Vox golf app

Montgolfier

I heard about this on the radio yesterday. Downloaded the app but not a lot of info on how it works within the app itself.

spacecoyote

Think I saw something about them in a magazine. Are they the guys running the Major 9 competition? You get a chance to win tickets to a major of your choice or something to that effect?

Montgolfier

spacecoyote wrote: »

Think I saw something about them in a magazine. Are they the guys running the Major 9 competition? You get a chance to win tickets to a major of your choice or something to that effect?

Sounds like a money making scam and very open to cheating.

ShriekingSheet

Montgolfier wrote: »

Sounds like a money making scam and very open to cheating.

I think that's what Old Tom Morris said to the guy who invented golf.

Kevinmarkham

Montgolfier wrote: »

Sounds like a money making scam and very open to cheating.

Why does it sound like a money-making scam? Seriously, I'm bemused. Have you downloaded the app? Golf businesses are trying to come up with more novel ways to promote themselves, promote the game and engage the golfing public. I don't see VoxGolf as being any different. Plus, it's Irish.

I'm in no way involved with the company.

Montgolfier

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

Why does it sound like a money-making scam? Seriously, I'm bemused. Have you downloaded the app? Golf businesses are trying to come up with more novel ways to promote themselves, promote the game and engage the golfing public. I don't see VoxGolf as being any different. Plus, it's Irish.

I'm in no way involved with the company.

Well first of all who will regulate the scoring when you play whenever you want, all you need us a buddy to sign your card, plus no gui handicap cuts so whose going to question any score put into the system.
Second of all you can enter as many times as you like at a 5er a pop but you won't see if you qualify till 20th of March.
Maybe I'm being cynical but golf is already rife with cheating mainly handicap cheats am I wrong??? GUI don't think so, as they're trying to stamp it out.

neckedit

Montgolfier wrote: »

Well first of all who will regulate the scoring when you play whenever you want, all you need us a buddy to sign your card, plus no gui handicap cuts so whose going to question any score put into the system.
Second of all you can enter as many times as you like at a 5er a pop but you won't see if you qualify till 20th of March.
Maybe I'm being cynical but golf is already rife with cheating mainly handicap cheats am I wrong??? GUI don't think so, as they're trying to stamp it out.

It's a very decent App which lends it's self to shorter format with a standard comp. A few lads have invested a few bucks and a bit of time trying something new, that, may in time help retain players and bring more to the game. So before you go shooting both barrels maybe try it....... maybe wait until a few guys pipe up and give an actual experience of using it.
As for cheats..... they will always cheat....
Best of luck to the Boys @VoxGolf.

ShriekingSheet

I hear both Trump & Vladimir Putin have funded this app.

All the info and rules are here: www.voxgolf.com/major9

Of course it's not cheat-proof. No golf is.

Montgolfier

Apologies for mentioning the word scam it's not what I meant.

Golfgraffix

I think it's a novel idea and a great looking app, the guys behind it are 100% legit, so I would have no worries about any scam.

Best of luck to them.

J

Jawgap

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

Why does it sound like a money-making scam? Seriously, I'm bemused. Have you downloaded the app? Golf businesses are trying to come up with more novel ways to promote themselves, promote the game and engage the golfing public. I don't see VoxGolf as being any different. Plus, it's Irish.

I'm in no way involved with the company.

I think if you look at how something like Strava has effectively revolutionised casual and leisure cycling you get some glimpse as to what a similar socialised app could do for golf.

Don't know the first thing about the app aside from just skimming the website when I saw this thread but it looks worthy of further attention.

Good luck to them.

Kevinmarkham

Golfgraffix wrote: »

I think it's a novel idea and a great looking app, the guys behind it are 100% legit, so I would have no worries about any scam.

Best of luck to them.

J

And let's be fair here - Mr GolfGraffix is the 'Man from Del Monte' in this regard!

HighLine

Just a thought but would it not work better (and be better regulated) if 9 holes scores were only allowed to be entered if part of an actual competitive round at a particular club? Of course it would take away some revenue from unlimited multiple entries but would be a "safer" system IMO.

Hoof Hearted2

Ime, when there is an excessive prize as is the case here, then cheating by the participants in order to win that prize is inevitable.
While the developers of this app maybe be on to something, it's time to go back to the drawing board and try again.

neckedit

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Ime, when there is an excessive prize as is the case here, then cheating by the participants in order to win that prize is inevitable.
While the developers of this app maybe be on to something, it's time to go back to the drawing board and try again.

That is a ridiculous statement IMO. Should people decide to cheat that is far from the Developers fault...... ? People cheat at sport.... do we take every sport back to the drawing board.

Hoof Hearted2

neckedit wrote: »

That is a ridiculous statement IMO. Should people decide to cheat that is far from the Developers fault...... ? People cheat at sport.... do we take every sport back to the drawing board.

Where you are getting I said it's this apps developers fault that people cheat in golf is a mystery and you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.

What I said is "cheating in golf in Ireland is directly related to the value of the prizes on offer", if you think that's not the case then you are living on cloud cuckoo land.

neckedit

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Where you are getting I said it's this apps developers fault that people cheat in golf is a mystery and you couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.

What I said is "cheating in golf in Ireland is directly related to the value of the prizes on offer", if you think that's not the case then you are living on cloud cuckoo land.

