Inter club manager playing on team

BigChap1759

Curious as to whether this is prohibited, frowned on or happens at all?

Anyone played inter club match/tie where the team manager was part of the team?

ChippingSodbury

Yes I've seen it. There was a motion at our AGM to forbid it happening in future and it was defeated almost unanimously. I don't seen anything wrong with it. If you've a good manager who is also a good player, why not?

Ronney

Happens a bit in our club,

Senior cup manager last year played one of the rounds. Handicap had him in the lowest 5 in the club so hard to argue and at that level lads are good enough to know if they are on form or not.

An out of form 12 gone up to 13 picking himself for pierse purcell might be looked upon differently though.

Team Captains can give advice but not if they are playing so can put you at a slight disadvantage there

Hoof Hearted2

Picking yourself on the team you are managing is a big no no, absolutely frowned upon, people here are too polite to tell you otherwise.

ridonkulous

It was done in the Ryder cup once upon a time, still is technically possible I guess but they tend to be well passed their best at the captaincy stage and don't tend to play a huge amount in Ryder cup years due to captain type obligations. I can't see any issue with it myself. Wouldn't affect me playing against or with a captain in the team.

ShriekingSheet

Happens to a small extent at our club, usually an assistant manager though. But would be someone with some selection power.

Generally speaking it's a bad idea, in my view, but when you're dealing with volunteers who give of their time to organise a team, and a couple of players cry off, and the manager hits some form, etc etc etc

Smaller clubs with barely any single figure players might only have the option of a player manager, or a high guy who might not be up to the job. What should they do?

There's a few situations where it crops up and is hard to argue with.

Russman

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Picking yourself on the team you are managing is a big no no, absolutely frowned upon, people here are too polite to tell you otherwise.

Agree with this ^^

IMHO if you're eligible and/or interested in playing on a particular team you shouldn't agree to be manager of it. Not sure it should be a rule as such, but again purely IMO, its bad form.

Obviously in certain situations, ie player rings you with 20 minutes to go saying he's after getting a puncture and won't be on time, then of course the manager playing is fine !

fred funk }{

Don't see a problem with. If you're good enough then why not.

Wichita Lineman

We allow it in our club and there has never been a problem with it. It's hard to get volunteers to cover all teams at the best of times so sometimes it's a necessity.

I managed and played on our Pierce Purcell team last year after initially declining it on the basis that it was likely to be the only team I'd be in contention for. I was asked to manage the team and pick myself if I wanted to.

It's not like I wasn't under consideration anyway as I had been picked the year before under different management.

We have a healthy attitude to interclub competitions - we love taking part in them but they are not the be all and end all for the club. If interclub competitions were to end tomorrow we would have plenty to keep us occupied!

ShriekingSheet

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

We allow it in our club and there has never been a problem with it. It's hard to get volunteers to cover all teams at the best of times so sometimes it's a necessity.

I managed and played on our Pierce Purcell team last year after initially declining it on the basis that it was likely to be the only team I'd be in contention for. I was asked to manage the team and pick myself if I wanted to.

It's not like I wasn't under consideration anyway as I had been picked the year before under different management.

We have a healthy attitude to interclub competitions - we love taking part in them but they are not the be all and end all for the club. If interclub competitions were to end tomorrow we would have plenty to keep us occupied!

Just out of interest, what kind of clubs treat them like the be all and end all?

Wichita Lineman

^ All I meant was some clubs take them more seriously than others.

pinkdoubleeagle

First time managing an inter club team in our club this year

Decided from the start that I would solely manage and not play regardless whether it was frowned upon or not..

There is a serious amount of time involved tbh

Dtoffee

Its the managers job to pick the best team, if he believes he is worthy of a place then why not .... if the team loses, he loses his job.

I see no reason to field a weakened team just because theres some unwritten rule that the manager should not pick himself .... pick your best team if you want to win.

ChippingSodbury

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Picking yourself on the team you are managing is a big no no, absolutely frowned upon, people here are too polite to tell you otherwise.

So everyone at our AGM was being too polite as well?

In general, I've noticed that the people who either:
a) won't bother their arse to get involved in a team
b) put their names down, don't put in any effort and as a result don't get picked

are the people who do all the moaning about teams. They'll find any excuse to complain.

ShriekingSheet

Dtoffee wrote: »

Its the managers job to pick the best team, if he believes he is worthy of a place then why not .... if the team loses, he loses his job.

I see no reason to field a weakened team just because theres some unwritten rule that the manager should not pick himself .... pick your best team if you want to win.

To be fair, I think the opposing view is more about avoiding conflicts of interest. Team selection is often a close call, nuanced, and hard for the people missing out. It's not unreasonable to assume that a self-selecting player manager adds an extra layer of potential grief to this.

What isn't being mentioned here is ineligible managers. Personally, I think thats the ideal, e.g.: a 4 handicap Junior Cup manager, or an 18 handicap Jimmy Bruen guy.

Ben1977

Put my name in the hat to run a team this year. It's in my handicap bracket, don't want to play as I don't think I'd do a good job doing both. My opinion would be that the manager would not be in a position to qualify for the team e.g. Higher or lower handicap.
For smaller clubs it's actually very hard to field a team and get managers. Sometimes you just have to have a playing manager.
Only on 1 occasion I've seen a manager play where he wasn't playing good and should have dropped himself. Couldn't see the wood for the trees.

WHIP IT!

Can somebody list the respective cups and handicap ranges please? Cheers

Wichita Lineman

Go to the GUI site they are all there. You just need to root around a little.

Golfgorfield

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

Go to the GUI site they are all there. You just need to root around a little.

An hour and a half should do it.

martinkop

As a rough cut:

Senior Cup - <4
Junior Cup - 5+
Jimmy Bruen - 6-11 (combined 17+)
Peirce Purcell - 12-15 (combined 27+)
AI 4Ball - 16-20 (combined 36+)

nebraska132

WHIP IT! wrote: »

Can somebody list the respective cups and handicap ranges please? Cheers

Rush GC have the details on their website