Sheep fluke

karolmc100

I have 80 ewes or so they will be lambing mainly in February .I am hearing stories about farmers losing sheep with acute fluke .What should I be dosing them with now or shd I wait till after they have lambed to avoid stress on the sheep

serfspup

treat them now

karolmc100

What would you recommend i use

serfspup

probably injectable ,trodax,closamecticin,or flukiver

kk.man

Tribex ..kills all stages of fluke..great product

IH784man

56 day withdrawal though

Cattlepen

I think flukiver is great stuff

kk.man

IH784man wrote: »

56 day withdrawal though

Plan your dosage...no pain no gain

mcgiggles

karolmc100 wrote: »

I have 80 ewes or so they will be lambing mainly in February .I am hearing stories about farmers losing sheep with acute fluke .What should I be dosing them with now or shd I wait till after they have lambed to avoid stress on the sheep

This time of year it would be late immature or adult fluke that you are looking to treat, so look for something that targets both of those stages, 

kk.man wrote: »

Tribex ..kills all stages of fluke..great product

You wouldn't need to treat for immature fluke this time of year, you would only treat for immature fluke if you knew they definitely had them (generally late summer/ september time). If possible you would want to avoid using triclabendazole based products like Tribex as your go-to fluker year round as the sheep can build resistance to it and there's basically no other product that kills early stage fluke..

mcgiggles

I was at a talk with himself last night and found the talk on fluke very interesting, and having a science background the nerd in me made this table this morning, for our own reference but it might be interesting to others that are newbies also  Haven't got all products there now, but if you look up the active ingredient of whatever you use/ want to use it should match up to some of them here..

mcgiggles

Don't know if you can see that right, I'll try attach it as a link..

MayoAreMagic

mcgiggles wrote: »

This time of year it would be late immature or adult fluke that you are looking to treat, so look for something that targets both of those stages,

You wouldn't need to treat for immature fluke this time of year, you would only treat for immature fluke if you knew they definitely had them (generally late summer/ september time). If possible you would want to avoid using triclabendazole based products like Tribex as your go-to fluker year round as the sheep can build resistance to it and there's basically no other product that kills early stage fluke..

Normally Id agree with you here, but the weather this year is very unusual. Im no scientist but Id be of the thinking that later hatches are a distinct possibility this year. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they could still be hatching out... Definitely worth looking into anyway...

mcgiggles

You could be dead right actually.. When I think about it, there could be possibility for early fluke because the temperatures have been stupidly high, and the weathers been wet the mud snail actually could come out of hibernation early and start the cycle earlier than usual.. 

But as a general rule I wouldn't use the triclabendazole based products for every dosing to avoid resistance
Hope I'm not coming across as a know it all, still a total rookie at this but I just find it very interesting and like sharing what I learn, but I do know real life doesn't always go by the book ;)

MayoAreMagic

mcgiggles wrote: »

You could be dead right actually.. When I think about it, there could be possibility for early fluke because the temperatures have been stupidly high, and the weathers been wet the mud snail actually could come out of hibernation early and start the cycle earlier than usual.. 

But as a general rule I wouldn't use the triclabendazole based products for every dosing to avoid resistance
Hope I'm not coming across as a know it all, still a total rookie at this but I just find it very interesting and like sharing what I learn, but I do know real life doesn't always go by the book ;)

No not at all. Discussion is helpful and if it saves someone a few animals then that is a good thing.
I think i read somewhere that temperatures of around 10 degrees will produce hatches. We are reaching that during the day so we need to be careful.
I think people would be safe enough if they simply delayed their change of dose by a month. So instead of changing from tribex at the end of december, maybe wait til the end of january. That is what im going with anyway

Westernrock

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Normally Id agree with you here, but the weather this year is very unusual. Im no scientist but Id be of the thinking that later hatches are a distinct possibility this year. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they could still be hatching out... Definitely worth looking into anyway...

+1
Definitely still seeing acute fluke in sheep in our area (sligo/mayo)

Westernrock

mcgiggles wrote: »

Don't know if you can see that right, I'll try attach it as a link..

Useful info in there, as far as I'm aware levafas diamond and zanil are the same active ingredient for fluke, so levafas diamond would only get mature fluke and isn't a great fluke dose for sheep?

MayoAreMagic

Westernrock wrote: »

Useful info in there, as far as I'm aware levafas diamond and zanil are the same active ingredient for fluke, so levafas diamond would only get mature fluke and isn't a great fluke dose for sheep?

Ya that is true. They are also the only ones that have some level of efficacy against rumen fluke, although Id have my doubts as regards how effective they actually are - we are hearing the same spiel about them having some effect for a few years now, yet they don't seem too bothered about investigating the actual level of efficacy, or at least printing it...

