Best Country for Golfing Immigrant relocating.

thejourney

Irish male 28. New start.

Left golf back 9 years ago off 4 to attend college and start business. Gave up the dream for the security and education. Lived abroad with not golf courses. Sold business a few months ago as a success, and leaving european country I lived in where business was. Have life partner. No kids. Not coming back to Ireland even though its the best country for golf as I have the option to go some where else and Ireland will always be here.Weather big factor

Since giving up golf I feel there has been void in my life, Quality of life went down hill. Not playing any sports and a lack of english speakers friends has lead me to spend my free time walking around shopping centre- I know how ****ing depressing of a weekend is that. 10 years ago I was the king of my local golf club, I could not keep up with the invitations to play golf, and play on teams was even Captain. Took up my out of date clubs again at driving range at end of 2016 and realised that golf was a big factor in my movitation to succeed which is now gone in everything I do. No motivation, no killer drive,

Looking at countries that are golf friendly along with being able to live a normal live. Eg English speaking , good economy, life outside golf, 9 months of good weather, outdoor lifestyle


Money not a issue, however would want to work once settled. Looking to start small business as an interest . 70% golf/ 15% work/ 15 % family

Also for those who are thinking about giving up golf for money reasons, eg membership to expensive, or have child so need to cut back. DONT DO IT. Life is too short to give up something that makes you happy every time you hear it mentioned.


Will need Visa for USA, AUS, however can do NZ but weather not great.

Anyways thanks in advance

bailey99

You are 28 years old and left golf 9 years ago, i.e. when you were 19. And by the age of 19 you were Captain of your golf club????? That's fairly impressive.

Spain or Portugal by the sounds of what you are looking for kid.

CMOTDibbler

bailey99 wrote: »

You are 28 years old and left golf 9 years ago, i.e. when you were 19. And by the age of 19 you were Captain of your golf club????? That's fairly impressive.

Spain or Portugal by the sounds of what you are looking for kid.

Yeah, the language wouldn't really be a factor in many areas of Spain and Portugal, especially where there are golf courses and therefore a tourist industry.

All year round golf too. Plenty of tourism related business opportunities as well.

luvthegame

thejourney wrote: »

Will need Visa for USA, AUS, however can do NZ but weather not great.

Anyways thanks in advance

Congrats on your success. I lived in NZ for a while. Its a great place full of things for adrenaline junkies and nature enthusiasts. Its a long way from home though if you have ties here.

All things being equal Florida would be my choice. Weather, economy, great courses, 8 hour flight.

By the way have you ever trolled through the amateur club results from around Villamoura
Every second name is Irish. Lots of retired Irish and British there.

thejourney

luvthegame wrote: »

Congrats on your success. I lived in NZ for a while. Its a great place full of things for adrenaline junkies and nature enthusiasts. Its a long way from home though if you have ties here.

All things being equal Florida would be my choice. Weather, economy, great courses, 8 hour flight.

By the way have you ever trolled through the amateur club results from around Villamoura
Every second name is Irish. Lots of retired Irish and British there.

Thats interesting. Yeah, only thing about portugal is life outside would be hard. A lot of expats are a lot older and they don't need to leave the expat community. I believe that not being fully able to express yourself in the languauge would get you down after 5 years

First Up

thejourney wrote:

Thats interesting. Yeah, only thing about portugal is life outside would be hard. A lot of expats are a lot older and they don't need to leave the expat community. I believe that not being fully able to express yourself in the languauge would get you down after 5 years

Would 5 years not be more than enough time to learn it?

thejourney

First Up wrote: »

Would 5 years not be more than enough time to learn it?

Thats an illusion. learning a language in 5 years, you might be able to order, day to day living, but you can't have a meaningful conversation. Trust me. talk to police, arguing with doctor, lawyer, do business

First Up

thejourney wrote:

Thats an illusion. learning a language in 5 years, you might be able to order, day to day living, but you can't have a meaningful conversation. Trust me. talk to police, arguing with doctor, lawyer, do business

You must be joking. In five years living in a country and with even modest effort, anyone should be fluent.

