Reason for congestions in Dublin

Johnboner

As a motorcycle rider I can very easily see what is happening inside the cars, basically what I noticed is that phone use or any other kind of activity except looking at the road is the cause for this. What I have seen is that people that are in the top 3 cars at the traffic lights usually have something in their hands most of the time a phone and when the lights turn green it takes them about 5 seconds to drop the phone, put the car in gear and drive off. As a result the lights turn red and traffic builds up. I really wouldn't care about the people like 30 cars behind but when you are first at a traffic light it is different. Drivers that drive unusually slowly also seem to be doing something else other than looking at the road.

9or10

Probably more interest/relevance in the Dublin forum >>>>>>>>>>>

Personally congestion for me is some old geezer with tractor, pulling a huge trailer and will the fecker pull in. Will he fock.

stimpson

Johnboner wrote: »

As a motorcycle rider I can very easily see what is happening inside the cars, basically what I noticed is that phone use or any other kind of activity except looking at the road is the cause for this. What I have seen is that people that are in the top 3 cars at the traffic lights usually have something in their hands most of the time a phone and when the lights turn green it takes them about 5 seconds to drop the phone, put the car in gear and drive off. As a result the lights turn red and traffic builds up. I really wouldn't care about the people like 30 cars behind but when you are first at a traffic light it is different. Drivers that drive unusually slowly also seem to be doing something else other than looking at the road.

How could you notice all this if you had your eyes on the road? You're part of the problem OP.

Maximus Alexander

I'd say a bigger reason for congestion is that Dublin is full of lazy feckers who can't go anywhere on foot. Nearly every car on the road has a single occupant, and many of them are making short journeys that could easily be walked or cycled. Need bread and milk? Ah sure I'll hop in the car and drive the 300 meters to Centra.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

The_Valeyard

9or10 wrote: »

Probably more interest/relevance in the Dublin forum >>>>>>>>>>>

Personally congestion for me is some old geezer with tractor, pulling a huge trailer and will the fecker pull in. Will he fock.

Just dont put it in the motor forum of 3/4 of AH will get cards.

Barry Badrinath

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

Worst type of road user.

Completely!

Grayson

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'd say a bigger reason for congestion is that Dublin is full of lazy feckers who can't go anywhere on foot. Nearly every car on the road has a single occupant, and many of them are making short journeys that could easily be walked or cycled. Need bread and milk? Ah sure I'll hop in the car and drive the 300 meters to Centra.

That and the fact that the city centre was designed for smaller numbers of horses and carts/carriages.

We need different thinking. We need a good public transport system, separate cycle lanes and to pedestrianise large chunks of the city centre.

Turtyturd

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

Obviously those ads demonstrating how those on motor bikes always abide by the rules of the road and all accidents involving them are the fault of car drivers haven't gotten through to you.

TBi

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Just dont put it in the motor forum of 3/4 of AH will get cards.

So you'd rather motorcyclists stay in the driving lane and create more congestion?

Maximus Alexander

Grayson wrote: »

That and the fact that the city centre was designed for smaller numbers of horses and carts/carriages.

We need different thinking. We need a good public transport system, separate cycle lanes and to pedestrianise large chunks of the city centre.

I agree, the place is fairly hostile to foot and bicycle traffic which wouldn't encourage many people to get out of the car. This even applies to the suburbs for the most part.

thee glitz

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'd say a bigger reason for congestion is that Dublin is full of lazy feckers who can't go anywhere on foot.

It could be that but why do you think so?

Maximus Alexander

thee glitz wrote: »

It could be that but why do you think so?

Observation. And nobody need take it as a personal insult; I'm not saying everyone who uses a car for anything is lazy.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

TBi wrote: »

So you'd rather motorcyclists stay in the driving lane and create more congestion?

They certainly don't speed thing up when they get in your way at the traffic lights.

Commotion Ocean

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

Pedal cyclists do it all the time. If cyclist want to have equal rights, then they should have equal responsibilities, no using contra-flow bus lanes, no weaving, no undertaking (overtake where feasible) and no breaking red lights.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

dfeo wrote: »

Pedal cyclists do it all the time. If cyclist want to have equal rights, then they should have equal responsibilities, no using contra-flow bus lanes, no weaving, no undertaking (overtake where feasible) and no breaking red lights.

