12 year old streams suicide on Facebook

Gatling

Absolutely horrific situation been shared on social media ,
12 year old Katelyn Nicole Davis from america live on Facebook yesterday at some stage after revealing on camera she had been abused then camly hung herself which was been followed live on fb ,this video goes on for 20 mins until a family member found her body hanging in the garden ,
Now police are saying that helpless to stop the video been shared across the internet and social media,

Have we got that bad that people find a 12 year old killing herself live as some kind of morbid curiosity or entertainment,


Rip young angel

Donal55

Unbelievable. People complain about mods shutting down stuff on here and yet you can do that on FB. Sickening.

Flint Fredstone

That popped up in many a place over the last few days. Not a chance would I press play

Grayson

In FB Dublin there's a team that deal with that stuff. They deal with suicide threats (suicides are less common) bomb threats, disgusting stuff posted up (I mean so disgusting that it's illegal. Child porn etc) and all that kind of stuff. They have direct lines to police forces all around the world.

The problem is that it's reactive. They can't do something till someone posts or does something. Afterwards they can block the video/content but it's easy to rename something and put it back up. And they can't stop it going onto another site.

Personally I feel sorry for the guys in Facebook who have to look at all this stuff. It has to be incredibly tough to look at the sickest stuff that goes up there.

Temptamperu

There is nothing sadder than a kid doing this.

Grayson

As a side note, it would be interesting to see FB do more to help prevent abuse. To have direct lines to groups like child line etc. Kids might find it easier to get help then.

Ferrari3600

Grayson wrote: »

In FB Dublin there's a team that deal with that stuff. They deal with suicide threats (suicides are less common) bomb threats, disgusting stuff posted up (I mean so disgusting that it's illegal. Child porn etc) and all that kind of stuff. They have direct lines to police forces all around the world.

The problem is that it's reactive. They can't do something till someone posts or does something. Afterwards they can block the video/content but it's easy to rename something and put it back up. And they can't stop it going onto another site.

Personally I feel sorry for the guys in Facebook who have to look at all this stuff. It has to be incredibly tough to look at the sickest stuff that goes up there.

There's a court case ongoing in the US where Microsoft is being sued by two former employees.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/two-former-microsoft-employees-developed-ptsd-watching-child/

Agricola

222233 wrote: »

People watch it because they are desensitised, things that should be horrific have become entertaining. We are so used to seeing suffering that we don't see it for what it is anymore.

Yep. When you have people watching the exploits of ISIS in the middle east, a kid hanging herself would be pretty tame I'd imagine.

gormdubhgorm

Gatling wrote: »

Absolutely horrific situation been shared on social media ,
12 year old Katelyn Nicole Davis from america live on Facebook yesterday at some stage after revealing on camera she had been abused then camly hung herself which was been followed live on fb ,this video goes on for 20 mins until a family member found her body hanging in the garden ,
Now police are saying that helpless to stop the video been shared across the internet and social media,

Have we got that bad that people find a 12 year old killing herself live as some kind of morbid curiosity or entertainment,


Rip young angel

Shouldn't the real question be why would she post it on facebook?

It is feeding that morbid curiosity, and it seems to me that real life IS social media for a lot of younger generations.

In fact it could be argued that this thread is feeding into a morbid curiosity.

It is another extension on murders and beheading's being put online by
"gore sites".

There is plenty of "morbid curiosity" on the internet already (even on this site), example ISIS attacks, Berkely balcony the list goes on.

It is just an unfortunate/strange side of the internet, every minute of lives need to be documented and commented on, right up to death.

The facebook page then turns into some macabre shrine to the dead person with people sending messages to the dead person.

"U r wth d angles nw x" etc.

At this stage now telling the world about your death seems almost normal.

This is in between posts of kittens, dogs, cute baby pictures and motivational quotes.

People's lives are not thier own anymore, and this this type of thing only assures me that Facebook is well avoided.

suicide_circus

fucķing hell, no words for that. god love her.

Hank Scorpio

Terrible for the family to know videos of her will be sitting on websites for eternity.

It seems she was badly depressed, whole life ahead of her. Very sad.

banie01

R.I.P to the poor girl, Im sorry she encountered a set of circumstances and abuse that led her to think that suicide was the answer to her circumstance.

Im sorry that the stream was uploaded, Im sorry that anyone chose to view it and I'm sorry that the help the poor girl needed was so absent.

Videos and streams of this are an inherent issue with the age of the citizen reporter.
Give people the means to broadcast anything they wish and they will.
The ease of live streaming means that any one can broadcast anything they choose to.

Facebook live is taking a lot of flack as it is used as a primary "channel" for these broadcasts, and as they are claiming to rely on viewers reporting any offensive/upsetting content rather than actively monitoring or censoring streams on a real time basis, more and more videos of this type are going to hit the wild.

That said if someone wants to live stream anything, any action at all it is becoming nigh on impossible to prevent it.
Blaming FB or whatever channel these streams are shared via is not going to solve the issue.
The action occurred, the likelihood of any intervention saving this poor girl based upon a report or alert from FB is unlikely.

It makes the archetypal "Cry for help" very public and very persistent.

R.I.P Katelyn

jimgoose

Jesus Christ, the poor little child.

IvyTheTerrible

What's this "we" are being desensitized about? I'm not, because I choose not to watch these sort of videos, and I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

222233

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

What's this "we" are being desensitized about? I'm not, because I choose not to watch these sort of videos, and I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

I wouldn't watch it either but for many people it's just another person on the internet.

Jayop

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Terrible for the family to know videos of her will be sitting on websites for eternity.

