Job interview

boardsuser1

Had an interview in Dublin on December 23rd with a transportation company.

As of the time of writing I have heard nothing back.

I've sent an email to the HR manager outlining my interest in the job and long story short I really really want it.

Despite this email I've had no reply.

I rang the office to see was he unavailable as he had left for the night and was told call back tomorrow.

In the interview I was never told how long it was going to be before a decision was made nor did I ask.

Is it a case of give up and move on to the next potential interview?

Turtle_

At a guess.. It's the Christmas break. Wait til Wednesday.

hairyslug

Move on but don't give up on this job. My last interview, I waiting 3 weeks to get a call back for 2nd interview. It's Christmas time, businesses slow down greatly at this time of year so it may just take a small bit longer than normal.
Good luck.

tracey turnblad

The transportation company could be closed for the Christmas or at least the HR dept. I wouldn't go bothering them again as you may come across as a pain and it may go against you. Keep your options open and keep looking and if you hear back you got the job well that's a bonus

wally1990

As above 23rd was the interview and practically everywhere shuts down until 3rd . Even at that they are prob still discussing the interviews or interviewing more after the 3rd but don't panic HR should be in contact regardless of the outcome personally I'd wait until the end of next week and ring on the Monday 9th for an update

boardsuser1

Thanks for the replies guys.

I'll give it until Monday week and I'll give it one last try.

The HR manager is present as was confirmed by my phone call earlier but I missed him.

He did ask me for references unless that is impacting the decision.

KC161

I'd say they are in holiday mode and you seem to be a tad beyond keen with the email and the phone call.

KC161 wrote: »

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In the interview I was never told how long it was going to be before a decision was made nor did I ask..............

Going forward you should perhaps ask, you don't seem to have patience to wait things out.

tracey turnblad

The place is going to be closed (at least HR) between now and Monday what progress do you expect to be made? If I was the HR person deciding,, you constantly calling wouldn't impress me in fact it would make me think if he's like this before we hire him what will he be like afterwards. Chill out, keep looking, if it's meant for you it won't pass you.

tracey turnblad

The place is going to be closed (at least HR) between now and Monday what progress do you expect to be made? If I was the HR person deciding you constantly calling wouldn't impress me in fact it would make me think if he's like this before we hire him what will he be like afterwards. Chill out, keep looking, if it's meant for you it won't pass you.

boardsuser1

Augeo wrote: »

I'd say they are in holiday mode and you seem to be a tad beyond keen with the email and the phone call.



Going forward you should perhaps ask, you don't seem to have patience to wait things out.

Oh I'm beyond it definitely. I want that job so bad I cannot describe it. I just hope to Christ it doesn't make them think negatively of me. But transport is in my DNA.

I live in Cork and got up at 5am to be in Dublin for the interview at 9am. I've never driven so far for an interview in my life. Doubt I ever will again.

In relation to being patient I agree, only that whenever I've waited this long in the past it hadn't been positive. I won't contact them between now and the 9th of January.

I did do this before with a Cork company and my persistence paid off, not every company is like that though.

tracey turnblad

Just seen now you said Monday week, so apologies for that I read it wrong. I'm sure they will contact you either way so no real need for you to contact them

boardsuser1

tracey turnblad wrote: »

Just seen now you said Monday week, so apologies for that I read it wrong. I'm sure they will contact you either way so no real need for you to contact them

Yeah. I'll hang on until then. One call on January 9th and I'll keep looking other than that. Had another informal offer of work but that doesn't interest me as much as the one I went to Dublin for.

messy tessy

Being asked to supply references sounds promising!

Best of luck with it

boardsuser1

messy tessy wrote: »

Being asked to supply references sounds promising!

Best of luck with it

Thanks, fingers crossed. I should have also explained in my OP that the reason I'm half panicking is in the interview I did mention I have my child from a previous relationship twice weekly, and initially explained I couldn't do those times.

However I've spoken to the child's mother and me getting a job can be accommodated.

I sent that in an email on the evening following the interview.

The email sent yesterday was asking basically when will I hear back from them,I didn't put it like that in the email naturally.

toadfly

Why are you going to contact them again on the 9th? Do you expect them to say yes you have the job but we were waiting for you to call us before we offered it to you?

I have been involved in recruiting where I work and your approach would drive me cracked.

Relax; if you are the best person for the job you will be offered it.

Nervous Wreck

toadfly wrote: »

Why are you going to contact them again on the 9th? Do you expect them to say yes you have the job but we were waiting for you to call us before we offered it to you?

I have been involved in recruiting where I work and your approach would drive me cracked.

Relax; if you are the best person for the job you will be offered it.

Indeed. At this stage, it's very unlikely that any further action you take will positively impact your chances so it would be best to be patient.

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KC161 wrote: »

I should have also explained in my OP that the reason I'm half panicking is in the interview I did mention I have my child from a previous relationship twice weekly, and initially explained I couldn't do those times.

That may go against you, however, nothing you can do about it now.

What is concerning is that you had an interview on the day 99% of companies break up for Christmas until the new year and you rang looking for an update. That shows naivety - sorry to say.

The HR manager facilitates the interview process, but hardly ever has a say on the actual hire. That's normally your would be direct manager's call. S/He has certainly not given your interview another thought since the 23rd and most likely will be very busy on their return on the 3rd of January and may not get back to the successful candidate until after the first week or so. Or they might get back to you on the 3rd.

