Final Thoughts - 2013 2.0L Passat

TitianGerm

Folks I posted in the Recent UK Import thread about the above car and I just have a final few questions before finalising the purchase.

The car in question is a 2013 2L 140bhp Highline Passat with 83,000 miles. It has a full VW service history serviced every 20,000 miles. The HPI check came back clean as well and the garage provide an AA 130 point inspection as standard on all their cars.

The car was taken in from Leaseplan and the dealer has a Leaseplan document showing when new tyres etc were fitted outside of services, so all in all it looks to be well maintained.

1. Should I be concerned about the milage? I don't think so but a few people have said 80,000 miles is high for a 4 year old car. I think this is just typical Irish motoring nonsense where most people here think a 20 minute drive is a good spin.

2. Are there any engine/clutch/timing belt checks I should make? I'd imagine the DPF should be fine with the milage on the car. I've had timing chains on my previous cars so not sure of the life of a belt.

3. VRT is coming in around €2,800 in the calculator but this model also has Sat Nav built in so could I expect an additional charge for this or was it standard in the HL model?

4. Anyone with day to day experience of the car? What's it like to live with?

I tend to do a few short stop start journeys during the week, probably 6 a day of no more than 10 minutes each but then travel 30 minutes three times a week each way for training with a long journey or two (Wexford to Waterford/Dublin etc) most weekends so I assume a diesel would be fine in the long run?

Thanks for the help!!

bazz26

I had that same engine in a 2011 Passat CC. 83k miles is going to be standard on a UK car that was owned by the likes of leaseplan. I wouldn't consider it high mileage. Get a look at the service history and ring the garages that stamped the book to make sure they did what is in the book. Timing belt is every 100,000 miles or 5 years afaik on that engine. Flywheel can be an issue just like any other modern diesel engine. Other issues with those cars can be the air conditioning compressor which can fail and is an expensive job. Failing/sticking EGR values are a VW bug bear on cars of that era too.

Other than that they are a good car and punchy enough engine while returning decent fuel economy. Just don't let VW apply their dieselgate fix software. :P

TitianGerm

bazz26 wrote: »

I had that same engine in a 2011 Passat CC. 83k miles is going to be standard on a UK car that was owned by the likes of leaseplan. I wouldn't consider it high mileage. Get a look at the service history and ring the garages that stamped the book to make sure they did what is in the book. Timing belt is every 100,000 miles or 5 years afaik on that engine. Flywheel can be an issue just like any other modern diesel engine. Other issues with those cars can be the air conditioning compressor which can fail and is an expensive job. Failing/sticking EGR values are a VW bug bear on cars of that era too.

Other than that they are a good car and punchy enough engine while returning decent fuel economy. Just don't let VW apply their dieselgate fix software. :P

Thank you Bazz. Very helpful as always.

_Brian

80k over 4 years isn't that high at all. Anyone buying a diesel and using as it should would be putting up that sorta mileage. My mechanic said he'd rather that than a diesel that was bought and just puttering about to the shops school and back every day and only putting up a few k a year.
Diesels are good to be driven as long as they are serviced and it seems that one is.

TitianGerm

_Brian wrote: »

80k over 4 years isn't that high at all. Anyone buying a diesel and using as it should would be putting up that sorta mileage. My mechanic said he'd rather that than a diesel that was bought and just puttering about to the shops school and back every day and only putting up a few k a year.
Diesels are good to be driven as long as they are serviced and it seems that one is.

That's what I was thinking. My dad was trying to get me to buy one with 30000 miles on it but it's about £1500 more expensive.

Yes it has lower miles but at least at 80000 I know she's been driven well.

Leonard Hofstadter

'High' mileage is no issue, if it was all motorway miles it would be a better buy than a car with only 20,000 miles mostly around town. As others have said, 80,000 miles is not that high at all.

Micky 32

I just sold my 4 year old Passat 140. I had 112,000 miles on it. EGR and flywheel was changed. Also changed timing belt even though it's a 125,000 mile interval. Comfortable car to live with especially on long runs and economical for a big car.

TitianGerm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I just sold my 4 year old Passat 140. I had 112,000 miles on it. EGR and flywheel was changed. Also changed timing belt even though it's a 125,000 mile interval. Comfortable car to live with especially on long runs and economical for a big car.