Not disagreeing with you.

NickNickleby

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

They certainly don't speed thing up when they get in your way at the traffic lights.

AS a motorcyclist myself, if I've made my way to the front of the queue and you're first behind me, when the lights go green you won't even have your foot off the clutch before I'm gone.

Commotion Ocean

NickNickleby wrote: »

AS a motorcyclist myself, if I've made my way to the front of the queue and you're first behind me, when the lights go green you won't even have your foot off the clutch before I'm gone.

Spot on, that's why these bicycle bays just before the traffic lights annoy me. If cyclists are at the front of the queue, they'll slow down motorists moving off. I despise cyclists. They are a vermin, they should be shot. We should r[ up all cycle lanes and make parking spots instead.

Mod: Banned.

TallGlass

NickNickleby wrote: »

AS a motorcyclist myself, if I've made my way to the front of the queue and you're first behind me, when the lights go green you won't even have your foot off the clutch before I'm gone.

Can't say I have ever been held up by a motorcycle at the lights either nor do I have a problem with them filtering or cyclists filtering. Then again I am one of each.

Be good if you could turn left on a red if safe to do so. Like in the states they can turn right on red.

Topper Harley

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Worst type of road user.

Completely!

You both sound like road users who have a chip on their shoulder over motorcyclists not being stuck in traffic with you. Are you both one of those people that actually make an effort to block motorcyclists? Do you understand that when they pass you, they'll take off from the lights quicker than you and not hold you up? If other road users were more accommodating of motorcyclists, maybe more people would use them and there'd be less congestion.

When I'm driving my car and I see a bike coming, I do my best give it a reasonable amount of space. Once they're past, they crack on and I don't see them again, no harm to me at all. When I'm on my bike and someone does this for me, I'm very grateful. More often though, people will actively attempt to block me. I assume these people get some fulfilment out of their 'achievement'.

I don't mean to drag this into a cars versus bikes thread, I use both anyway.

ED E

dfeo wrote: »

Pedal cyclists do it all the time. If cyclist want to have equal rights, then they should have equal responsibilities, no using contra-flow bus lanes, no weaving, no undertaking (overtake where feasible) and no breaking red lights.

If you were a good motorist you'd be aware of the rules of the road and know that cyclists are allowed to forward filter in slow or stopped lanes of traffic.

Back to drivers ed with ya.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Topper Harley wrote: »

You both sound like road users who have a chip on their shoulder over motorcyclists not being stuck in traffic with you. Are you both one of those people that actually make an effort to block motorcyclists? get some fulfilment out of their 'achievement.

I can only speak for myself, and you are very wrong on all counts.

Del2005

Johnboner wrote: »

As a motorcycle rider I can very easily see what is happening inside the cars, basically what I noticed is that phone use or any other kind of activity except looking at the road is the cause for this. What I have seen is that people that are in the top 3 cars at the traffic lights usually have something in their hands most of the time a phone and when the lights turn green it takes them about 5 seconds to drop the phone, put the car in gear and drive off. As a result the lights turn red and traffic builds up. I really wouldn't care about the people like 30 cars behind but when you are first at a traffic light it is different. Drivers that drive unusually slowly also seem to be doing something else other than looking at the road.

So why was there congestion in cities before mobile phones became ubiquitous? Lack of green waves and medieval roads are problem.

Parchment

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

They certainly don't speed thing up when they get in your way at the traffic lights.

How do they get in your way at traffic lights? they have equal right to be on the road.

Topper Harley

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

I can only speak for myself, and you are very wrong on all counts.

So then what's your problem with motorcyclists filtering past you?

Del2005

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

The completely legal middle lane you mean, filtering is legal in this country so the lane isn't imagined.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Parchment wrote: »

How do they get in your way at traffic lights? they have equal right to be on the road.