It seems she was badly depressed, whole life ahead of her. Very sad.

I'd have thought that she was abused and killed herself would be a bigger issue for them than the fact it was on facebook.

andekwarhola

Fcuking hell

mikeym

So sad for her.

jimgoose

222233 wrote: »

I wouldn't watch it either but for many people it's just another person on the internet.

Anyone who finds themselves "desensitised" to something like this is a psychopath. I know hardass combat Recon Marines who have bawled at less.

IvyTheTerrible

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

What's this "we" are being desensitized about? I'm not, because I choose not to watch these sort of videos, and I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

I've been online since the 90s and have managed to avoid seeing anything worse than someone putting a nail through their thumb.

Stuff like this has been around a long time, anuff movies and all. 15-20 years ago the panic was that it was on the internet, now the panic is that it's "on Facebook" because those who partake in moral panic now have Facebook in their everyday lives.

Sad stuff though, poor kid.

222233

jimgoose wrote: »

Anyone who finds themselves "desensitised" to something like this is a psychopath. I know hardass combat Recon Marines who have bawled at less.

Actually theres tonnes of research into this, it's not necessarily psychopathic but more so a cultural shift, there's a really interesting Psychologist called Sherry Turkle who studies social media, tech etc. It's not that people don't care all of sudden it's just a change in how they perceive what's on the internet really. For instance there was a case where a weatherman fell suddenly ill on air, it was shared and liked millions of times; in a normal situation we wouldn't "like" someone becoming ill, it's how people react online.

BTW I'm not saying people watch these videos and don't care I'm saying they are able to watch them in the first place..

jimgoose

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've been online since the 90s and have managed to avoid seeing anything worse than someone putting a nail through their thumb.

Stuff like this has been around a long time, anuff movies and all. 15-20 years ago the panic was that it was on the internet, now the panic is that it's "on Facebook" because those who partake in moral panic now have Facebook in their everyday lives.

Sad stuff though, poor kid.

There has never, ever, been one "snuff film" made. That whole yarn is bullhockey.

cinnamony

Over the last few months there has been a string of suicides among young people where I live. Each of them under 18 and each of them with over 2000 friends on facebook. Thousands of friends, a few hundred likes on their pictures/posts, yet nobody to talk to. Not a single one of those kids chose to talk to one of their thousands of facebook friends over commiting suicide. It is obvious that somewhere somehow, we have gone from a belief of quality over quantity and we have somehow encouraged a society that seeks to look good whilst pushing in their own suffering and unfortunately for many, this kind of system ends in tragedy.
Its absolutely heartbreaking that this young girl like all the young people I know who have commited suicide felt so alone and in pain that their only choice was to end their own lives.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been online since the 90s and have managed to avoid seeing anything worse than someone putting a nail through their thumb.

Stuff like this has been around a long time, anuff movies and all. 15-20 years ago the panic was that it was on the internet, now the panic is that it's "on Facebook" because those who partake in moral panic now have Facebook in their everyday lives.

Sad stuff though, poor kid.

It's been around, but not in the same way.

There's a marked difference in the size of the audience of a 'snuff' movie 30 years ago, and clip that'll remain on the internet forever. I wouldn't dismiss people being concerned about a clip of a child killing themselves being used by people for entertainment, or perverts for worse - particularly those who knew and loved the child - as partaking in moral panic.

This poor child. Her poor loved ones, knowing her final moments are being pored over by strangers, all but boasting about how desensitized they are.

Junkyard Tom

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

I actively avoid watching that shit. Who needs those images and scenes following you into your sleep? Morbid curiosity.

andekwarhola

People blaming the platform are way off the beam. If Facebook don't provide it, countless others will. The stable door is open now.

The terrible and saddening thing isn't the technology but rather what it confirms about a lot of humanity.

Grayson

jimgoose wrote: »

There has never, ever, been one "snuff film" made. That whole yarn is bullhockey.

Depends on how you define it. Plenty of beheadings out there. And I've read about some of the stuff that's shared on the dark web. It's truly sickening what's done to people.




On a separate note, hope they find the feckers who abused the girl and lock them up.

jimgoose

222233 wrote: »

Actually theres tonnes of research into this, it's not necessarily psychopathic but more so a cultural shift, there's a really interesting Psychologist called Sherry Turkle who studies social media, tech etc. It's not that people don't care all of sudden it's just a change in how they perceive what's on the internet really. For instance there was a case where a weatherman fell suddenly ill on air, it was shared and liked millions of times; in a normal situation we wouldn't "like" someone becoming ill, it's how people react online.

BTW I'm not saying people watch these videos and don't care I'm saying they are able to watch them in the first place..

I've been using the Internet for 25 years and I'd say we'd want to culturally-shift ourselves back the other way quare lively. We seem to be becoming a population of lunatics.

Grayson

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

There's a court case ongoing in the US where Microsoft is being sued by two former employees.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/two-former-microsoft-employees-developed-ptsd-watching-child/

I read about that. I think they have a point. If you're working on a loud environment they give you ear protection to prevent hearing damage. If you work with dodgy internet content you should be given a therapist.

jimgoose

Grayson wrote: »

Depends on how you define it. Plenty of beheadings out there. And I've read about some of the stuff that's shared on the dark web. It's truly sickening what's done to people.




On a separate note, hope they find the feckers who abused the girl and lock them up.

I know all about the Dark Web. And I define "snuff films" as a different thing from loo-laahs who'd badly want a .50 BMG up the hole.

dublinman1990

Jesus that is horrific. I don't know what to think for the poor girl's family.

The world wide web can be a sickening place for some who have a sick mind.

RIP to the little girl.