If it was a complex script or tonal challenge like Thai or some Chinese dialects it would be harder but with a simple Latin based language like Portugese, you could have a decent conversation in 3 months and mastery in 12.

CalamariFritti

thejourney wrote: »

Thats an illusion. learning a language in 5 years, you might be able to order, day to day living, but you can't have a meaningful conversation. Trust me. talk to police, arguing with doctor, lawyer, do business

If you don't make any effort that's true. If you expect to pick it up along the way, learning a new word in a restaurant every other day or such non effort. But if you actually took courses and made a proper effort then 5 years is a very long time.

You'd be surprised what one can do when one has to. Like living there and only or mostly communicating with locals. But if one only hangs out with other expats in a silo that's a different story.

thejourney

First Up wrote: »

You must be joking. In five years living in a country and with even modest effort, anyone should be fluent.

If it was a complex script or tonal challenge like Thai or some Chinese dialects it would be harder but with a simple Latin based language like Portugese, you could have a decent conversation in 3 months and mastery in 12.

As someone who speaks two languages and had a success business using one . You will always be an outsider. There a certain things that only native speakers understand.

The whole idea of this thread is have an easier life.

Its not what you say, it's how you say something that determines a conversation.


You have obviously not worked abroad, or run a successful business before in another country before!

First Up

thejourney wrote:

You have obviously not worked abroad, or run a successful business before in another country before!

Wrong on all counts and I'm still waiting to know what is so hard about a language like Portugese that it takes you more than five years to have a meaningful conversation.

Of course there is a level that is hard for non native speakers to reach but everyday life - social and professional - can be conducted in a matter of months.

CMOTDibbler

thejourney wrote: »

Thats interesting. Yeah, only thing about portugal is life outside would be hard. A lot of expats are a lot older and they don't need to leave the expat community. I believe that not being fully able to express yourself in the languauge would get you down after 5 years

There aren't that many locations that offer golf, weather and the English language without the need for a visa.

That's why so many ex-pats go to Spain and Portugal. Two out of three ain't bad. Add in wobbly political issues in other Med countries and the middle east and you really don't have too many options.

thejourney

First Up wrote: »

Wrong on all counts and I'm still waiting to know what is so hard about a language like Portugese that it takes you more than five years to have a meaningful conversation.

Of course there is a level that is hard for non native speakers to reach but everyday life - social and professional - can be conducted in a matter of months.

I think my comment sounded pricky, Sorry about that. I feel personality I found it very difficult, I missed out on the craic you can have with native english, they just then to get it when you say a joke, quote a film, tell a story thats all

thejourney

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There aren't that many locations that offer golf, weather and the English language without the need for a visa.

That's why so many ex-pats go to Spain and Portugal. Two out of three ain't bad. Add in wobbly political issues in other Med countries and the middle east and you really don't have too many options.

Yes, I feel Europe is in big trouble. Not a business friendly place anymore Very socialist and thats why I sold company before the EU increase tax to 60 % to pay for their social system. Communist ideas. pay for terrorist and no police protection. I have seen EU government take peoples land and even one man apartment block to house refugess.

The EU would love if Ireland lost business by increasing tax. Ireland is the last standing captialist country left in EU.

Would like out of EU, as EU will be like South Africa in 10 years. All the intelligent white people will have left

FixdePitchmark

thejourney wrote: »

Yes, I feel Europe is in big trouble. Not a business friendly place anymore Very socialist and thats why I sold company before the EU increase tax to 60 % to pay for their social system. Communist ideas. pay for terrorist and no police protection. I have seen EU government take peoples land and even one man apartment block to house refugess.

The EU would love if Ireland lost business by increasing tax. Ireland is the last standing captialist country left in EU.

Would like out of EU, as EU will be like South Africa in 10 years. All the intelligent white people will have left

:eek::eek:

Try - pre war Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa - great golf over there.

First Up

thejourney wrote:

Yes, I feel Europe is in big trouble. Not a business friendly place anymore Very socialist and thats why I sold company before the EU increase tax to 60 % to pay for their social system. Communist ideas. pay for terrorist and no police protection. I have seen EU government take peoples land and even one man apartment block to house refugess.

