Internet from house to parlour

trixi2011

Anyone set up internet in their milking parlour without getting a phoneline in?Have wifi at my house which is only a few 100 metres away and has unobstructed line of vision to the building. Theres no mobile reception at the milking parlour so that's not an option.

The Cuban

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-Ubiquiti-Nanostation-M5-5GHz-Outdoor-Wireless-Access-Point-NSM5-with-POE-/122090546125?hash=item1c6d29e3cd:g:~skAAOSwq19XDPZJ
you need 2 of them, plus another wifi router for the parlour

orm0nd

The Cuban wrote: »

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-Ubiquiti-Nanostation-M5-5GHz-Outdoor-Wireless-Access-Point-NSM5-with-POE-/122090546125?hash=item1c6d29e3cd:g:~skAAOSwq19XDPZJ
you need 2 of them, plus another wifi router for the parlour

you should'nt need a second router in the parlour for wi fi , if you use the 2.4 Ghz version.

https://www.senetic.ie/product/NSM2

also the 2.4 Ghz is better if there are any trees or buildings in line , set the bandwith to 20Mhz , just make sure it's on a differnt channel that the house wifi

Timmaay

The Cuban wrote: »

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-Ubiquiti-Nanostation-M5-5GHz-Outdoor-Wireless-Access-Point-NSM5-with-POE-/122090546125?hash=item1c6d29e3cd:g:~skAAOSwq19XDPZJ
you need 2 of them, plus another wifi router for the parlour

Fixed line Internet here is rubbish (0.25meg upload...), and no mobile signal, however there is decent 4g at the pump house which is 250m away, I used 2 of the above to bring the WiFi from a 4g router in the pump house to my house, the only thing I could not get a WiFi router to send the signal around the house, I ended up having to use a 3rd nanostation as the house WiFi router.

The one thing I will say is the ubiquitis can be tricky to setup, there are wayyy too many different firmware versions, the setup instructions provided in the box are largely useless, plenty of what seem like very good tutorials online for then but 1/2 way through the setup you realize that your nano has a newer firmware with different settings etc!!

OverRide

Way too much trouble in the above,if the following can be done

If there's decent 3G or better 4G reception outside the parlour door,just leave any android phone out there with a decent data allowance and turn on its mobile hotspot
That will get into the parlour,so connect any device to it there ,the android phones hotspot will show up in the wifi networks of your other phone laptop or tablet in the parlour,so just connect to that the same as any other wifi network

The hotspot should cover 10 to 15 metres handy enough so you can trial and error pick the spot outside with the best signal
Vodafone are usually best 4G wise
Use a pay as you go sim in a cheap android as Apple phones tell the network you're using the hotspot (and some charge extra or try to for the hotspot use)
Android phones do not tell your network that they're using the hotspot

satstheway

OverRide wrote: »

Way too much trouble in the above,if the following can be done

If there's decent 3G or better 4G reception outside the parlour door,just leave any android phone out there with a decent data allowance and turn on its mobile hotspot
That will get into the parlour,so connect any device to it there ,the android phones hotspot will show up in the wifi networks of your other phone laptop or tablet in the parlour,so just connect to that the same as any other wifi network

The hotspot should cover 10 to 15 metres handy enough so you can trial and error pick the spot outside with the best signal
Vodafone are usually best 4G wise
Use a pay as you go sim in a cheap android as Apple phones tell the network you're using the hotspot (and some charge extra or try to for the hotspot use)
Android phones do not tell your network that they're using the hotspot

Or use a B315 router or similar with external antenna fitted on shed externally.

Timmaay

http://touch.boards.ie/forum/1147

Useful subforum above on the whole "midband" Internet service.

patsy_mccabe

I set up 2 'Nanostation M2 ' from Ubiquiti about 5 years ago for the calving camera about 100 m away and it never gave one bit of trouble.

orm0nd

Timmaay wrote: »

Fixed line Internet here is rubbish (0.25meg upload...), and no mobile signal, however there is decent 4g at the pump house which is 250m away, I used 2 of the above to bring the WiFi from a 4g router in the pump house to my house, the only thing I could not get a WiFi router to send the signal around the house, I ended up having to use a 3rd nanostation as the house WiFi router.

The one thing I will say is the ubiquitis can be tricky to setup, there are wayyy too many different firmware versions, the setup instructions provided in the box are largely useless, plenty of what seem like very good tutorials online for then but 1/2 way through the setup you realize that your nano has a newer firmware with different settings etc!!

