IFA Protests.... a trip down memory lane.

TITANIUM.

rangler1 wrote: »

joe would have very little say, I'd imagine the west of Ireland would appreciate 200/cow coming in the post more so than any one

He's the top man for Christ's sake. Are you saying that his leadership is so weak that junior people are allowed roughshod over him.
I had hoped he could live up to all the hype that he drummed up pre election, but reality is he seems well out of his depth.

rangler1

TITANIUM. wrote: »

He's the top man for Christ's sake. Are you saying that his leadership is so weak that junior people are allowed roughshod over him.
I had hoped he could live up to all the hype that he drummed up pre election, but reality is he seems well out of his depth.

livestock policy would be decided by livestock commitee and then go to national exec to be rubber stamped......it'd be very unusual for a proposal to be blocked like we did to Henry Burns on the beef protests.
Wouldn't be much point in dragging farmers from all over the country to meetings if joe was calling the shots

TITANIUM.

rangler1 wrote: »

livestock policy would be decided by livestock commitee and then go to national exec to be rubber stamped......it'd be very unusual for a proposal to be blocked like we did to Henry Burns on the beef protests.
Wouldn't be much point in dragging farmers from all over the country to meetings if joe was calling the shots

Yes I understand about the different committee's for the diff comodities that's not the problem.
The problem is the complete lack of any kind of leadership from a man that is either just going through the motions or is simply incompetent/ incapable of any meaningful action.

rangler1

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Yes I understand about the different committee's for the diff comodities that's not the problem.
The problem is the complete lack of any kind of leadership from a man that is either just going through the motions or is simply incompetent/ incapable of any meaningful action.

what action are you looking for, you know what those on here thinks of protests

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

what action are you looking for, you know what those on here thinks of protests

Protests have to be aimed directly at processers. If we protest retailers it is not to antagonise Joe public. Hand out free steak to them after explaining the the farm gate price and the retail pice disconnect and how this comes back to rural economies. The local tyre fitter to the gate maker...

Lay off the angry farmer at boiling point ****e that's spun at regular intervals.

And stop pushing/complying with government policy of produce more,work harder, for to make beef barons and coop executives millionaires.

TITANIUM.

rangler1 wrote: »

what action are you looking for, you know what those on here thinks of protests

That always seems to be your default position on the IFA rangler "What do you want them to do & why don't you put yourself up for position and do it yourself ".

Surely that's what myself and many other farmers are paying them for.

Personally I would have liked to have seen them be more combative and imaginative with the factories and MII. Like mass withdrawal from the QA scheme, doing something to get rid of some of the dairy byproduct glut. (Bass won't like that one).
Informing and organising farmers into competitive producer groups.
Put pressure on the government to pass legislation on the ownership and contracting of feed lots by processors.

But I'm only a farmer from the west of Ireland what would I know.
The Messiah knows best. Better not to rock the boat and we'll continue the race to the bottom just to maintain the status quo of a meat industry where processors do well and producers are struggling.

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

Protests have to be aimed directly at processers. If we protest retailers it is not to antagonise Joe public. Hand out free steak to them after explaining the the farm gate price and the retail pice disconnect and how this comes back to rural economies. The local tyre fitter to the gate maker...

Lay off the angry farmer at boiling point ****e that's spun at regular intervals.

And stop pushing/complying with government policy of produce more,work harder, for to make beef barons and coop executives millionaires.

Have done that too, supermarket protests were highlighting the price difference, that needs to be done nationwide to be any use, only got abuse over those from farmers. last two protests were less than 100, probably 50 of that were at both.
Only message that sends out is that the other 70000 farmers are happy with the status quo

Username John

Willfarman wrote: »

Protests have to be aimed directly at processers. If we protest retailers it is not to antagonise Joe public. Hand out free steak to them after explaining the the farm gate price and the retail pice disconnect and how this comes back to rural economies. The local tyre fitter to the gate maker...

Lay off the angry farmer at boiling point ****e that's spun at regular intervals.

And stop pushing/complying with government policy of produce more,work harder, for to make beef barons and coop executives millionaires.

Just on the last point - could the IFA come out and say they disagree with the government on this harvest 2020 craic...

Stop pushing the 'produce more' line...

What would be the benefit of this? Farmers would feel the IFA are more in tune with what's going on...

What would be the implications?

Username John

rangler1 wrote: »

Have done that too, supermarket protests were highlighting the price difference, that needs to be done nationwide to be any use, only got abuse over those from farmers. last two protests were less than 100, probably 50 of that were at both.
Only message that sends out is that the other 70000 farmers are happy with the status quo

I know this was prob discussed at length before, but if I may ask again...

