What are you paying for your Night Rate electricity?

n97 mini

6.2c + Vat with SSE Airtricity. Electricity only, gas with Flogas.

unkel

n97 mini wrote: »

6.2c + Vat with SSE Airtricity. Electricity only, gas with Flogas.

Let's do incl. VAT prices. So you are on 7.04c night, 14.22c day and st. charge €171.37 per year. Very good rates!

I'm with Panda (El. only, gas with Flogas), my contract ends in June iirc, I always switch to the cheapest supplier and the cheapest option there is, direct debit, no bills, etc.

8.08c night / 16.65c day and standing charge per year €191.84

isnottheword

Is there an initial one-off charge to have the nightsaver meter installed? And those standing charges you quote are taking full account of night rate i.e. if I understand it correctly, there's an increased standing charge for nightrate?

NIMAN

isnottheword wrote: »

Is there an initial one-off charge to have the nightsaver meter installed? And those standing charges you quote are taking full account of night rate i.e. if I understand it correctly, there's an increased standing charge for nightrate?

That where I had heard of the €50 charge before, and why I asked it on another thread.

Was wondering if it was a one-ff charge of 50 to get nightsaver activated, or if there was a 50c annual charge to continue using nightsaver rate.

unkel

isnottheword wrote: »

Is there an initial one-off charge to have the nightsaver meter installed? And those standing charges you quote are taking full account of night rate i.e. if I understand it correctly, there's an increased standing charge for nightrate?

No and yes. Night meter is installed completely free by ESB networks (contact your own provider to get them to organise it). Then your day rate and your standing charge will go up, but your night rate is roughly half your day rate

For my rates, using the national average annual consumption of 5,300kWh, you break even when you use about 3 units at night rate per 24h

Get a night meter! Crazy to own an EV an not have one. Say you use an average of 15kWh per day for your Leaf, then your savings are roughly €400 per year (provided you already break even on the night meter without the EV)

unkel

My annual standing charge went up by €34 and my day rate went up by 1c per kWh...

n97 mini

isnottheword wrote: »

Is there an initial one-off charge to have the nightsaver meter installed? And those standing charges you quote are taking full account of night rate i.e. if I understand it correctly, there's an increased standing charge for nightrate?

Short version: no. Long version: you'll be fed all sorts of crap but ESBN don't charge anything at all ever to change your billing. If your provider tells you there is a cost to switch to/from night rate stick to your guns and insist there is not.

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

Let's do incl. VAT prices. So you are on 7.04c night, 14.22c day and st. charge €171.37 per year. Very good rates!

I'm with Panda (El. only, gas with Flogas), my contract ends in June iirc, I always switch to the cheapest supplier and the cheapest option there is, direct debit, no bills, etc.

8.08c night / 16.65c day and standing charge per year €191.84

Your bill shows the ex VAT rate, which is added then to everything at the end. Easier to compare ex VAT rates, but if you want to quote the inc price we'll figure it out

unkel

It's easy as all the online prices from all companies list both (that's how I looked your figures up )

Also bonkers.ie which most people use to compare providers, quote all their figures and rates incl. VAT

And the rates incl. VAT are what you actually pay. We can work with those figures calculating what our EVs cost us in electricity.

n97 mini

Many plans are no longer available so you can't look them up online. But we all get a bill.

Whose thread is this anyway!? :-p

Board Gais Level Pay

17 C day

8 C night

All inc VAT,

+ Free work Charging ! :-)

unkel

Annual standing charge, Mad_Lad?

15.15c Day
7.50c Night
Standing charge: €194.16/y
SSE Airtricity (inc VAT)

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Annual standing charge, Mad_Lad?

Can't rem to be honest. Paid back in the first week anyway if I remember correctly lol.

