Tesla P100D now does 0-60mph in 2.27 sec!

n97 mini

With the new software update, making it the fastest to 60 production car ever made.

Anyone who knows cars knows that's insane acceleration.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2017/2017-tesla-model-s-p100d-first-test-review/

Oafley Jones

n97 mini wrote: »

With the new software update, making it the fastest to 60 production car ever made.

Anyone who knows cars knows that's insane acceleration.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2017/2017-tesla-model-s-p100d-first-test-review/

It's impressive, but these articles rarely mention the limitations of the system. You've basically got one or two shots of achieving that on a (almost full) charge and the batteries have to have a cool down period after. It's disingenuous to compare it to performance ICEs that can hit their acceleration over and over until running out of petrol... or tyres.

n97 mini

That's not really true. The article mentions that the system pre-cools the motor and pre-warms the battery before making the run, and that the driver is warned that it causes premature wear on the mechanical parts.

Similarly in the early days the use of the Nissan GT-R's launch control voided the warranty, latterly they just limited the amount of times it could be used.

Most other cars will eventually just dump a pile of cogs on the ground and go up in smoke, without warning!

Oafley Jones

n97 mini wrote: »

That's not really true. The article mentions that the system pre-cools the motor and pre-warms the battery before making the run, and that the driver is warned that it causes premature wear on the mechanical parts.

Similarly in the early days the use of the Nissan GT-R's launch control voided the warranty, latterly they just limited the amount of times it could be used.

Most other cars will eventually just dump a pile of cogs on the ground and go up in smoke, without warning!

What's not true. Ludicrous mode requires the battery to be at least 95% charge. It's pretty much a one and done deal per charge.

ted1

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It's impressive, but these articles rarely mention the limitations of the system. You've basically got one or two shots of achieving that on a (almost full) charge and the batteries have to have a cool down period after. It's disingenuous to compare it to performance ICEs that can hit their acceleration over and over until running out of petrol... or tyres.

Or they might blow a gasket.

Oafley Jones

ted1 wrote: »

Or they might blow a gasket.

Well ain't it great that a tesla has never broken down. I actually like the cars, but I can see their fault and limitations. I find the blind devotion some have for the brand to be fascinating.

n97 mini

Oafley Jones wrote: »

What's not true.

Though few, the limitations are mentioned in the article.

What's disingenuous is for you to say

It's disingenuous to compare it to performance ICEs that can hit their acceleration over and over until running out of petrol... or tyres.

Or gearboxes, head gaskets etc.

Soarer

There's no blind faith. But there's no need for the naysaying either.

2.27 to 60, even if you can only do it once a day, is still amazing for a 4 door, 4 seater car.

cros13

Oafley Jones wrote: »

What's not true. Ludicrous mode requires the battery to be at least 95% charge. It's pretty much a one and done deal per charge.

Incorrect. There is no such limitation. You'll find plenty of P90Ds and P100Ds at the drag strips in the US doing 20-30 ludicrous runs back to back. There was a temporary software limitation for some software releases as drivetrain wear was assessed, that limit (which only existed for a few weeks) could be reset by turning the car off and then on again. I know this from first hand experience with a P90D with Ludicrous I had for a couple of hours test drive in the US.

There is a limitation on Ludicrous+ which is related to the motor and battery getting back to the ideal temperature ranges. Note Ludicrous mode alone will get a P100D to 100km/h in 2.39 seconds.... inside the warranty. Ludicrous+ allows better times below this but the owner accepts responsibility for the increased wear on drivetrain components. The ideal battery charge to launch on is 95% but the difference is statistical and rarely measurable even by vbox.

The drivetrain warranty on a Model S is 8 years / unlimited mileage and the current drivetrain has a design target lifespan of 1.6 million km+. They ramped this up progressively through drivetrain revisions from an original design life of 400,000km. There were issues with some of the first few revisions of the drivetrain that resulted in some customers receiving full drivetrain replacements with later hardware... in the vast majority of cases this was done as a precautionary measure after an inspection or a repairable fault.

Here's a few youtube videos for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUAZcD0gqDg

I can't find it right now but there's a video out there of a P90D drag racing at a california drag strip the whole evening. With consistent times all the way 'til the sun started going down.

You'll have to settle for this (note this is a non-P (Performance) 85D with weaker motors):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOj54sRI65k

unkel

n97 mini wrote: »

With the new software update, making it the fastest to 60 production car ever made.

It's incredibly fast, I'd love to drive one doing that one day

It's not the fastest ever production car though, that's the Porsche 918 Spyder. I think it was verified at 2.17s 0-60mph or something like that. But I guess it's only a matter of time before a full EV breaks the record and then no ICE will ever get it back again.

unkel

And to strengthen my point. Tesla Model S P100D lists for just $130k, not even supercar money. The Porsche however is close to a million...

jsd1004

unkel wrote: »

It's incredibly fast, I'd love to drive one doing that one day

It's not the fastest ever production car though, that's the Porsche 918 Spyder. I think it was verified at 2.17s 0-60mph or something like that. But I guess it's only a matter of time before a full EV breaks the record and then no ICE will ever get it back again.

Yeah but the Porsche is a hybrid. I guess sub 2.5 second 0-60 will be the preserve of electric/hybrid cars with their instantaneous torque.

unkel

Aye. Well sub 2s times will anyway

biko

I don't think it is particularly disingenuous. Everyone knows when manufacturers say 0-100 under 3/4/5 seconds they mean under the best conditions possible.

unkel

And for a manual ICE, it means wrecking the clutch. Anyone remember when you were only allowed to do 3 launch controls in the Nissan GT-R, after that your warranty was invalidated?

And in any manual car, the on paper performance can only be achieved by a manufacturers professional test driver (wrecking the clutch). At least in any automatic (ICE or EV) the performance can be matched by any idiot just pressing a few buttons and putting his foot down