Why was it deemed anti competitive or against competition law for farmers to protest (or was it blockade?) a meat factory?
What did the competition authority specifically object to?

EDIT : I see base's link has answered my question... mostly anyways...

Base price

Willfarman wrote: »

Protests have to be aimed directly at processers. If we protest retailers it is not to antagonise Joe public. Hand out free steak to them after explaining the the farm gate price and the retail pice disconnect and how this comes back to rural economies. The local tyre fitter to the gate maker...

Lay off the angry farmer at boiling point ****e that's spun at regular intervals.

And stop pushing/complying with government policy of produce more,work harder, for to make beef barons and coop executives millionaires.

I was involved in the best and biggest at the time. Unfortunately it will never, ever be repeated http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0114/5112-farmers/

rangler1

TITANIUM. wrote: »

That always seems to be your default position on the IFA rangler "What do you want them to do & why don't you put yourself up for position and do it yourself ".

Surely that's what myself and many other farmers are paying them for.

Personally I would have liked to have seen them be more combative and imaginative with the factories and MII. Like mass withdrawal from the QA scheme, doing something to get rid of some of the dairy byproduct glut. (Bass won't like that one).
Informing and organising farmers into competitive producer groups.
Put pressure on the government to pass legislation on the ownership and contracting of feed lots by processors.

But I'm only a farmer from the west of Ireland what would I know.
The Messiah knows best. Better not to rock the boat and we'll continue the race to the bottom just to maintain the status quo of a meat industry where processors do well and producers are struggling.

I'd imagine there's a cross section of farmers running that livestock commitee, I know some of them and like myself some of them have foreign buyers on their farms regularily so maybe your solution isn't popular either.
Icsa found out what we knew.....that farmers wouldn't withdraw from the QA.
What can an organisation do only take the views of the delegates and go with that,
What's needed is an arrogant, bully with initiative, but you got rid of him because he was too dear....the new guy isn't a patch on him.
I used to tell Pat Smith he was more like ''Micheal Oleary than Micheal Berkery'' when I was arguing with him

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

Have done that too, supermarket protests were highlighting the price difference, that needs to be done nationwide to be any use, only got abuse over those from farmers. last two protests were less than 100, probably 50 of that were at both.
Only message that sends out is that the other 70000 farmers are happy with the status quo

https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0828/639989-farmers-beef/

Disrupting, intimidating and annoying working parents, elderly people trying to gather up the few messages because apparently we are at "boiling point".

Is the public to believe If a farmer goes beyond boiling point does he/she turn into the the hulk and he'll hath no fury fear the rage!

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0828/639989-farmers-beef/

Disrupting, intimidating and annoying working parents, elderly people trying to gather up the few messages because apparently we are at "boiling point".

Is the public to believe If a farmer goes beyond boiling point does he/she turn into the the hulk and he'll hath no fury fear the rage!

Look what the luas drivers got for stopping the public from getting their messages.
You're not the first one that finds it easier to ctiticise than go to the protest.
I don't believe they're at boiling point, are they even worried, most have other jobs

TITANIUM.

rangler1 wrote: »

I'd imagine there's a cross section of farmers running that livestock commitee, I know some of them and like myself some of them have foreign buyers on their farms regularily so maybe your solution isn't popular either.
Icsa found out what we knew.....that farmers wouldn't withdraw from the QA.
What can an organisation do only take the views of the delegates and go with that,
What's needed is an arrogant, bully with initiative, but you got rid of him because he was too dear....the new guy isn't a patch on him.
I used to tell Pat Smith he was more like ''Micheal Oleary than Micheal Berkery'' when I was arguing with him

So are you saying that you think that there are IFA representatives on committees looking after there own interests rather than the that of there paying members?

Your right on what we need going forward tho. A tough as p's was it would seem he didn't leave a massive body of work delivering for farmers after him,with average farm incomes continually falling under his tenure.
Have we come to a stage where we need to get rid of farmers off these committees and hire in a gang of teak tough smart politically savy ambitious arrogant bullies like you say. Give um have a million each and let um off. What's the worst that could happen? Sure it can't get any worse, Can it?

rangler1

TITANIUM. wrote: »

So are you saying that you think that there are IFA representatives on committees looking after there own interests rather than the that of there paying members?

Your right on what we need going forward tho. A tough as p's was it would seem he didn't leave a massive body of work delivering for farmers after him,with average farm incomes continually falling under his tenure.
Have we come to a stage where we need to get rid of farmers off these committees and hire in a gang of teak tough smart politically savy ambitious arrogant bullies like you say. Give um have a million each and let um off. What's the worst that could happen? Sure it can't get any worse, Can it?