Download the firmware and use the same version on all units, it doesnt matter what version you use' as long as they're the same .
There's a guy ( named Chris) on You Tube that posts under Crosstalk Solutions that knows what's he'e talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ke3OAJ8o

he has many more videos as well

orm0nd

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I set up 2 'Nanostation M2 ' from Ubiquiti about 5 years ago for the calving camera about 100 m away and it never gave one bit of trouble.

we fitted for 3 neighbours last year, and no problems, they paid for the kit & we charged a small fee for our time, which in turn was passed on to charity

patsy_mccabe

This is the video I followed at the time. Simple 'bridge to bridge' set up. Money well spent, I can tell you.;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__xzHnK6IVs&list=PL56C4B64B4D98EFF6

The Cuban

orm0nd wrote: »

you should'nt need a second router in the parlour for wi fi , if you use the 2.4 Ghz version.

https://www.senetic.ie/product/NSM2

also the 2.4 Ghz is better if there are any trees or buildings in line , set the bandwith to 20Mhz , just make sure it's on a differnt channel that the house wifi

You are wrong Patsy, you do need a wifi router in the parlor connected to the nanostation. The nanostation itself does not have wifi, it just has 2 Ethernet LAN (RJ-45) ports. Which makes me wonder, have you actually got this installed yourself or are you just bull****ting LOL

Timmaay

The Cuban wrote: »

You are wrong Patsy, you do need a wifi router in the parlor connected to the nanostation. The nanostation itself does not have wifi, it just has 2 Ethernet LAN (RJ-45) ports. Which makes me wonder, have you actually got this installed yourself or are you just bull****ting LOL

Defo a total bullsh1ter... But Nay I'm fairly sure he meant just use one nanostation which will broadcast a fully working WiFi connection in the parlour direction (has to be in the 2.4 Ghz range for phones etc to connect to). All it is is a directional antenna for the house router basically, you connect all your devices directly to the nanostation on the house. The one problem with doing this will be any concrete walls etc in the parlour, the nanostation needs to be strong enough to make both the range and punch though any walls. I used a slightly cheaper nanostation Loco, which has a lower power, does the job fine but I'm a little sorry I didn't just pay the 20e extra for the full nanostations. Then again I suppose I don't wanna be broadcasting my WiFi around to all the neighbours ha.

Timmaay

orm0nd wrote: »

Download the firmware and use the same version on all units, it doesnt matter what version you use' as long as they're the same .
There's a guy ( named Chris) on You Tube that posts under Crosstalk Solutions that knows what's he'e talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ke3OAJ8o

he has many more videos as well

Yeh I remember spending ages going through several different tutorials etc, part the problem was the firmware on the Nanos I got was newer than in most the tutorials. My problem turned out to be one checkbox which should not have been ticked, took me days and days to get it working. And I'd be reasonably tidy at troubleshooting problems as such. All totally worth it to be able to have real broadband, but I'm just making the point that I wouldn't call it plug and play and in my case was fairly tricky to get working.

The Cuban

No the op stated that the wifi is a few hundred meters away. While the nanostaion may broadcast the wifi the user at the parlor would not be able to communicate back over that distance. think of it like this, you could hear someone talking through a loudspeaker a few hundred meters away but he will not be able to hear your reply unless you have a loudspeaker to talk back to him with. Hence the need for 2 nanostations, set up as an access point bridge then a wifi router at the parlour end

orm0nd

The Cuban wrote: »

You are wrong Patsy, you do need a wifi router in the parlor connected to the nanostation. The nanostation itself does not have wifi, it just has 2 Ethernet LAN (RJ-45) ports. Which makes me wonder, have you actually got this installed yourself or are you just bull****ting LOL

Timmaay wrote: »

Defo a total bullsh1ter... But Nay I'm fairly sure he meant just use one nanostation which will broadcast a fully working WiFi connection in the parlour direction (has to be in the 2.4 Ghz range for phones etc to connect to). All it is is a directional antenna for the house router basically, you connect all your devices directly to the nanostation on the house. The one problem with doing this will be any concrete walls etc in the parlour, the nanostation needs to be strong enough to make both the range and punch though any walls. I used a slightly cheaper nanostation Loco, which has a lower power, does the job fine but I'm a little sorry I didn't just pay the 20e extra for the full nanostations. Then again I suppose I don't wanna be broadcasting my WiFi around to all the neighbours ha.