In the town near me you can be sitting first at the lights when a motorbike pulls up alongside, having weaved through the stopped traffic. They then cut across your path when the lights change. They did not have an equal right to that spot on the road. But look, this is about Dublin and I'm sure it very different at Dublin traffic lights.

Topper Harley

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

In the town near me you can be sitting first at the lights when a motorbike pulls up alongside, having weaved through the stopped traffic. They then cut across your path when the lights change. They did not have an equal right to that spot on the road. But look, this is about Dublin and I'm sure it very different at Dublin traffic lights.

All I know is, you'd want to have some serious machine to be quicker away from the lights than me on my bike and the vast majority of motorbikes on the road would be the same.

LeinsterDub

Government after government shelving big ticket infrastructure items such as dart underground and metro north

Dr Crayfish

Zayn Important Sweetener wrote: »

You sound like you are one of those motorcyclists who use the imaginary middle lane to get to the top of the traffic jam

I don't have a motorbike but of course they're going to go this, I would, that's the beauty of a motorbike or bicycle, you don't have to sit in traffic for hours like a muppet.

Archeron

Crappily timed traffic light sequences

Dr Crayfish

dfeo wrote: »

Pedal cyclists do it all the time. If cyclist want to have equal rights, then they should have equal responsibilities, no using contra-flow bus lanes, no weaving, no undertaking (overtake where feasible) and no breaking red lights.

I cycle to work every day. The reason it beats driving is you can break all the rules as long as it's safe and there are no Garda around. I love love love how it annoys drivers too!

MadDog76

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I don't have a motorbike but of course they're going to go this, I would, that's the beauty of a motorbike or bicycle, you don't have to sit in traffic for hours like a muppet.

Motorbikes don't slow anybody down but Cyclists are all over the road getting in the way and slowing everybody down.

Dr Crayfish

MadDog76 wrote: »

Motorbikes don't slow anybody down but Cyclists are all over the road getting in the way and slowing everybody down.

As a cyclist myself, I couldn't care less!

MadDog76

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

As a cyclist myself, I couldn't care less!

As a Motorist I love "accidentally" clipping a slow Cyclists back wheel and driving off at 80kph while I watch him in the rearview mirror fumble for his phone to try take a picture of my Reg .......... good luck!

eeguy

MadDog76 wrote: »

As a Motorist I love "accidentally" clipping a slow Cyclists back wheel and driving off at 80kph while I watch him in the rearview mirror fumble for his phone to try take a picture of my Reg .......... good luck!

Yeah...sure...
Cool story bro. :rolleyes:

MadDog76

eeguy wrote: »

Yeah...sure...
Cool story bro. :rolleyes:

There's a couple of fuming Cyclists out there reading this and I'd just like to say to them ........ it wasn't me.

NiallBoo

Pretty simple - there just isn't enough physical space to cater for demand.

Creating more space isn't an option.

No new roads won't help (at best they'll just move congestion somewhere else)

All you can do is cut down on the amount of space required per person.

2 ways of doing this:

- Reduce journey length with improved planning, making it easier and nicer for people to live nearer work/whatever.

- Reduce the space taken at any moment by facilitating other transport methods. Walking, trains, bikes and buses all use much less room. So create the means for people to use them. It also makes a nicer place to live.

Changing this needs investment. It's a long-running and complex problem, something that - even if we made all the right moves - would take decades to bear fruit.

But we're just not good at planting trees.

Dr Crayfish

MadDog76 wrote: »

As a Motorist I love "accidentally" clipping a slow Cyclists back wheel and driving off at 80kph while I watch him in the rearview mirror fumble for his phone to try take a picture of my Reg .......... good luck!

So you're admitting to what could easily turn into manslaughter?

MadDog76

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

So you're admitting to what could easily turn into manslaughter?

Nope ......... wasn't me.

As some random Poster said up above it's just a "cool story" is all. :cool:

Peregrine

Nope. Only three pages in, we've already had suggestions of murder and other crimes by a few hardmen. We're not doing this here.

Take this discussion to the Dublin or Commuting & Transport forums where it belongs and I suggest you be more civil over there.