Why do they need to go back to the drawing board then?

PARlance

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Ime, when there is an excessive prize as is the case here, then cheating by the participants in order to win that prize is inevitable.
While the developers of this app maybe be on to something, it's time to go back to the drawing board and try again.

It's flights and tickets only, I'm not sure that's an excessive prize when you factor that the winner will still be going to a considerable expense in terms of accommodation etc. As well as having to (possibly) travel up to Dublin for the final where they'll have to compete against 74 others.

It's an interesting concept and I would be more excited about what it may become rather than the current offering. I've played with the guy before, a handy golfer and a smart professional guy. Hope they got a bit of traction in Florida at the PGA Show. They probably should have given themselves more of a runway for the Major9, given themselves more time to get it out there and held the qualifying over peak months.

Hoof Hearted2

PARlance wrote: »

It's flights and tickets only, I'm not sure that's an excessive prize when you factor that the winner will still be going to a considerable expense in terms of accommodation etc. As well as having to (possibly) travel up to Dublin for the final where they'll have to compete against 74 others.

It's an interesting concept and I would be more excited about what it may become rather than the current offering. I've played with the guy before, a handy golfer and a smart professional guy. Hope they got a bit of traction in Florida at the PGA Show. They probably should have given themselves more of a runway for the Major9, given themselves more time to get it out there and held the qualifying over peak months.

Assuming flights and tickets cost about €700 per person, I would consider that excessive, I'm not sure how you wouldn't but I understand you want to be supportive and back a new initiative and I understand the fact you know the guy makes you wish him well all the more.
But imo given a prize value of €700, I would be much more in favour of having 7 prizes to the value of €100 each, with the added bonus that the competition is less likely to attract prize hunters, otherwise known as cheats.

ShriekingSheet

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Assuming flights and tickets cost about €700 per person, I would consider that excessive, I'm not sure how you wouldn't but I understand you want to be supportive and back a new initiative and I understand the fact you know the guy makes you wish him well all the more.
But imo given a prize value of €700, I would be much more in favour of having 7 prizes to the value of €100 each, with the added bonus that the competition is less likely to attract prize hunters, otherwise known as cheats.

Wouldn't disagree with you there.

But at the same time, you have to view the thing for what it is. A start up business in a stuffy old insdustry isn't going to get anywhere with a conservative approach. They need a bit of a splash to get some initial attention.

Reading the small print, the final event where the prize is actually decided is a random draw (no playing with buddies), and a GUI cert as well as ID is required. There's a reasonably decent set up there to catch / deter cheats.

In the bigger picture, more use of technology and digital profiles will probably end up helping the fight against cheats, rather than making life easier for them.

FixdePitchmark

First impressions is it is a poor name.

But what do I know - as every other app sounds odd - WhatsApp - Spotify.

Would agree that big prizes bring out the worst in golf in Ireland. Even if it is the 2% - it kills the fun for the 98%.

I'm very slow to technology in golf and I'm not alone thinking the mobile phone is cumbersome on the course. I know I'm outdated - but can we just get away from the phone on the course. I know I don't myself fully - but is a nice part of golf. You sort of are getting away from a phone (IMO). There is nothing worse than a dude 1/2 at a round of golf and away on a phone.

I actually like the idea of live scoring - but again , could we get on with the game is a real factor. There is plenty to be at to keep a 4 ball moving.

It just seems a bit loose for me the competition aspect - people like a club competition and it works. If people want to play for a 5er - they put a 5er in a cup, it works. It would nearly be harder to get 20 lads to do it on a phone.

It seems a very full space - the golf app space.

There is something that will work app wise in golf. But there seems like too many things people want to do with apps - and the users are very disperse, from wanting golf stats - to reviewing their game - to live scoring - to swing analysis - to gps. You still see very few people consistently sticking to them - major novelty factor. Even Game Golf seems to have died a death.

Anyway - not sure it is targeted at me - there is a next generation maybe that will use the phone as a feature of their golf.

Not for me.

"Back to the old pen and paper".

Hoof Hearted2

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Wouldn't disagree with you there.

But at the same time, you have to view the thing for what it is. A start up business in a stuffy old insdustry isn't going to get anywhere with a conservative approach. They need a bit of a splash to get some initial attention.

Reading the small print, the final event where the prize is actually decided is a random draw (no playing with buddies), and a GUI cert as well as ID is required. There's a reasonably decent set up there to catch / deter cheats.

In the bigger picture, more use of technology and digital profiles will probably end up helping the fight against cheats, rather than making life easier for them.

Agreed the developers have to be applauded for trying something different, but I don't think this is the answer just yet.

Regarding the systems in place to catch/deter unscrupulous sorts, well they aren't really sufficient imo, because any cheat worth his salt plays within the rules, and therein lies the problem, but if you remove the "big" prize, then he has no real incentive.

ShriekingSheet

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Agreed the developers have to be applauded for trying something different, but I don't think this is the answer just yet.

Regarding the systems in place to catch/deter unscrupulous sorts, well they aren't really sufficient imo, because any cheat worth his salt plays within the rules, and therein lies the problem, but if you remove the "big" prize, then he has no real incentive.

I don't think anyone is claiming "this is the answer", to be fair.