The EU doesn't levy taxes.

This thread has a bit of a whiff off it.

FixdePitchmark

First Up wrote: »

The EU doesn't levy taxes.

This thread has a bit of a whiff off it.

Yes post 2 got it.

19 year old captain of bul****.

First Up

FixdePitchmark wrote:

Yes post 2 got it.

19 year old captain of bul****.

Indeed. In another thread he's been living in Australia.

Bye bye.

joxer1988

Not often we get action like this down the golf forum!

alxmorgan

joxer1988 wrote: »

Not often we get action like this down the golf forum!

Might have been his new years resolution
Bring some colour to us during the lean winter months

CMOTDibbler

First Up wrote: »

Indeed. In another thread he's been living in Australia.

Bye bye.

And working in an office for an employer.

The bullcrap is strong in this one

FixdePitchmark

joxer1988 wrote: »

Not often we get action like this down the golf forum!

Yes - but could it actually be funny and make sense.

It was like a bad episode of The Office mixed with Dragons Den.

A golfer who knows nothing about golf - a buisness man who knows nothing about buisness and a linguist who is more like Basil Fawlty.

You'd miss a good auld troll - The Rape of Lucretia is much needed here.

Also - a thread with a lad off say 12 who wants to go pro - or likes of auld conno. They were the best.

The forum needs a bit of life.

Thanks - best of luck The Journey - amazing you didn't mention - Deep South USA - Trump in now. Low tax. Not communist.

A good club there called Augusta National or something - only blacks are caddies. Heaven.

First Up

FixdePitchmark wrote:

Thanks - best of luck The Journey - amazing you didn't mention - Deep South USA - Trump in now. Low tax. Not communist.

A good club there called Augusta National or something - only blacks are caddies. Heaven.

And they nearly speak English.

FixdePitchmark

First Up wrote: »

And they nearly speak English.

This is The Journey in his digs in Georgia.

golfer555

Does anyone remember Conno, now he was one of the best trolls the golf forum ever had!

thejourney

Well that escalated. Calling me a racist troll. Really? If you look throw my previous posts you find questions that are not related to even though some are?. I was in AUS never said i wasn't?? whats the problm

Was there for business. Just because you own a business does not mean you can't work for some one else to gain experience in a special field. Was junior captain when 19. who is that odd?

If you all think I am fully of BS that fine. I know what I am.

Also the EU is in trouble and operating a private business within central Europe is fully of regulations and red tape , what has got to do with Trump, Nazis Germany, black people??????

FixdePitchmark

thejourney wrote: »

Well that escalated. Calling me a racist troll. Really? If you look throw my previous posts you find questions that are not related to even though some are?. I was in AUS never said i wasn't?? whats the problm

Was there for business. Just because you own a business does not mean you can't work for some one else to gain experience in a special field. Was junior captain when 19. who is that odd?

If you all think I am fully of BS that fine. I know what I am.

Also the EU is in trouble and operating a private business within central Europe is fully of regulations and red tape , what has got to do with Trump, Nazis Germany, black people??????

This is your own quote.

"Would like out of EU, as EU will be like South Africa in 10 years. All the intelligent white people will have left".

ronnie3585

thejourney

First Up wrote: »

The EU doesn't levy taxes.

This thread has a bit of a whiff off it.

NO, So why does apple have to pay Ireland. Did Ireland say apple owed the tax or did the Eu say that smart man?

The only Whiff is off your comment:rolleyes:

thejourney

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

This is your own quote.

"Would like out of EU, as EU will be like South Africa in 10 years. All the intelligent white people will have left".

Intelligent white people did leave..so what wrong with my comment?

Intelligent white people leave Ireland ever day..so what your point?

Its called a brain drain and leaves a country without skilled workers

You need to fixyourfacts

FixdePitchmark

thejourney wrote: »

Intelligent white people did leave..so what wrong with my comment?

Intelligent white people leave Ireland ever day..so what your point?

