Deciding between 2.0TDI vs 2.0TFSI

Tea drinker

I'm mulling over changing the car after nearly 11 years.... I'm considering going for either a Passat or an A4 in either 2.0 TDI or TFSI.
I've seen some vids online and the 2.0 TFSI looks a bit tricky on account of the multiple chains and issues around timing chain tensioner failure  seems to be about 100k mile failure item - is that correct? Don't know if that's one thing that was "permanently" fixed in revised parts from VAG or if that is basically a service item.
The TDI is the big seller here so dunno if guys will have much feedback on the 207 brake TFSI. I'm considering importing from UK which has it's own issues I can research.

bazz26

If you don't do the miles or driving style to justify a diesel then I see no point in buying one.

thierry14

Petrol will depreciate like mad, nice engine and all but no one wants a 2.0l turbo petrol.

Especially when the 187bhp 2.0tdi offers similar performance and way better economy.

If your buying 2nd hand go for the petrol if tot mileage suits it, but I would be paying a hell of a lot less than than the equivalent age/spec diesel.

Atlantic Dawn

Go with the petrol if you don't do the miles, buy what suits you and not what will suit someone you are trading it in to in 5 years. The demand for petrol is out there, lots of people stung by DPF issues as they bought diesels that were completely unsuitable for their driving style.

Tea drinker

Yeah lads 2nd hand, but I think ye re right the 2.0 petrol would be harder to shift here, even allowing for the DPF issues you point out Atlantic Dawn,,,,
The 190 brake 2.0TDI are only out since last year I think, so that's a bit newer than the wallet tells me it wants to go. Other option is 3.0 TDI ,lol

Comhrá

Tea drinker wrote: »

I'm mulling over changing the car after nearly 11 years.... I'm considering going for either a Passat or an A4 in either 2.0 TDI or TFSI.
I've seen some vids online and the 2.0 TFSI looks a bit tricky on account of the multiple chains and issues around timing chain tensioner failure  seems to be about 100k mile failure item - is that correct? Don't know if that's one thing that was "permanently" fixed in revised parts from VAG or if that is basically a service item.
The TDI is the big seller here so dunno if guys will have much feedback on the 207 brake TFSI. I'm considering importing from UK which has it's own issues I can research.

I was in exactly the same situation a year ago. I mulled over the 2.0 TFSI as I only do around 10k kms a year and eventually I settled for the 1.4 TFSI petrol S-Tronic. The 1.4 has the same power output as the diesel 2.0 TDI but it's a very quiet, refined engine without the problems associated with diesel/low mileage/urban driving which I do a lot of.

The 2.0 TFSI is around 5K more expensive than the 1.4 which seems a lot for an extra 40 bhp or thereabouts.

I previously had a 141 A3 Saloon petrol 1.4 TFSI and I was very happy with the trade-in value of it. I think the new petrol Audi models have a better residual value than many people think. Economy, road-tax & running costs are now closer to diesel than previous, so well worth checking out.

gooch2k9

The way things are going, if you keep the car for say three years, the diesel may well be the harder to move on come the time. Not saying it definitely will be, but there has been a big change in attitude internationally towards diesel recently.

Also, Petrol every day. More power over a wider rev range.

Micky 32

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Also, Petrol every day. More power over a wider rev range.

Gearboxes are different to compensate for this. I drive a 200 Bhp 2.0TDI and had a 2.0 TFSI and bhp for bhp there was hardly anything in it power wise and acceleration.

I had a modded TFSI that made 324bhp and even though it was fun they're not a great engine. They have problems with cam follower wear and oil consumption issues.

tossy

Micky 32 wrote: »

Gearboxes are different to compensate for this. I drive a 200 Bhp 2.0TDI and had a 2.0 TFSI and bhp for bhp there was hardly anything in it power wise and acceleration.

I had a modded TFSI that made 324bhp and even though it was fun they're not a great engine. They have problems with cam follower wear and oil consumption issues.

Ah come on now Micky , the cam follower is 1 20e part and takes 20 mins. Oil consumption is a problem but as long as you know it and monitor it then it's fine. I average less than a litre every 5k miles.

As for the OP you need to decide what best suits your situation and try get a drive in both. I've never both a car with resale value or ease of resale in mind, life is too short.

Its hard to look past a petrol though.

Micky 32

tossy wrote: »

Ah come on now Micky , the cam follower is 1 20e part and takes 20 mins. Oil consumption is a problem but as long as you know it and monitor it then it's fine. I average less than a litre every 5k miles.

As for the OP you need to decide what best suits your situation and try get a drive in both. I've never both a car with resale value or ease of resale in mind, life is too short.

Its hard to look past a petrol though.

Come on Tossy! I had one for 5 years. I have experience of both engines and i know what i'm talking about, and a litre every 5k?? Lol try 800 miles! Yes the follower is cheap but unpredictable. If you get to it too late you have a big bill ahead. Not to mention where the fuel pump is screwed to the head is very easy to ring the threads.

If you want petrol go TSI

P.s i'm talking about the ko3 tfsi engine, the ko4 maybe a different entity altogether with quality.

tossy

Micky 32 wrote: »

Come on Tossy! I had one for 5 years. I have experience of both engines and i know what i'm talking about, and a litre every 5k?? Lol try 800 miles! Yes the follower is cheap but unpredictable. If you get to it too late you have a big bill ahead.

Having one for 1 year or 5 years makes no Difference Michael, if you know the engine you know it. A litre every 800 miles isn't on. I don't know of many doing that bad - time to sell it or rebuild it at that stage.

Micky 32

tossy wrote: »

Having one for 1 year or 5 years makes no Difference Michael, if you know the engine you know it. A litre every 800 miles isn't on. I don't know of many doing that bad - time to sell it or rebuild it at that stage.

A lot do it, it's a known problem. Mine done it from new. The issue is with the BWA engines might not affect the ko4 engines

tossy

Micky 32 wrote: »

A lot do it, it's a known problem. Mine done it from new. The issue is with the BWA engines might not affect the ko4 engines

Oil consumption is an issue alright, they even give you a little pouch in the boot that fits a 1l oil canister perfectly lol.

rn

Have you checked out with your insurance company, the change in price for your 2017 insurance?

I recently upgraded a 2008 TDI Comfortline Golf to a 161 Passat. I needed a proper family car. I had the choice of the highline 1.6(120bhp) or highline 2.0(150bhp) for similar enough money. For the 1.6 my insurance company wanted €20 extra for the year. For the 2.0 they wanted €450 extra!

Micky 32

OSI wrote: »

I'm sure wringing 300+ bhp out of a 200bhp engine would increase oil usage. I had a stock 200bhp BWA engine that rarely needed an oil top up outside it's 15,000km services, and I rode the absolute hole out of that engine for over 100,000km.

It burned oil stock done it stock, may have increased very slightly with 300bhp but very little. Apparently the BWA came out of the factory with badly seated rings or badly fitted rings not sure which. A new set of rings supposed to have sorted a lot out.

However like yourself, some were lucky not to have the issue.

tossy

Micky 32 wrote: »

It burned oil stock done it stock, may have increased very slightly with 300bhp but very little. Apparently the BWA came out of the factory with badly seated rings or badly fitted rings not sure which. A new set of rings supposed to have sorted a lot out.

However like yourself, some were lucky not to have the issue.

The funny thing being the BWA was an early updated engine to deal with issues due to poor fuel quality in different parts of the world.

Eoinbmw

Im currently looking at buying an 09 audi a6 avant 2l tfsi its engine code is BPJ!
Can anyone confirm if this engine code suffers from the timming chain tensioner issue its done 180000 kms!