KCross

Im with Airtricity

Standing Charge inc Vat
Urban Nightmeter: €194
Rural Nightmeter: €236

15.17c/7.51c inc Vat


No offence intended but does the thread serve any useful purpose? The providers change their deals ALL the time and thats exactly why bonkers.ie exists. You plug in your data and it tells you the best deal for your exact circumstances.

slave1

Deleted User wrote: »

Board Gais Level Pay

17 C day

8 C night

All inc VAT,

+ Free work Charging ! :-)

Snap, also got a free €100 credit when I signed up and I use our Tesco vouchers to get 50% e.g. €2.50 of Tesco Clubcard vouchers = €5.00 of Bord Gais credit.
Will move after a year, get an incentive to join somebody else and then go back to BG year after, they say the new incentives are first time takers but I've got them off Airtricity and BG twice now

cros13

Energia Clever Electricity
13.88c/kWh day
6.05c/kWh night (0.53c ex VAT discount due to multi-property account, standard rate on this plan is 6.65c/kWh)
€197.99 standing charge for my urban meter
€251.88 on my rural meters

All inc. VAT

jprboy

cros13 wrote: »

Energia Clever Electricity
13.88c/kWh day
6.05c/kWh night (0.53c ex VAT discount due to multi-property account, standard rate on this plan is 6.65c/kWh)
€197.99 standing charge for my urban meter
€251.88 on my rural meters

All inc. VAT

Was looking at Energia Clever Electricity yesterday and there's a condition where if you exceed 2,000kWh night usage every two months you will be charged 11.18c Inc VAT.

Does this apply to you?

cros13

jprboy wrote: »

Was looking at Energia Clever Electricity yesterday and there's a condition where if you exceed 2,000kWh night usage every two months you will be charged 11.18c Inc VAT.

Does this apply to you?

Nope, and I didn't see that in the T&Cs when I read them.

I have two properties that use around 10,000kWh per year total. Both have a 40/60 split in consumption between day / nightsaver.
The average Irish home would only use about 5,000kWh/year total.
It would be very hard to consume 1000kWh/month on nightsaver unless you were charging 3-4 cars doing a reasonable amount of mileage.... or charging a bus. That's up to about 8000km of driving per month.

The average home use "only" 5,000 Kwh a year ? yeah ?

My consumption before the leaf was about 2,000 Kwh, now about 5,000.

cros13

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The average home use "only" 5,000 Kwh a year ? yeah ?

CER says 5,300kWh for the typical to be used for comparison, yup.
https://www.cer.ie/document-detail/Review-of-Typical-Domestic-Consumption-Values-for-Electricity-and-Gas-Customers/1124

The latest real data is from 2011 and puts annual residential consumption per person living in the state at 1815kWh.

Wow, that's a lot of leccy, wtf ? no way we consume this without the Leaf !

cros13

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow, that's a lot of leccy, wtf ? no way we consume this without the Leaf !

Take a look at the reading on my meter and the commissioning date

yannakis

Deleted User wrote: »

unkel wrote: »

Annual standing charge, Mad_Lad?

Can't rem to be honest. Paid back in the first week anyway if I remember correctly lol.

We seem to have the same plan - standing charge is €0.4742/day. I believe the prices are excluding VAT:

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

CER says 5,300kWh for the typical to be used for comparison, yup.
https://www.cer.ie/document-detail/Review-of-Typical-Domestic-Consumption-Values-for-Electricity-and-Gas-Customers/1124

The latest real data is from 2011 and puts annual residential consumption per person living in the state at 1815kWh.

Inside that paper itself they give up to date figures from 2015. Depending on whether you are urban or rural or 24hr or day/night you obviously get different figures but the majority in the country are urban 24hr so the average there is about 3500kWh/year.

k123456

Broadly speaking, assuming you don't run wash machine, dryer , appliances etc at night
Approx How often would you need to charge 24kw leaf to make night saver worthwhile
Daily, every 2nd day etc ?

ted1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow, that's a lot of leccy, wtf ? no way we consume this without the Leaf !

Some homes have Elec heating which brings up the average

n97 mini

k123456 wrote: »

Broadly speaking, assuming you don't run wash machine, dryer , appliances etc at night
Approx How often would you need to charge 24kw leaf to make night saver worthwhile
Daily, every 2nd day etc ?

They say at least 3kw/h per night, or 21kw/h per week. So one full charge and you're just about over the threshold. Any more than that and you're winning.

n97 mini

ted1 wrote: »

Some homes have Elec heating which brings up the average

I know someone with a large one-off down the country who's on ground source heat pump and his consumption is around 16,500 kw/h per year.

KCross

k123456 wrote: »

Broadly speaking, assuming you don't run wash machine, dryer , appliances etc at night
Approx How often would you need to charge 24kw leaf to make night saver worthwhile
Daily, every 2nd day etc ?

