Employers not actualising my skillset

Neon_Lights

Hi,

So I've decided I'm sick of the rat race in Ireland, and waiting for my girlfriend to finish her obligations before we pack it in and head to Australia in November.

But to compound this I also cannot bare it at my current employer.

I come from an IT development background and there was so many promises of development opportunities and projects, however these keep on getting reneged in favour of consultants with me doing testing and menial system admin work. I'm actually good at my job and always get praised for coming up with good solutions to mitigate complexity.

What's worse it's they're actually getting creamed by consultants who lead them into more issues and more costs the way they do things. I can't understand the stupidity. And to be honest I think my boss is more of a hobbyist IT pro, who doesn't understand the under the hood, and always goes for the simpler click and drop based solution.

Anyway for my own sanity I think it would be best for me to leave the company. But I'd love to hear people's opinions should I before Oz?

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Cuddlesworth

Large multinational?

Couple of things here.

Your paid to do x and y. The project is z. If you have time to do z, then management would question why you have so much time, when you are hired to do x and y.

Secondly, if a consultant comes in and creates problems, its the consultants fault. If you do a project/implementation and mess up, its you and your managers fault. Problems laid on your manager makes it harder to claim the totem pole. Its a very civil service thought process but happens in larger company's in general.

If you want to do what the consultants do, then apply for consultant jobs.

Neon_Lights

Oh yes, subsidiary of a large multinational.

Oh yeah will definitely be applying for what the consultants do in Oz no question about it, it's the trade off of going for a contract role now before I go, also keeping on good terms with my current employer for references and such.

I think the role is definitely affecting my mental health, and I'm not as bubbly or cheerful as I used to be. The amount of mandated crap that is put hence forth just is off-putting, and I just get down sitting behind a desk for an hour. Not that kind of ugh work, like literally depression and lack of motivation, I get angst being here. I do however need the money.

The role was good to start and promised the world but, as things happen become smeared with middle management crap and false promises.

pilly

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Oh yes, subsidiary of a large multinational.

Oh yeah will definitely be applying for what the consultants do in Oz no question about it, it's the trade off of going for a contract role now before I go, also keeping on good terms with my current employer for references and such.

I think the role is definitely affecting my mental health, and I'm not as bubbly or cheerful as I used to be. The amount of mandated crap that is put hence forth just is off-putting, and I just get down sitting behind a desk for an hour. Not that kind of ugh work, like literally depression and lack of motivation, I get angst being here. I do however need the money.

The role was good to start and promised the world but, as things happen become smeared with middle management crap and false promises.

It is only 9 months though, you'd be surprised how quick that's going to go.

Neon_Lights

pilly wrote: »

It is only 9 months though, you'd be surprised how quick that's going to go.

My thinking on this though would 9 months be better spent in a more appropriate role. All this dithering is holding me back and I think my skills would be put to better use elsewhere.

mycro2013

To be honest it could take you up to a year minimum to land a comparable job in oz as I found out. All of companies will only take Australian work experience into account.

listermint

mycro2013 wrote: »

To be honest it could take you up to a year minimum to land a comparable job in oz as I found out. All of companies will only take Australian work experience into account.

My thoughts exactly.

Many people think the grass is super green. OP I don't see you walking into any contracting roles in Aus without detailed level of contracting work under your belt or preferably with Australian companies or companies with an attachment to there.

Neon_Lights

mycro2013 wrote: »

To be honest it could take you up to a year minimum to land a comparable job in oz as I found out. All of companies will only take Australian work experience into account.

Hardly? As long as it's referancable it should be fine I thought, I've a mate out there as a recruitment consultant so it should be fine.

beauf

I think promising development work, but actually using you for something else is deliberate, to get people to do that work who otherwise wouldn't do it.

If I were you I'd move, you're making no progress where you are.

Neon_Lights

listermint wrote: »

My thoughts exactly.

Many people think the grass is super green. OP I don't see you walking into any contracting roles in Aus without detailed level of contracting work under your belt or preferably with Australian companies or companies with an attachment to there.

This may be true, but am willing to pick up any opportunity I can in this regard.

Mrs OBumble

Do you actually have development work experience? If you do, then I'd say you should have no problem finding a six month contract to keep you busy until November.

But if you just have a degree and lots of bright ideas, then you may know heaps about development, but likely have few clues about what it takes to run a stable IT service for the company long term. Unless you are part of a development team (ie people around to maintain your work once you've fecked off to Oz), then I wouldn't let you code anything either. Except perhaps some automated testing tools - what benefits have you provided in that arena?

Free-2-Flow

I've won awards in my current job who is an International employer, A position of Supervisor came up about 3 months ago so I went for it thinking I had a strong chance.
The position was given to a less qualified and lazy person, I couldn't believe it until I found out the Site manager and him used to work together and still play golf on Sundays.
Ireland and cronyism go hand in hand.

