12 year old streams suicide on Facebook

Gatling

Absolutely horrific situation been shared on social media ,
12 year old Katelyn Nicole Davis from america live on Facebook yesterday at some stage after revealing on camera she had been abused then camly hung herself which was been followed live on fb ,this video goes on for 20 mins until a family member found her body hanging in the garden ,
Now police are saying that helpless to stop the video been shared across the internet and social media,

Have we got that bad that people find a 12 year old killing herself live as some kind of morbid curiosity or entertainment,


Rip young angel

Donal55

Unbelievable. People complain about mods shutting down stuff on here and yet you can do that on FB. Sickening.

Flint Fredstone

That popped up in many a place over the last few days. Not a chance would I press play

Grayson

In FB Dublin there's a team that deal with that stuff. They deal with suicide threats (suicides are less common) bomb threats, disgusting stuff posted up (I mean so disgusting that it's illegal. Child porn etc) and all that kind of stuff. They have direct lines to police forces all around the world.

The problem is that it's reactive. They can't do something till someone posts or does something. Afterwards they can block the video/content but it's easy to rename something and put it back up. And they can't stop it going onto another site.

Personally I feel sorry for the guys in Facebook who have to look at all this stuff. It has to be incredibly tough to look at the sickest stuff that goes up there.

Temptamperu

There is nothing sadder than a kid doing this.

Grayson

As a side note, it would be interesting to see FB do more to help prevent abuse. To have direct lines to groups like child line etc. Kids might find it easier to get help then.

Ferrari3600

Grayson wrote: »

In FB Dublin there's a team that deal with that stuff. They deal with suicide threats (suicides are less common) bomb threats, disgusting stuff posted up (I mean so disgusting that it's illegal. Child porn etc) and all that kind of stuff. They have direct lines to police forces all around the world.

The problem is that it's reactive. They can't do something till someone posts or does something. Afterwards they can block the video/content but it's easy to rename something and put it back up. And they can't stop it going onto another site.

Personally I feel sorry for the guys in Facebook who have to look at all this stuff. It has to be incredibly tough to look at the sickest stuff that goes up there.

There's a court case ongoing in the US where Microsoft is being sued by two former employees.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/two-former-microsoft-employees-developed-ptsd-watching-child/

Agricola

222233 wrote: »

People watch it because they are desensitised, things that should be horrific have become entertaining. We are so used to seeing suffering that we don't see it for what it is anymore.

Yep. When you have people watching the exploits of ISIS in the middle east, a kid hanging herself would be pretty tame I'd imagine.

gormdubhgorm

Gatling wrote: »

Absolutely horrific situation been shared on social media ,
12 year old Katelyn Nicole Davis from america live on Facebook yesterday at some stage after revealing on camera she had been abused then camly hung herself which was been followed live on fb ,this video goes on for 20 mins until a family member found her body hanging in the garden ,
Now police are saying that helpless to stop the video been shared across the internet and social media,

Have we got that bad that people find a 12 year old killing herself live as some kind of morbid curiosity or entertainment,


Rip young angel

Shouldn't the real question be why would she post it on facebook?

It is feeding that morbid curiosity, and it seems to me that real life IS social media for a lot of younger generations.

In fact it could be argued that this thread is feeding into a morbid curiosity.

It is another extension on murders and beheading's being put online by
"gore sites".

There is plenty of "morbid curiosity" on the internet already (even on this site), example ISIS attacks, Berkely balcony the list goes on.

It is just an unfortunate/strange side of the internet, every minute of lives need to be documented and commented on, right up to death.

The facebook page then turns into some macabre shrine to the dead person with people sending messages to the dead person.

"U r wth d angles nw x" etc.

At this stage now telling the world about your death seems almost normal.

This is in between posts of kittens, dogs, cute baby pictures and motivational quotes.

People's lives are not thier own anymore, and this this type of thing only assures me that Facebook is well avoided.

suicide_circus

fucķing hell, no words for that. god love her.

Hank Scorpio

Terrible for the family to know videos of her will be sitting on websites for eternity.

It seems she was badly depressed, whole life ahead of her. Very sad.

banie01

R.I.P to the poor girl, Im sorry she encountered a set of circumstances and abuse that led her to think that suicide was the answer to her circumstance.