Its called a brain drain and leaves a country without skilled workers

You need to fixyourfacts

And what has white got to do with it ?

You knew what you were typing paricularly when you used South Africa.

thejourney

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

And what has white got to do with it ?

You knew what you were typing paricularly when you used South Africa.

Yeah exactly whats your problem with the term white people ?

I don't understand your comment Perhaps you can explain?

First Up

thejourney wrote:

NO, So why does apple have to pay Ireland. Did Ireland say apple owed the tax or did the Eu say that smart man?

Countries levy taxes, not the EU. What sort business did you set up?

thejourney

First Up wrote: »

Countries levy taxes, not the EU. What sort business did you set up?

Lets fix this confusion

The EU was set up to make Europe one big nation. The EU bully countries into following its law and regulations. Eg, Trying to bully Ireland to increase its Company tax ? or what about the Lisbon treaty? I though we rejected that?:rolleyes: No, "do it again Ireland and accept"

The EU can over turn a national court cases, Do you think the EU does not dertermine tax


so who's idea was the water tax? EU
So who's idea was the house tax? EU

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/irish-water-crisis/there-is-no-going-back-on-water-charges-eu-34836773.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/property-tax-take-should-rise-with-house-prices-eu-1.2550421

I am not going to talk my business here as thats a private topic and in the past now. All I have to say is that It was a device.

First Up

thejourney wrote:

All I have to say is that It was a device.

I think we all see that.

Bye bye.

BigChap1759

Let's just rewind here - you came onto a golf forum to get advice on where you should move to live that is good for golf, did I get that right??!??

Kingswood Rover

Wind me up in me oilskins and blankets.

thejourney

First Up wrote: »

I think we all see that.

Bye bye.

Great way to end an argument you lost. Insult the poster, rather than the post. :rolleyes:

Anyways

thejourney

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Let's just rewind here - you came onto a golf forum to get advice on where you should move to live that is good for golf, did I get that right??!??

yeah I was , before I was called a racist for using the term white people???

Nowadays in Ireland you must not use the word white to describe yourself even though your white. I must have been away for too long

So if the police ask me what did the robber look like? I will say he looked like a human.:rolleyes:

FixdePitchmark

thejourney wrote: »

yeah I was , before I was called a racist for using the term white people???

Nowadays in Ireland you must not use the word white to describe yourself even though your white. I must have been away for too long

So if the police ask me what did the robber look like? I will say he looked like a human.:rolleyes:

You used White in the context of intelligent South Africans. Wouldn't take Biko to be offended by that.

Your back tracking - it isn't a business forum.

What do you want ?

A place you don't need a visa with English and good golf - with good weather.

Not US - Not New Zealand or Auz

Try Portugal - in an expat area.

All Irish there, with good golf, weather and brilliant business acumen - full of NAMA lads and only intelligent whites.

They will be mad for an ex Junior Captain like yourself , only thing is there is no Pierce Purcell over there - and I hear the Portuguese are not only dark skinned - but unreal bandits.

thejourney

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

You used White in the context of intelligent South Africans. Wouldn't take Biko to be offended by that.

Your back tracking - it isn't a business forum.

What do you want ?

A place you don't need a visa with English and good golf - with good weather.

Not US - Not New Zealand or Auz

Try Portugal - in an expat area.

All Irish there, with good golf, weather and brilliant business acumen - full of NAMA lads and only intelligent whites.

They will be mad for an ex Junior Captain like yourself , only thing is there is no Pierce Purcell over there - and I hear the Portuguese are not only dark skinned - but unreal bandits.

You do know that there are white africans who speak Afrikaans? Not all africans are black.

Thats like saying all Irish people have to be white to be Irish. You do know that there are black Irish, brown Irish etc?

Why you trying to make this into a colour thing?

neckedit

thejourney wrote: »

You do know that there are white africans who speak Afrikaans? Not all africans are black.

Thats like saying all Irish people have to be white to be Irish. You do know that there are black Irish, brown Irish etc?

Why you trying to make this into a colour thing?