I think if you use about 3 units, on average, every night it pays for itself.

So, based on that if you charged once a week from 0-100% it would about pay for it.

Basically, if you have an EV you get night rate electricity... its a no brainer.

Also bear in mind, even if you dont have appliances specifically timed for night rate you will still be using electricity on night rate anyway particularly if you get up early and boil the kettle and have an electric shower or heat the immersion before night rate finishes.

EDIT: @n97_mini... snap. You beat me to it!

cros13

k123456 wrote:

Broadly speaking, assuming you don't run wash machine, dryer , appliances etc at night Approx How often would you need to charge 24kw leaf to make night saver worthwhile Daily, every 2nd day etc ?

That would be dependent on how much you drive not on how often you charge.

The rule of thumb is that you'd need an average of 30% of your consumption during the nightsaver hours to break even. Most people would be above or be fairly close to that even before adding the car.

With an EV or PHEV unless you are working night shifts I can't envisage any situation where a nightsaver meter wouldn't be cheaper.

k123456

"Also bear in mind, even if you dont have appliances specifically timed for night rate "

if the appliances dont timers built in, is a there third party timer, which can be used to control the actual run time of applainces

unkel

cros13 wrote: »

The rule of thumb is that you'd need an average of 30% of your consumption during the nightsaver hours to break even.

Bad rule of thumb!

You need about 3 kWh per day during the nightsaver hours to break even. Regardless of your total consumption or the percentage of your consumption at night

I have a night meter for just over a week now. I consciously put on the dishwasher once after 11PM (it runs about 4 times a week) and also the washing machine once after 11PM (it runs about 5 or 6 times a week). Household of 5, no electric shower or heating. We do use a condenser dryer (not that often, maybe 2 hours a week) but only used it during the day.

I'm breaking even or a bit better

So all my EV charging will be done at the cheaper night rate once I get my EV...

unkel

Apologies, I did get that wrong - and I've only done the sums a few days ago

Your day rate generally goes up, so it is dependent on your total consumption. I used the last official Irish average figure of 5,300kWh used per year per household to come to the break even point of 3 kWh per night (20%). If your consumption is less than that figure (and I believe a lot of households use less these days), then the break even point comes quicker. I.e. if your annual consumption is 3,500kWh, you break even at about 2 kWh per day during nightsaver hours (25%)

YMMV on the rates you pay so you need to do your own sums...

I find 5,300 Kwh pretty high usage considering mine was about 2,000 before the Leaf, it's only about 5,300 now with the Leaf !

unkel

But you were a miser on fuel when you had the Prius. I bet there's also a bit of hypermiling with the old electricity going on in your house

I knew how to drive the Prius that's what made the real difference, but yeah I do drive the Leaf a lot harder mainly because electricity is so cheap that I couldn't care less and it has the range for most of my needs. Not that I drove the Prius easy I just drive the Leaf quiet hard, not all the time of course but a lot more than I would have most other ICE cars to be honest.

I don't waste leccy, best thing I did was throw out the 8.5 Kw electric shower, it was by far the greatest energy waster in the house not thinking about all the hot water going to waste in the hot water cylinder heated by the oil.....anyway have a pumped only shower now and it's far better.

Don't have a dishwasher in this house but will have one in the next house shortly.

ted1

n97 mini wrote: »

I know someone with a large one-off down the country who's on ground source heat pump and his consumption is around 16,500 kw/h per year.

Ouch, the house is either roasting , freaking massive (with poor insulation) or the system is set up wrong

n97 mini

ted1 wrote: »

Ouch, the house is either roasting , freaking massive (with poor insulation) or the system is set up wrong

Around 5100 sq ft. Ironically it's around 3.6 times the size of ours which is heated by gas (and gas for cooking) and then electricity for appliances but his electricity bill is 5 times what our combined gas+elelectric bills are.

Natural gas ftw, btw. Best thing I ever did was get the house split into 3 zones (up/down/water) when we got the 96% efficient boiler to replace the old single zone 65% efficient system. Gas bills now rarely exceed 70 Euro.

At the time I looked at micro CHP boilers. There were a few looking promising in the UK that could generate around 3kw of electricity but they didn't happen for us ultimately.