Neon_Lights

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you actually have development work experience? If you do, then I'd say you should have no problem finding a six month contract to keep you busy until November.

But if you just have a degree and lots of bright ideas, then you may know heaps about development, but likely have few clues about what it takes to run a stable IT service for the company long term. Unless you are part of a development team (ie people around to maintain your work once you've fecked off to Oz), then I wouldn't let you code anything either. Except perhaps some automated testing tools - what benefits have you provided in that arena?

Yes I do, as a BI,SQL and Analytics developer have multiple years experience across different platforms

listermint

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Do you actually have development work experience? If you do, then I'd say you should have no problem finding a six month contract to keep you busy until November.

But if you just have a degree and lots of bright ideas, then you may know heaps about development, but likely have few clues about what it takes to run a stable IT service for the company long term. Unless you are part of a development team (ie people around to maintain your work once you've fecked off to Oz), then I wouldn't let you code anything either. Except perhaps some automated testing tools - what benefits have you provided in that arena?

Good question.

listermint

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Yes I do, as a BI,SQL and Analytics developer have multiple years experience across different platforms

We'll look those skillsets are highly sought after. My own place is looking for several SQL developers asap. Should you want to move then let me know it's a very progressive and fast saas company based in Dublin

Neon_Lights

listermint wrote: »

We'll look those skillsets are highly sought after. My own place is looking for several SQL developers asap. Should you want to move then let me know it's a very progressive and fast saas company based in Dublin

Forward on details and I'll definitely consider it

Neon_Lights

I also appreciate everyone's feedback so far and it's definitely helping me look at things from different angles

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Neon_Lights

draiochtanois wrote: »

Your written communication skills are seriously lacking.
And I suspect you get stressed out easily.

Paraphrase that into a well formed and constructive paragraph so

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Ireland and cronyism go hand in hand.

All countries in the world and cronyism go hand in hand.

Fixed that for you, Ireland isn't so special that it only happens here.

Neon_Lights

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Ive a similar skillset to the OP and I hear this a lot but then it turns out they are looking for dba's and people who do transactional SQL query performance optimisation etc...and not actually BI work at all.

The market isnt as lively as youd like to think tbh, Ive been looking around since before xmas and there have only been a small number of roles Id even pay attention to.

The market looks hot but then you get 10 (not Im not joking 10) calls from 10 different recruitment agents - and its all the same role.

Completely get you and it's like the recruiters and the people in the company haven't a clue what they want, and there's generally an I'll defined analytics process and infrastructure in the company when you question them

draiochtanois

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listermint

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Ive a similar skillset to the OP and I hear this a lot but then it turns out they are looking for dba's and people who do transactional SQL query performance optimisation etc...and not actually BI work at all.

The market isnt as lively as youd like to think tbh, Ive been looking around since before xmas and there have only been a small number of roles Id even pay attention to.

The market looks hot but then you get 10 (not Im not joking 10) calls from 10 different recruitment agents - and its all the same role.

There's an element of optimization in all SQL developer roles you won't get away from that . The bi side is only as good as the information you are working with. We have lots of that eithe way off topic.

beauf

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

D..what it takes to run a stable IT service for the company long term...

What do you mean by IT Service in this context?

beauf

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I think agencies have always done that. When I was contracting you had to filter out all the generic descriptions and work out which ones were different. They tended to be the geniune jobs. There were far less of them.

pilly

draiochtanois wrote: »

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I completely agreed with you until you said "dis"! Not exactly a real word.

The title of the thread OP immediately comes across as someone who's full of their own importance.

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draiochtanois

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beauf

pilly wrote: »

I completely agreed with you until you said "dis"! Not exactly a real word.

The title of the thread OP immediately comes across as someone who's full of their own importance.

No entirely sure why dis is not ok, but OP is. or why the use of Dis changes the substance of the topic.

People changing a job because they don't feel their skillset is being used, or maintained, is a common reason for people leaving.

pilly

beauf wrote: »

No entirely sure why dis is not ok, but OP is. or why the use of Dis changes the substance of the topic.

People changing a job because they don't feel their skillset is being used, or maintained, is a common reason for people leaving.

My point was to the previous poster who was criticising OP's writing skills and then used the word dis, that's all.

I agree people change jobs for that reason but the phrasing of it as "actualising my skillset" is a lot more uppity than the way you've described it.

beauf

An awkward topic title does not invalid the discussion. IMO. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition grammar police for every comment on a thread....

beauf

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I think its quite common. Its often very hard to move out of a role into another in the same company if that company, isn't very progressive and pigeon holes people in their current job.

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