter zones where you then travel into a city centre by tram, train or bus. Car is happily charging away while you continue onward, hell it could even drop you at the door and head off to find a space itself.

liamog

s.welstead wrote: »

Sounds fun, I'm envisaging large banks of wireless charge points at shopping malls/centres or even at commuter zones where you then travel into a city centre by tram, train or bus. Car is happily charging away while you continue onward, hell it could even drop you at the door and head off to find a space itself.

By that point, you don't bother owning a car. It's the long term goal for UBER.

stesaurus

liamog wrote: »

By that point, you don't bother owning a car. It's the long term goal for UBER.

For some definitely. You only have to look at some of the stories this week about people renting cars long term rather than ownership.