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Old English Sheepdog Pup - How much to walk her

  • 02-02-2017 1:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭


    So we have a 15 week old OES. We have been walking her twice a day for around 40-50 mins each time. Vet said its ok and that she will stop if she is tired. But, after getting her seen by a personal trainer he said it way too much. Thing is she is wrecked after her walk in the evening and that suits us (selfish I know) as she gets into a relaxed mode. Hard to get a definite answer anywhere online so hoping there are people out there that have experience raising this breed of dog. I imagine simialr sized dogs that grow just as quick would be similar too.

    Other than that she is great, kept inside, pees the odd time on the newspaper we have set out, lets us know if she needs to go outside etc. Great on the lead too


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭sillysmiles


    I've never had a puppy, but from what I've read on here it's 5mins per month of age until fully grown.

    The other thing is that it is recommended to not leave paper etc inside for them to pee on, if you want them toilet trained you have to get up and take them out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    What are you feeding her out of interest? Often puppies are hyper because of their food e.g. Hills?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    I've never had a puppy, but from what I've read on here it's 5mins per month of age until fully grown.

    The other thing is that it is recommended to not leave paper etc inside for them to pee on, if you want them toilet trained you have to get up and take them out.
    So maybe just leave the paper and she will realise it is not ok to go inside? When we are there she paws the door if she needs to go so I think it is an issue of she just can't hold it. Im not there 2 days a week so she can only be left out every 4 hours (people calling over to walk, put her out). Hoping to move her outside when we are not there but just need to sort out proper shelter and conditions etc. first
    tk123 wrote: »
    What are you feeding her out of interest? Often puppies are hyper because of their food e.g. Hills?
    Feeding her Red Mills Mother and Puppy, has it in the morning and the evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    It's 5 minutes per month of age per day. So from next week that's 20 minutes per day in total. That's the guideline for all breeds but it's extremely important for larger and heavier breeds as these dogs are more suceptable to joint issues later on. Over exercise as pups puts to much stress on growing bones and joints. If your pup is being walked to exhaustion this is very bad.

    Obedience, trick training and brain games will help with excess energy and you'll have a well trained dog as a by-product. It's worth noting though that all puppies have lots of energy and that's what you sign up to when you get one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭andreac


    That's far too much exercise for a baby. That's nearly an hour twice a day. I wouldn't even walk my adult rotties that far.

    As someone else said, the rule is 5 mins per month of age per day.

    Shorter walks and broken up are better instead of 2 long ones.

    Try doing obedience to tire her mentally instead of physically. You risk doing damage to bones and joints with that much exercise.

    Also, i would get rid of the paper. That's just confusing for the pup. Start as you mean to go on. No newspaper and straight outside to pee :-)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Thanks for all the advice, walks will be reduced from here on in. She is full of energy out walking but she gets pretty tired after them. The vet has a lot of explaining to do to be honest. We only started getting obedience training so that is actually pretty fun and rewarding for both of us. She was drained after it yesterday after her first 1 hour session. Close to a beach too and if she spends 15 minutes down there it seems to drain her out without being taxing on her body.
    Regarding the toilet training, we know she can hold it as she has spend 3 nights in a row holding it for around 7-8 hours. Newspaper is just for show anyway because it just seeps through regardless, so will try and get rid of that tonight too and see if that works.

    And yes I am well aware of what we signed up too, as first time dog owners we just want to do it right :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭andreac


    You can't know everything. Everyone starts off somewhere and learn as you go. Just think of your puppy like a child in the sense that they are learning too and it takes time, doesn't happen over night.

    Plus that's all the fun of it too. Both of you learning together.

    It could take up to 6 or 8 months to fully toilet train some puppies but if you put in the work now it will pay off.

    Yes lots of obedience games etc are great for tiring a puppy out. Make sure to introduce her to lots of different things now while she's young. Bring her to lots of different surroundings and meet lots of people and other dogs now.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    I can't help but notice that you haven't posted a pic of her yet OP :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Will get one up later ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Oh lordy :o
    Do they get any cuter? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭jellybear


    She is STUNNING!! Like a little teddy bear :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Thanks, she is fantastic and has brains to burn. Nearly too smart for us at times :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭too little too late


    Hey, i have her twin :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Hey, i have her twin :D

    Gorgeous, why don't they stay fluffy and black forever :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Quick question, whats people take on leaving a dog outside for the day while their owners are at work? She is on her own maximum four hours during the day while me and my partner are at work. She is in a medium sized space in the kitchen. I just think she will be able to amuse herself a bit more during the day if she is outside playing with balls, toys etc. 

    While I am not working she has the house with me and she is fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Vel


    No chance would I leave any dog outside in the garden when I am not home due to risk of theft, risk of escape, risk of injury etc. All dogs left outside are at risk of theft but I'd imagine a pup such as yours, being a pedigree breed would be very attractive to a dog thief.

    Dogs don't tend to amuse themselves for hours in the garden while you aren't there. If she is happy being inside, I'd leave her there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    So she is around 22 weeks old now, just over 5 months. Getting on great and leaving her outside more due to teh nice weather. We have had four nights in a row where she was on her own for more than 8 hours and no pee when we went down to her. But she is still peeing when left for a few hours on her own during the day. Exact same spot everytime and we have the newspapers up for a long time now. Any suggestions? Or just hope she grows out of it eventually? We give her no attention when the place is wet and loads when it is dry. Really dont want to take water up from her either giving their coat they can get very warm during the day.