Im sorry that the stream was uploaded, Im sorry that anyone chose to view it and I'm sorry that the help the poor girl needed was so absent.

Videos and streams of this are an inherent issue with the age of the citizen reporter.
Give people the means to broadcast anything they wish and they will.
The ease of live streaming means that any one can broadcast anything they choose to.

Facebook live is taking a lot of flack as it is used as a primary "channel" for these broadcasts, and as they are claiming to rely on viewers reporting any offensive/upsetting content rather than actively monitoring or censoring streams on a real time basis, more and more videos of this type are going to hit the wild.

That said if someone wants to live stream anything, any action at all it is becoming nigh on impossible to prevent it.
Blaming FB or whatever channel these streams are shared via is not going to solve the issue.
The action occurred, the likelihood of any intervention saving this poor girl based upon a report or alert from FB is unlikely.

It makes the archetypal "Cry for help" very public and very persistent.

R.I.P Katelyn

jimgoose

Jesus Christ, the poor little child.

IvyTheTerrible

What's this "we" are being desensitized about? I'm not, because I choose not to watch these sort of videos, and I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

222233

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

What's this "we" are being desensitized about? I'm not, because I choose not to watch these sort of videos, and I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

I wouldn't watch it either but for many people it's just another person on the internet.

Jayop

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Terrible for the family to know videos of her will be sitting on websites for eternity.

It seems she was badly depressed, whole life ahead of her. Very sad.

I'd have thought that she was abused and killed herself would be a bigger issue for them than the fact it was on facebook.

andekwarhola

Fcuking hell

mikeym

So sad for her.

jimgoose

222233 wrote: »

I wouldn't watch it either but for many people it's just another person on the internet.

Anyone who finds themselves "desensitised" to something like this is a psychopath. I know hardass combat Recon Marines who have bawled at less.

IvyTheTerrible

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

What's this "we" are being desensitized about? I'm not, because I choose not to watch these sort of videos, and I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

I've been online since the 90s and have managed to avoid seeing anything worse than someone putting a nail through their thumb.

Stuff like this has been around a long time, anuff movies and all. 15-20 years ago the panic was that it was on the internet, now the panic is that it's "on Facebook" because those who partake in moral panic now have Facebook in their everyday lives.

Sad stuff though, poor kid.

222233

jimgoose wrote: »

Anyone who finds themselves "desensitised" to something like this is a psychopath. I know hardass combat Recon Marines who have bawled at less.

Actually theres tonnes of research into this, it's not necessarily psychopathic but more so a cultural shift, there's a really interesting Psychologist called Sherry Turkle who studies social media, tech etc. It's not that people don't care all of sudden it's just a change in how they perceive what's on the internet really. For instance there was a case where a weatherman fell suddenly ill on air, it was shared and liked millions of times; in a normal situation we wouldn't "like" someone becoming ill, it's how people react online.

BTW I'm not saying people watch these videos and don't care I'm saying they are able to watch them in the first place..

jimgoose

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've been online since the 90s and have managed to avoid seeing anything worse than someone putting a nail through their thumb.

Stuff like this has been around a long time, anuff movies and all. 15-20 years ago the panic was that it was on the internet, now the panic is that it's "on Facebook" because those who partake in moral panic now have Facebook in their everyday lives.

Sad stuff though, poor kid.

There has never, ever, been one "snuff film" made. That whole yarn is bullhockey.

cinnamony

Over the last few months there has been a string of suicides among young people where I live. Each of them under 18 and each of them with over 2000 friends on facebook. Thousands of friends, a few hundred likes on their pictures/posts, yet nobody to talk to. Not a single one of those kids chose to talk to one of their thousands of facebook friends over commiting suicide. It is obvious that somewhere somehow, we have gone from a belief of quality over quantity and we have somehow encouraged a society that seeks to look good whilst pushing in their own suffering and unfortunately for many, this kind of system ends in tragedy.
Its absolutely heartbreaking that this young girl like all the young people I know who have commited suicide felt so alone and in pain that their only choice was to end their own lives.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been online since the 90s and have managed to avoid seeing anything worse than someone putting a nail through their thumb.