Jesus man!! Wind your neck in just a bit. Read back through your post objectively........ they don't read well. If your as wealthy as you are trying to tell us you are.... and as intelligent as you believe yourself to be, I'm pretty sure you don't need to come on to an anonymous forum to get ideas where to live......

Jawgap

thejourney wrote: »

As someone who speaks two languages and had a success business using one . ......

Sorry, not buying this at all......your standard of written English leads me to conclude you are either not a native speaker or are educated in more recent years (and are therefore incredibly young and just out for a giggle).....given your disregard for spelling, grammar and syntax.

thejourney wrote: »

Lets fix this confusion

Yes, let's.

thejourney wrote: »

The EU was set up to make Europe one big nation.

It wasn't.

thejourney wrote: »

The EU bully countries into following its law and regulations. Eg, Trying to bully Ireland to increase its Company tax ? or what about the Lisbon treaty? I though we rejected that?:rolleyes: No, "do it again Ireland and accept"

Wrong again. If anything we retain the potential through our veto to 'bully' the other 27 Member States. Plus as a Member State we get representation in the various institutions that way exceeds our size, for example we get a Commissioner, a judge in the ECJ etc and so does Germany, for example, despite having a population that's 20 times larger than ours.

thejourney wrote: »

The EU can over turn a national court cases, Do you think the EU does not dertermine tax

It doesn't (determine taxes). Irish courts are compelled to interpret our laws in a way that is consistent with EU law, but that requirement was introduced by ourselves, as part of the process of joining up.

thejourney wrote: »

so who's idea was the water tax? EU
So who's idea was the house tax? EU

Wrong again - in the case of water, the relevant directive requires charging.....directives are agreed through the EU Parliament and Council which are populated by our elected representatives.....with the method/means of charging being left up to the Member State.

A residential property tax was not mandated by the EU, but it was by the Troika and really just represented a re-introduction of rates, but in a fairer form.

thejourney wrote: »

I am not going to talk my business here as thats a private topic and in the past now. All I have to say is that It was a device.

That's your prerogative, but I find it difficult to believe that someone who set up what sounds like an international business marketing/selling a 'device' could be so ill-informed in respect of the EU given that any device must have gone though the 'CE' process before being marketed in the EU?

As to your original question, if it was me, and I had the means, I'd spend summers in Scandinavia/Scotland - you can't be midnight golf!! and winters in the south of Spain/Portugal.

bailey99

thejourney wrote: »

I think my comment sounded pricky, Sorry about that. I feel personality I found it very difficult, I missed out on the craic you can have with native english, they just then to get it when you say a joke, quote a film, tell a story thats all

I'm reading through your posts and can understand why you don't think you could learn a language in 5 years. Your English is very poor with spelling and grammar mistakes a plenty.

bailey99

thejourney wrote: »

Well that escalated. Calling me a racist troll. Really? If you look throw my previous posts you find questions that are not related to even though some are?. I was in AUS never said i wasn't?? whats the problm

Was there for business. Just because you own a business does not mean you can't work for some one else to gain experience in a special field. Was junior captain when 19. who is that odd?

If you all think I am fully of BS that fine. I know what I am.

Also the EU is in trouble and operating a private business within central Europe is fully of regulations and red tape , what has got to do with Trump, Nazis Germany, black people??????

11 grammar and spelling mistakes in that post alone.

kieran.

When did this become an English teachers grammar lounge,I thought it was a Golf Forum.... no?

First Up

bailey99 wrote: »

11 grammar and spelling mistakes in that post alone.

He couldn't get a visa for any of the countries he'd like because he can't fill out the application form properly?

bailey99

kieran. wrote: »

When did this become an English teachers grammar lounge? I thought it was a Golf Forum.... no?

Nearly a gold star for you Kieran. You should have split your statement into two sentences I believe.

First Up

bailey99 wrote: »

Nearly a gold star for you Kieran. You should have split your statement into two sentences I believe.

And it should be English teachers'.

alxmorgan

Grammar Nazis and actual Nazis in this thread it seems !!

charlieIRL

Sorry lads, but I have never read such rubbish on here before