    She also gets extremely excited around other dogs why out walking, we let them play most of the time but 99/100 she just overpowers most dogs, another puppy phase??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    414540.jpgShes getting bigger and just had her first trim


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭aonb


    OP, just one comment to make, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont leave your puppy in your garden when there is no one home. The number of stolen dogs - from gardens but also FROM INSIDE PEOPLES HOUSES - these days is horrific. A cutie like yours would be a target for sure. Shes a puppy and un-nuetered making her an even more attractive target. I cant stress enough how scared I would be for a dog to be left outdoors with no one home, dogs are being stolen every day of the week. These people are watching dogs being walked - they are following people with their dogs to see where they live - this is a very real threat. Sorry, rant over, had to comment, just in case you arent aware of how big an issue dog theft is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Bells21


    tbayers wrote:
    So she is around 22 weeks old now, just over 5 months. Getting on great and leaving her outside more due to teh nice weather. We have had four nights in a row where she was on her own for more than 8 hours and no pee when we went down to her. But she is still peeing when left for a few hours on her own during the day. Exact same spot everytime and we have the newspapers up for a long time now. Any suggestions? Or just hope she grows out of it eventually? We give her no attention when the place is wet and loads when it is dry. Really dont want to take water up from her either giving their coat they can get very warm during the day.


    You say she's peeing in the same spot, what cleaner have you been using to get rid? A biological cleaner is the best thing to be cleaning a pee spot with. Also, just about leaving her alone, she is a big target. She's a not so common breed, an un-neutered puppy and pure bred, I'd be very concerned that she could easily be picked up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    One of those standard bleech free spray cleaners. Will def try a biological one. Any examples. Duly noted regarding leaving her on her own outside, we are going to stop doing it and keep her inside when we are away, which is not too often thankfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Bells21


    tbayers wrote:
    One of those standard bleech free spray cleaners. Will def try a biological one. Any examples. Duly noted regarding leaving her on her own outside, we are going to stop doing it and keep her inside when we are away, which is not too often thankfully.

    I've not had to use one but if you check your local supermarket they may well have one in stock. Your dog is clearly very much loved and i can only imagine the distress it would cause if anyone got their hands on her. Unfortunately, the times we live in mean we can never be too careful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,737 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Bio washing liquid will do the job too.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    I know it seems confusing that she can hold on for 8 hours at night, but not during the day. However, if you think about it, our own diurnal rhythms dictate that we need to pee vastly more times during daylight and waking hours than when we do when asleep at night.
    At 5.5 months, I wouldn't expect her to hold it in for much longer than 2-3 hours, tops. The fact that she keeps going in the one spot indicates that she's *trying* to do the right thing, she's trying to be clean.
    You're looking at 7-8 months before she can reasonably be expected to hold on during the day for longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Rommie


    tbayers wrote: »
    Feeding her Red Mills Mother and Puppy, has it in the morning and the evening.

    Not sure if anyone else commented on this, but I would definitely get her off the mother and puppy. It's a cereal based food with little meat, she'd be better off on a much higher quality of food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Rommie wrote: »
    Not sure if anyone else commented on this, but I would definitely get her off the mother and puppy. It's a cereal based food with little meat, she'd be better off on a much higher quality of food


    This is very interesting, again though this was some of the best out there looking arbors contents compared to other "puopy" food. Sorry for asking again bit suggestions??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭Rommie


    tbayers wrote: »
    This is very interesting, again though this was some of the best out there looking arbors contents compared to other "puopy" food. Sorry for asking again bit suggestions??

    Is it the Red Mills Engage mother and puppy, or just their standard one? The engage is a higher quality food than the standard one


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Ye it is Engage. The breeder did say to come off it when her stools become runny and they have been the last few days on and off. Said there will be too much protein so scouring the internet to see what a good alternative will be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    tbayers wrote: »
    Ye it is Engage. The breeder did say to come off it when her stools become runny and they have been the last few days on and off. Said there will be too much protein so scouring the internet to see what a good alternative will be.

    Did the breeder not recommend that you just move up to the junior, or whatever it is called in that range, for puppies of her age?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    muddypaws wrote: »
    tbayers wrote: »
    Ye it is Engage. The breeder did say to come off it when her stools become runny and they have been the last few days on and off. Said there will be too much protein so scouring the internet to see what a good alternative will be.

    Did the breeder not recommend that you just move up to the junior, or whatever it is called in that range, for puppies of her age?
    Never said, must ask them,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Knine


    tbayers wrote: »
    Never said, must ask them,

    I'm probably in the minority but I don't feed puppy food after a couple of mths old. I just put them on adult. I find they grow slower but mature nicer.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Knine wrote: »
    I'm probably in the minority but I don't feed puppy food after a couple of mths old. I just put them on adult. I find they grow slower but mature nicer.

    I'm with knine on this one.
    Also, unless there are health issues and once you're over the first couple of months, you simply cannot give a dog too much protein. It's a myth that it makes them hyper. They're carnivores. Protein is their bread and butter :)


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