Stuff like this has been around a long time, anuff movies and all. 15-20 years ago the panic was that it was on the internet, now the panic is that it's "on Facebook" because those who partake in moral panic now have Facebook in their everyday lives.

Sad stuff though, poor kid.

It's been around, but not in the same way.

There's a marked difference in the size of the audience of a 'snuff' movie 30 years ago, and clip that'll remain on the internet forever. I wouldn't dismiss people being concerned about a clip of a child killing themselves being used by people for entertainment, or perverts for worse - particularly those who knew and loved the child - as partaking in moral panic.

This poor child. Her poor loved ones, knowing her final moments are being pored over by strangers, all but boasting about how desensitized they are.

Junkyard Tom

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I've a feeling I'm not the only one.

I actively avoid watching that shit. Who needs those images and scenes following you into your sleep? Morbid curiosity.

andekwarhola

People blaming the platform are way off the beam. If Facebook don't provide it, countless others will. The stable door is open now.

The terrible and saddening thing isn't the technology but rather what it confirms about a lot of humanity.

Grayson

jimgoose wrote: »

There has never, ever, been one "snuff film" made. That whole yarn is bullhockey.

Depends on how you define it. Plenty of beheadings out there. And I've read about some of the stuff that's shared on the dark web. It's truly sickening what's done to people.




On a separate note, hope they find the feckers who abused the girl and lock them up.

jimgoose

222233 wrote: »

Actually theres tonnes of research into this, it's not necessarily psychopathic but more so a cultural shift, there's a really interesting Psychologist called Sherry Turkle who studies social media, tech etc. It's not that people don't care all of sudden it's just a change in how they perceive what's on the internet really. For instance there was a case where a weatherman fell suddenly ill on air, it was shared and liked millions of times; in a normal situation we wouldn't "like" someone becoming ill, it's how people react online.

BTW I'm not saying people watch these videos and don't care I'm saying they are able to watch them in the first place..

I've been using the Internet for 25 years and I'd say we'd want to culturally-shift ourselves back the other way quare lively. We seem to be becoming a population of lunatics.

Grayson

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

There's a court case ongoing in the US where Microsoft is being sued by two former employees.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/two-former-microsoft-employees-developed-ptsd-watching-child/

I read about that. I think they have a point. If you're working on a loud environment they give you ear protection to prevent hearing damage. If you work with dodgy internet content you should be given a therapist.

jimgoose

Grayson wrote: »

Depends on how you define it. Plenty of beheadings out there. And I've read about some of the stuff that's shared on the dark web. It's truly sickening what's done to people.




On a separate note, hope they find the feckers who abused the girl and lock them up.

I know all about the Dark Web. And I define "snuff films" as a different thing from loo-laahs who'd badly want a .50 BMG up the hole.

dublinman1990

Jesus that is horrific. I don't know what to think for the poor girl's family.

The world wide web can be a sickening place for some who have a sick mind.

RIP to the little girl.

jimgoose

jimgoose wrote: »

There has never, ever, been one "snuff film" made. That whole yarn is bullhockey.

We may be differing on the definition of "snuff film". Or, unlike every other thing, no-one did it til the internet.

statesaver

She has four or five diary blog type things on the web.
Not going to link them, google them if you want.

They show that her family situation wasn't at all that good.

Also shows she was obsessed with some Ben Drowned which I think is some video game character.

Heart breaking stuff. RIP

BorneTobyWilde

She didn't want to die. But we all want to help when it's too late, no one wanted to know when she was here.

foggy_lad

RIP and my thoughts are with this girls family at this awful time.

Goya

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

She didn't want to die. But we all want to help when it's too late, no one wanted to know when she was here.

Well those who knew her/were aware of her situation I suppose. That's if it's true that nobody wanted to know. Could also have been the case that people did care about her and reach out to her but it wasn't enough to ease the pain.

BorneTobyWilde

I didn't watch end of video , but the long drawn out apologies as she stood there with rope around her neck was laced with her hope of an intervention. No one called her, no one texted, no one commented. That sense of worthlessness ended with that step off her pedestal.

Nodferatu

was she bullied through social media or physically, or both?