My name is not Patsy, & it's you that's talking through your rear end.

The Nano can be configured to different modes & I have wifi in my yard without a router.

Both of you have misread or misunderstood my post

BTW I don't like been called names & have always tried to share what little knowledge I have here with others

No wonder people are leaving boards and going else where,

I won't contributing any more to this discussion , Good luck .

patsy_mccabe

The Cuban wrote: »

You are wrong Patsy, you do need a wifi router in the parlor connected to the nanostation. The nanostation itself does not have wifi, it just has 2 Ethernet LAN (RJ-45) ports. Which makes me wonder, have you actually got this installed yourself or are you just bull****ting LOL

Timmaay wrote: »

Defo a total bullsh1ter... .

Christ lads relax. Ye must be cranky from the late nights calving.
I never said I had WiFi in the shed. I have the calving camera plugged (via CAT 5 Cable) into the Nano Station in the shed.

On the newer Nanostation versions, you can configure a HotSpot by the looks of things;
https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/204949644-airMAX-Configure-a-Wi-Fi-access-point-hotspot-

Timmaay

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Christ lads relax. Ye must be cranky from the late nights calving.
I never said I had WiFi in the shed. I have the calving camera plugged (via CAT 5 Cable) into the Nano Station in the shed.

On the newer Nanostation versions, you can configure a HotSpot by the looks of things;
https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/204949644-airMAX-Configure-a-Wi-Fi-access-point-hotspot-

Sorry sorry my comment was in total and utter sarcasm, after reading the Cubans fairly random remark (OK I don't know the fine line between coming across as sarcastic and serious ha). This is actually a very good thread, technology like the nanostations, or just using likes of a 3g hostspot are very very useful for many rural broadband situations where connection to a decent Internet is otherwise not possible or a lot more expensive!

The Cuban

orm0nd wrote: »

My name is not Patsy, & it's you that's talking through your rear end.

The Nano can be configured to different modes & I have wifi in my yard without a router.

Both of you have misread or misunderstood my post

BTW I don't like been called names & have always tried to share what little knowledge I have here with others

No wonder people are leaving boards and going else where,

I won't contributing any more to this discussion , Good luck .

No one miss read your post. As I said and if you read it properly, the nanostation cannot be used as a wifi extender over that distance. You need to relax and take a chill for yourself.
Patsy knows we are only having a laugh hence the ":D"

emaherx

I use Microtik Router Boards, Setup in WDS mode. One is connected to the internet in the house and then I have 2 others in sheds they communicate between each other and act as Wireless Access Points, you can also take an Ethernet connection from the 2 remote ones for calving cameras etc, like the ubiquiti devices these are not user friendly for their initial setup.

Preconfigued Ubiquiti and Microtik bridge kits are available.
https://www.irishwireless.net/networking/wireless-outdoor/point-to-point-kits/small-business-ptp

Another option is to use cheaper routers with WDS function or range extenders and upgrade the Antenna's I have done this option for someone using old routers that were no longer going to be used otherwise. On one router I was able to replace the screw off antenna's and on the other I broke off the old antenna's and soldered on an SMA connector. (if you have such equipment I would recommend testing at closer range before trying to upgrade the antenna's).

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Anybody tried this using the power line adaptors (something like this). Comes down to the electrical circuit setup I think.

I tried with the brother-in-law's place and definitely did not work but it looks like people are trying it at least.

If you could get a lend of some it's pretty easy to test.

emaherx

Jessa Curved Gun wrote: »

Anybody tried this using the power line adaptors (something like this). Comes down to the electrical circuit setup I think.

I tried with the brother-in-law's place and definitely did not work but it looks like people are trying it at least.

If you could get a lend of some it's pretty easy to test.

If the dairy is connected to the houses power then it might work, but distance could be an issue and the milking machine is quite likely to cause interference. Even within the house they usually need to be on the same to ring to be reliable.

Signpost

The ones over the power are flakey. More suited to low square cable for house hold plugs so if you run it over a say 9 sq cable to the parlour it'll be crucified with interference.
Been there, since bought the nano, no looking back.
I found it relatively straight forward & I have a wireless router on the end of it and done the same for a neighbour a few weeks back. You set it to station mode and just make sure your lan is a different lan to your house network and no issues.