UK to introduce Scrappage scheme for Diesels.

pa990

http://www.whatcar.com/news/diesel-scrappage-scheme-may-be-on-the-way/


No doubt simi, will be pushing for something similar here.

Special Circumstances

pa990 wrote: »

http://www.whatcar.com/news/diesel-scrappage-scheme-may-be-on-the-way/


No doubt simi, will be pushing for something similar here.

Just like the UK’s first scrappage scheme introduced in 2009, the diesel one is likely to offer a cashback payment or discount to motorists who trade in highly polluting models for ones with lower emissions


Fake news IMHO.

Which are the higher polluting models? They don't know. Nobody knows because there is no testing of ACTUAL real world pollutants. They only have the same bullshed MOT smoke test we have and the same initial wishy washy "conforms to EU regs and produces Xg of awful awful awful CO2 per wanky test cycle" CO2 rating.

So..... they can engage in a massive retrospective testing process or just offer a blanket "give up your oul diesel" scheme. The suggestion that it could be targeted is fake news.

Conspiracy time... it might all be a brexit play. I don't think anyone would deny that in terms of diesel passenger car and light commercial engines the European manufacturers are ahead of the game, but that the playing field is a lot more level for petrol engines. So... threatening to swing people away from diesel could be seen to be to be threatening to reduce French/German profits from UK car sales?

Yes its a bit of reach but it's at least as plausible as retrospectively real world testing actual pollutants emitted by every diesel car model from the last 15 years.

colm_mcm

Plenty takers for them here, as long as they're post 08

Del2005

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Conspiracy time... it might all be a brexit play. I don't think anyone would deny that in terms of diesel passenger car and light commercial engines the European manufacturers are ahead of the game, but that the playing field is a lot more level for petrol engines. So... threatening to swing people away from diesel could be seen to be to be threatening to reduce French/German profits from UK car sales?

Good theory if the Europeans were sticking with diesel and the UK had some mastery of petrol, or even had a UK vehicle manufacturer.

The Europeans have also discovered that there is no clean diesel and are even starting to restrict petrol cars in some cities.


http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/law-change-for-uk-drivers-in-french-cities/

thierry14

colm_mcm wrote: »

Plenty takers for them here, as long as they're post 08

Would be madness though, post 08 are perfectly good cars.

I have a 04 1.9tdi that runs without issue, they would have to offer me a good scrap deal to get rid of it

5k minimum and then what do I buy that will spare me money?

Difference in economy between a Hybrid like a Prius is negligible, a side ways step really, pointless.

EV like the new Hyundai Ioniq still can't do 2 hours straight at motorways speeds without running out a juice, too much of a head ache.

will spare money alright but won't have a proper car.

The Chevy Bolt would suit, but it looks like a 17k Fiesta, not available here

pajor

If they have any sense with this scheme, it will be factored by how much particulates a car pollutes rather than CO2. Then any older diesel car without a DPF would probably qualify.

Leonard Hofstadter

I presume this scheme will not allow motorists to buy a new diesel, otherwise it totally defeats the purpose.

Mind you, considering the incompetency of the Brits on things like Brexit, nothing would surprise me....

KCross

thierry14 wrote: »

Would be madness though, post 08 are perfectly good cars.

I have a 04 1.9tdi that runs without issue, they would have to offer me a good scrap deal to get rid of it

5k minimum and then what do I buy that will spare me money?

Difference in economy between a Hybrid like a Prius is negligible, a side ways step really, pointless.

EV like the new Hyundai Ioniq still can't do 2 hours straight at motorways speeds without running out a juice, too much of a head ache.

will spare money alright but won't have a proper car.

The Chevy Bolt would suit, but it looks like a 17k Fiesta, not available here

The point of it though is to reduce emissions, not CO2, but the other bad stuff coming out the back. Your '04 might be running fine but it's still polluting.

Del2005

pajor wrote: »

If they have any sense with this scheme, it will be factored by how much particulates a car pollutes rather than CO2. Then any older diesel car without a DPF would probably qualify.

The majority of cars would qualify if it was based on having a DPF, how many unsuitable diesels bought by people have the DPF bashed out to solve the problem of driving the wrong engine.

pa990

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Just like the UK’s first scrappage scheme introduced in 2009, the diesel one is likely to offer a cashback payment or discount to motorists who trade in highly polluting models for ones with lower emissions


Fake news IMHO.

Which are the higher polluting models? They don't know. Nobody knows because there is no testing of ACTUAL real world pollutants. They only have the same bullshed MOT smoke test we have and the same initial wishy washy "conforms to EU regs and produces Xg of awful awful awful CO2 per wanky test cycle" CO2 rating.

.....

I presume that anything Euro 3 or before would classed as polluting

Special Circumstances

pa990 wrote: »

I presume that anything Euro 3 or before would classed as polluting

What's the point in a scrappage scheme to remove polluting diesels if the only distinction between polluting and non polluting is a wishy washy easy manipulated (with ZERO repercussions) test that doesn't reflect the real world driving at all?

What's the point in brexit if they are going to keep the sh1t euro rules and regulations?

Special Circumstances

Del2005 wrote: »

Good theory if the Europeans were sticking with diesel and the UK had some mastery of petrol, or even had a UK vehicle manufacturer.

Wat







Why does even one of these conditions have to apply before the UK could threaten to turn people off sending money to Germany and France for cars?

pa990

Special Circumstances wrote: »

What's the point in a scrappage scheme to remove polluting diesels if the only distinction between polluting and non polluting is a wishy washy easy manipulated (with ZERO repercussions) test that doesn't reflect the real world driving at all?

What's the point in brexit if they are going to keep the sh1t euro rules and regulations?

Increased sales.. increased tax income

Special Circumstances

pa990 wrote: »

Increased sales.. increased tax income

That's what I said - Fake news.

Scrappage scheme cannot be focused on "most polluting" diesels as there is no data on which diesels are most polluting.

gctest50

colm_mcm wrote: »

Plenty takers for them here, as long as they're post 08

not if they scrap them properly :

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