Another active ingredient is rafoxanide which has some level of efficacy on immature fluke up to 4 or 5 weeks or something like that... Ridafluke is one product that uses it...

Green farmer

Gone through a crap week here. After loosing a few sheep to fluke. Caught me off guard as first time fluke has struck here. Vet said to use tribex straight away. Not ideal as locks up a percentage of my store lambs for next 56 days, but at least will stop the loses.

kk.man

Green farmer wrote: »

Gone through a crap week here. After loosing a few sheep to fluke. Caught me off guard as first time fluke has struck here. Vet said to use tribex straight away. Not ideal as locks up a percentage of my store lambs for next 56 days, but at least will stop the loses.

Sorry to hear that...i know its a 56 day withdrawal but i use it not long after i purchase the lambs

Green farmer

kk.man wrote: »

Sorry to hear that...i know its a 56 day withdrawal but i use it not long after i purchase the lambs

Thanks, as I said , never had any fluke issues here before, but must be the unseasonably mild winter or something.

razor8

Green farmer wrote: »

Gone through a crap week here. After loosing a few sheep to fluke. Caught me off guard as first time fluke has struck here. Vet said to use tribex straight away. Not ideal as locks up a percentage of my store lambs for next 56 days, but at least will stop the loses.

I'd be wary of triclabendazole resistance using tribes

Lambman

razor8 wrote: »

Green farmer wrote: »

Gone through a crap week here. After loosing a few sheep to fluke. Caught me off guard as first time fluke has struck here. Vet said to use tribex straight away. Not ideal as locks up a percentage of my store lambs for next 56 days, but at least will stop the loses.

I'd be wary of triclabendazole resistance using tribes

Yea I must have a resistance issue as usually dose with fasinex but started losing ewe lambs but no ewes so switched till flukiver first then injected with trodax 5 weeks later no problems since.... also I dosed the ewe lambs again for worms I never had till this time off year before but there just not thriving as they should.... there bolused for cobalt and also get drenched with it every 6 weeks but not putting on much flesh.

Robson99

Green farmer wrote: »

Gone through a crap week here. After loosing a few sheep to fluke. Caught me off guard as first time fluke has struck here. Vet said to use tribex straight away. Not ideal as locks up a percentage of my store lambs for next 56 days, but at least will stop the loses.

Lost a couple here too in the past weék. One a day after dosing them

Username John

What are lads normal fluke dose routine?

I have hoggets out all winter, but they only got a fluke dose last year...

We wouldn't have wet land, but I don't want to find out about a serious fluke problem the hard way either like...

White Clover

Would lads fluke dose ewes that were out all winter after Lambing?

Ard_MC

Username John wrote: »

What are lads normal fluke dose routine?

I have hoggets out all winter, but they only got a fluke dose last year...

We wouldn't have wet land, but I don't want to find out about a serious fluke problem the hard way either like...

Every 6 weeks from October till march. And change the fluke dose ingredient every time. Plenty wet land where i am tho.

Username John

Ard_MC wrote: »

Every 6 weeks from October till march. And change the fluke dose ingredient every time. Plenty wet land where i am tho.

Thanks Ard.

Aside from getting the livers tested in the factory, there's no real reliable test for fluke is there?

I'll be moving my lambs from where they're wintered (which is as bare as the table now) to fresh grass during the coming week...

Debating whether they should be dosed or not... they're after losing a small bit of condition the past few weeks maybe, but I think that's just grass running out where they are...

Not sure what to do about the dosing...

The man in red and black

Username John wrote: »

Thanks Ard.

Aside from getting the livers tested in the factory, there's no real reliable test for fluke is there?

I'll be moving my lambs from where they're wintered (which is as bare as the table now) to fresh grass during the coming week...

Debating whether they should be dosed or not... they're after losing a small bit of condition the past few weeks maybe, but I think that's just grass running out where they are...

Not sure what to do about the dosing...

Faecal egg counts on the dung may assist you in knowing if you need to dose for chronic fluke.(This is not useful to detect early or acute fluke)

Ard_MC

Username John wrote: »

Thanks Ard.

Aside from getting the livers tested in the factory, there's no real reliable test for fluke is there?

I'll be moving my lambs from where they're wintered (which is as bare as the table now) to fresh grass during the coming week..



Debating whether they should be dosed or not... they're after losing a small bit of condition the past few weeks maybe, but I think that's just grass running out where they are...

Not sure what to do about the dosing...

If it was me, id stick a dose in them. I dont kill any sheep anymore...but that could change this yr, but lost a few ewes a few yrs ago and got pm done. Was acute liver fluke, have been dosin like that since and touch wood..its all good so far!