Don't know where you get your first paragraph, you'd hope there'd be a good cross section of all interests, I was saying that when they;re looking for somewhere to bring foreign buyers these guys are of a standard to show them the best example, so we're not messers and we're not afraid to give our time to help sell product
Just edited to say, no one is going to lobby against their own interests

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

I was involved in the best and biggest at the time. Unfortunately it will never, ever be repeated http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0114/5112-farmers/

It was hard enough to get support too at the start, remember being threatened by a farmer the first morning in Kildare, I was supposed to have cattle there that morning too, but everyone was told not to bring them so I cancelled. You kinda forget the start but it grabbed peoples imagination after a while and then they were phoning to help.
But it was great crack when it got going

Bass Reeves

Protesting at retailer's in Ireland is pointless as only about 6-7% of beef we produce is sold through supermarket's in Ireland. QA is one of the only ways to go after the processor's more. It is no use to s if it only purpose is to drive the price of rest of the beef down in price. Other than that it a case of suck it up.

Base price

rangler1 wrote: »

It was hard enough to get support too at the start, remember being threatened by a farmer the first morning in Kildare, I was supposed to have cattle there that morning too, but everyone was told not to bring them so I cancelled. You kinda forget the start but it grabbed peoples imagination after a while and then they were phoning to help.
But it was great crack when it got going

No offence but only a twat looking after their own gains would try and bring finished cattle to a factory at that time. I would have thought as an active IFA member you would have know better :rolleyes:
However, there was no shortage of support here in NCD and Meath at Clonee. We had dairy, suckler, beef, tillage and veg farmers together. We were the last standing if my memory serves me.

greysides

Mod:
This off-shoot of the other thread is now open for business. For a small consideration I might change the thread title.......


Maybe.

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

No offence but only a twat looking after their own gains would try and bring finished cattle to a factory at that time. I would have thought as an active IFA member you would have know better :rolleyes:
However, there was no shortage of support here in NCD and Meath at Clonee. We had dairy, suckler, beef, tillage and veg farmers together. We were the last standing if my memory serves me.

i didn't bring them, read my post, They were loaded and I had to cahse the lorry to bring them back on the previous night after I got the phone call that it was on.
But I was threatened by a farmer trying to get his in at the gates in Kildare that first morning, he didn't like being told to bring them home. We blocked Kilbeggan on the second day and there was only four of us and a tractor and tanker and we had to face down the workers trying to get in and a lorry trying to get out, doesn't exactly stink of huge support does it

Base price

greysides wrote: »

Mod:
This off-shoot of the other thread is now open for business. For a small consideration I might change the thread title.......


Maybe.

IMO this thread is super explosive whilst testing the Mod's ability to do their modding thing. Best of luck to ye

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

i didn't bring them, read my post, They were loaded and I had to cahse the lorry to bring them back on the previous night when I got the phone call that it was on. but I was threatened by a farmer trying to get his in at the gates in Kildare, he didn't like being told to bring them home. We blocked Kilbeggan on the second day and there was only four of us and a tractor and tanker and we had to face down the workers trying to get in and a lorry trying to get out, doesn't exactly stink of huge support does it

I was only 16. And school or not I spent several days and nights at Slaney. When deals were being done to let them open the Wexford chairman brokered a price of 92 pence a pound. A superb all round bloke. In the days that passed the Slaney manager was embarrassed to have been duped as the 90p hadn't been breached anywhere else in country.

farmertipp

Willfarman wrote: »

rangler1 wrote: »

what action are you looking for, you know what those on here thinks of protests

Protests have to be aimed directly at processers. If we protest retailers it is not to antagonise Joe public. Hand out free steak to them after explaining the the farm gate price and the retail pice disconnect and how this comes back to rural economies. The local tyre fitter to the gate maker...

Lay off the angry farmer at boiling point ****e that's spun at regular intervals.

And stop pushing/complying with government policy of produce more,work harder, for to make beef barons and coop executives millionaires.

I suggested collective non compliance for a period of time with paperwork at a meeting a few years ago and they looked at me as if I has two heads

rangler1

farmertipp wrote: »

I suggested collective non compliance for a period of time with paperwork at a meeting a few years ago and they looked at me as if I has two heads

Wouldn't blame farmers, I value my BPS too thanks

Count Mondego

In these negotiations in the past, has it ever brought the MII to publish their accounts? Five meat processors are in the top 100 rich list and Larry has private hospitals and a property portfolio of hundreds of millions. Now, unless they won the euro millions a few times, the only other way they have amassed such fortunes is from serious profit off the back of farmers.

Willfarman

Not just the backs of farmers, Entire rural economies are being plundered by these Mod Snip..... Language please! Thanks. GC

White Clover

They have peasants made out of farmers. On the phone to the dept begging for a few euro for some Mickey mouse scheme to keep teagasc and others going.