What milage did the ERG and Flywheel get done at? I'm planning on keeping it for 2-3 years and putting 40,000 up on it and trading up to something newer.

rob316

The only thing that really hurts with that mileage is your resale value, most people just wont buy cars over 100k. Its bull**** I know but the shock from people I got when I said I was buying a car with over 100k was widespread.

I recently put down a deposit on a 4 year old cc with 107k miles, everything checked out and it well looked after but I had a change of heart as I felt in 2 years time when it will have 140 to 150k up on it and I want to change it'll loose a lot of value.

In the end I settled for one with 60k for £1200 more which I'm collecting Saturday and I feel is a better buy and the mileage is considered average.

87k though isn't much at all though and if the price is right go for it.

TitianGerm

rob316 wrote: »

The only thing that really hurts with that mileage is your resale value, most people just wont buy cars over 100k. Its bull**** I know but the shock from people I got when I said I was buying a car with over 100k was widespread.

I recently put down a deposit on a 4 year old cc with 107k miles, everything checked out and it well looked after but I had a change of heart as I felt in 2 years time when it will have 140 to 150k up on it and I want to change it'll loose a lot of value.

In the end I settled for one with 60k for £1200 more which I'm collecting Saturday and I feel is a better buy and the mileage is considered average.

87k though isn't much at all though and if the price is right go for it.

83k so only slightly over 133k km. I don't think it's to bad at all. I will probably be trading in with a garage in the future so will take a bit of a loss.

I'm going to sell my Mazda 3 privately so if I get €1500 for that this Passat will have cost €11500 so even with the mileage creeping up in 3 years I won't have lost as much on a similar Irish car and have gotten a much higher spec than what's available here.

Micky 32

emmetkenny wrote: »

What milage did the ERG and Flywheel get done at? I'm planning on keeping it for 2-3 years and putting 40,000 up on it and trading up to something newer.

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All close to 100k. The 2.0 engine itself is bullet proof.

@Rob i had no problem selling mine with the high mileage on it. Had it sold within 3 days.

TitianGerm

Micky 32 wrote: »

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All close to 100k. The 2.0 engine itself is bullet proof.

@Rob i had no problem selling mine with the high mileage on it. Had it sold within 3 days.

I think a lot of them go around that mileage or am i mixing that up with something else?

Micky 32

emmetkenny wrote: »

I think a lot of them go around that mileage or am i mixing that up with something else?

Think luck of the draw, i have heard egr's failling at 30k, flywheels circa 100k. A friend sold a Passat with 125k and was on original flywheel and egr.

logie101

I've 120k on my Passat 140bhp 2.0 and no problems with Flywheel.

Although mine is a DSG and apparently the auto is less effected by flywheel problems.

Toyotafanboi

emmetkenny wrote: »

I tend to do a few short stop start journeys during the week, probably 6 a day of no more than 10 minutes each but then travel 30 minutes three times a week each way for training with a long journey or two (Wexford to Waterford/Dublin etc) most weekends so I assume a diesel would be fine in the long run?

for 6x 10 minutes stop start journeys a day and 3x 30 minute journeys a week?

A long spin every other weekend will most likely not be enough to maintain your EGR long term as they are prone to failure as is and town driving will obviously by its nature put far more use on the clutch and flywheel than motorway.

Sounds like you need a petrol car tbh. Particularly if you are quite rightly wondering when you will need an EGR or DMF, sooner rather than later I'd say with driving like that.

TitianGerm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

for 6x 10 minutes stop start journeys a day and 3x 30 minute journeys a week?

A long spin every other weekend will most likely not be enough to maintain your EGR long term as they are prone to failure as is and town driving will obviously by its nature put far more use on the clutch and flywheel than motorway.

Sounds like you need a petrol car tbh. Particularly if you are quite rightly wondering when you will need an EGR or DMF, sooner rather than later I'd say with driving like that.

That's just typical driving before any extra added on.

I was in Naas 3 times two weeks ago and Carlow twice last week. I'm due to go to Dublin twice in the next two weeks as well before anything else is booked. I live in Wexford.

It's the short journeys that were concerning me though as I didn't think they'd be good for the engine.

What would the 1.4/1.2 petrol golf in the M6F be like?