Riesen_Meal

This happened about a week ago didn't it?

At the time I initially read about it the cops hadn't confirmed that it had actually happened....

Some people said the video was fake, I obviously hoped it was fake...

A tragedy, and an eye opener really...

Irish Guitarist

I guess the reason she did this was because she was being bullied and she wanted to let her tormentors know how they made her feel. She may have wanted them to remember her for the rest of their lives.

jonon9

Iv a nine year old that's been asking me for a phone because her friends have them and there on FB and snap chat etc etc, Hearing sad stories like this is why I dont give my kid that young a phone and access to the Internet there's enough bullying happening in schools without been exposed to it over the net.

I feel its time I give my Daughter the talk on what the horrible side of social media and the Internet can do to a person, personally I don't thing she too young due to kids been more aware today to issues.

Capt'n Midnight

Donal55 wrote: »

Unbelievable. People complain about mods shutting down stuff on here and yet you can do that on FB. Sickening.

FB is used by people traffickers to organise the boats that sink in the med. And terrorists.

Don't forget it was originally set up to steal passwords.


So no don't expect ethical behaviour from FB

infogiver

That a child knows what suicide is, and knows how to organise a suicide, even felt that an attempted suicide was the only way to get the attention of the people responsible for her well being, never mind that she actually followed through with it, should be terrifying every parent in the world
Maybe it's best if the film is left out there in cyberspace, available to view

Goya

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

FB is used by people traffickers to organise the boats that sink in the med. And terrorists.

Don't forget it was originally set up to steal passwords.


So no don't expect ethical behaviour from FB

Or it was a while until they got the report. Not as exciting but more likely.

Outlaw Pete

Reminds me of the teenager eight or nine years ago in the US who did similar and those watching thought it was a hoax.

Fleawuss

You just get swamped by the net eventually. Just overload of all the anger, hate, loss, pain, laughs, cat videos, rants, opinions, on and on an absolute cacophony of humanity. The net isn't to blame. That poor lost little girl isn't to blame. Humanity is just humanity and the net just opens the flood gates and let's all the world rush past. All you can do sometimes is turn it off and sit in the dark.

Lorelli!

Very sad for this girl.

I dont blame facebook however i do worry about the potential damage when videos like this are broadcast and shared. Even when refraining from clicking on the video, people may be exposed to inappropriate, detailed, false etc stories or comments from posts. Facebook and specifically the live feature could possibly act as a dangerous catalyst since it can expose and share these tragedies to a large amount of people without any filters which would normally be considered before reporting by other legitimate news outlets which follow established public health and safety guidelines for discussing suicide.

Suicide contagion was highlighted as a concern when Robin Williams died.

"Suicide contagion is the exposure to suicide or suicidal behaviors within one's family, one's peer group, or through media reports of suicide and can result in an increase in suicide and suicidal behaviors."

BorneTobyWilde

It was never live on facebook
It was shared on there
Live feed was from site called ''Live Me ''

learn_more

Gatling wrote: »

Have we got that bad that people find a 12 year old killing herself live as some kind of morbid curiosity or entertainment.


Rip young angel

If you go to any Irish or UK newspaper website, papers that you would think are reputable, present headlines which are concerned with sex crimes and other equally morbid stuff, as if they occurred in Ireland/UK, but actually occurred elsewhere in the world.

So they obviously trawl the world news to bring you the most shocking morbid news stories, and present them as if they happened locally.

Anyway, I think it's the type of stuff ppl want to read. Whether that reflects badly on us as a society I don't know.

Gatling

I actually found coming back to this difficult for some reason ,
A victim of supposed sexual abuse if I read correctly openly posts this and yet people had to have watched from start to finish and did nothing it was a family member who found her hanging after at least 20 mins ,
A child as a parent of two girls one only 3 years younger than this poor girl it scares the living daylights out of me that if one of them got so low that they would attempt suicide and people would just sit and watch ,

Vic_08

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I didn't watch end of video...

I had no intention of watching this video nor anything else of this kind, I don't appreciate some knob on AH who thinks it is appropriate to watch the thing then post unasked a commentary describing it.

I don't know what is worse, that you knowingly watched a 12 year old commit suicide or that you described it here to get kudos.