TL/DR take Frankie Goes to Hollywood's advice - RELAX

average_runner

Just ease off a bit. I have conducted interviews in a different industry and it could take me a week to get back to hr, since it xmas it could be 2 weeks.

I take it there was more than just hr at the interview? If so the other person could be on hols and not provided feedback yet to hr.

boardsuser1

toadfly wrote: »

Why are you going to contact them again on the 9th? Do you expect them to say yes you have the job but we were waiting for you to call us before we offered it to you?

I have been involved in recruiting where I work and your approach would drive me cracked.

Relax; if you are the best person for the job you will be offered it.

I am currently on social welfare, the inspectors have said if I hear nothing within a week to contact them with a gentle reminder that you are still interested.

boardsuser1

Avatar MIA wrote: »

That may go against you, however, nothing you can do about it now.

What is concerning is that you had an interview on the day 99% of companies break up for Christmas until the new year and you rang looking for an update. That shows naivety - sorry to say.

The HR manager facilitates the interview process, but hardly ever has a say on the actual hire. That's normally your would be direct manager's call. S/He has certainly not given your interview another thought since the 23rd and most likely will be very busy on their return on the 3rd of January and may not get back to the successful candidate until after the first week or so. Or they might get back to you on the 3rd.

TL/DR take Frankie Goes to Hollywood's advice - RELAX

You wouldn't believe the amount of jobs it has cost me.

I have managed to get it sorted should i be offered the job.

I listen to that regularly 🙂

boardsuser1

average_runner wrote: »

Just ease off a bit. I have conducted interviews in a different industry and it could take me a week to get back to hr, since it xmas it could be 2 weeks.

I take it there was more than just hr at the interview? If so the other person could be on hols and not provided feedback yet to hr.

I'm backing off completely. Just hoping for the best now.

average_runner

KC161 wrote: »

I'm backing off completely. Just hoping for the best now.

Yep, you did your best and keep looking. You keep showing the hunger the right job will come.

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KC161 wrote: »

I am currently on social welfare, the inspectors have said if I hear nothing within a week to contact them with a gentle reminder that you are still interested.

Not sure what makes them an expert on job seeking advice, but if they suggested you contact your potential employer between Christmas an New Year, safe to say you should nod your head and simply ignore in future.

KC161 wrote: »

You wouldn't believe the amount of jobs it has cost me.

I have managed to get it sorted should i be offered the job.

This I would convey in an email, just keep it simple. I'd also not mention in future, especially if it has cost you numerous jobs and you can now work around.

Good luck!

Turtle_

KC161 wrote: »

I am currently on social welfare, the inspectors have said if I hear nothing within a week to contact them with a gentle reminder that you are still interested.

Don't.

Ask them if they can think of a single case where doing that has gotten a response of "Oh yeah, we meant to offer you the job but a week had gone by so we forgot about you/didn't think you were still interested / are still interviewing candidates but seeing as you rang, would you like the job?"

tracey turnblad

I've three kids and never mention childcare at an interview, or my kids for that matter it's none of their business

boardsuser1

Avatar MIA wrote: »

[/B]Not sure what makes them an expert on job seeking advice, but if they suggested you contact your potential employer between Christmas an New Year, safe to say you should nod your head and simply ignore in future.



This I would convey in an email, just keep it simple. I'd also not mention in future, especially if it has cost you numerous jobs and you can now work around.

Good luck!

I was given a stern warning that unless I showed evidence of trying to get work my payment would be cut. I'm already finding it difficult enough on €160 a week while trying to maintain 4 kids. They have the fear of god put into me.

I sent an email advising I have that issue sorted.

boardsuser1

tracey turnblad wrote: »

I've three kids and never mention childcare at an interview, or my kids for that matter it's none of their business

1 of my kids is from a previous relationship, access by court order, therefore I had to declare that at the time, the mother seems willing to accommodate my request without going back to court for some strange reason as it has been a battle for the last 10 years straight.

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KC161 wrote: »

1 of my kids is from a previous relationship, access by court order, therefore I had to declare that at the time,

Why, get offered the job first. Everybody in the interview situation puts their best forward, and leaves the unsavoury aside.

You leave out you may have issues around certain times (unless they specifically ask) and they neglect to mention that Mary in accounts is an absolute bore or that Tim from marketing is a bit touchy feely.

Avatar MIA

To add, and possibly labour the point too much, there's a psychology involved.

If recruiters know of certain problems before decision time it becomes, 'Yeah, this candidate would cause us X and Y problems if we considered him/her.'

Post offer this changes to, 'Well, this is the guy/gal we want, what can we do to accommodate them?'.

Turtle_

BTW, it's not a surprise your ex is willing to be a bit flexible with you getting a job. Job = higher income = more €€€€ in maintenance (and rightly so). Say nothing about the kids - they can't ask, and work off the assumption that you will be able to figure out the access stuff.

boardsuser1

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Why, get offered the job first. Everybody in the interview situation puts their best forward, and leaves the unsavoury aside.

You leave out you may have issues around certain times (unless they specifically ask) and they neglect to mention that Mary in accounts is an absolute bore or that Tim from marketing is a bit touchy feely.

I was asked are there any days/dates I couldn't work.

boardsuser1

Turtle_ wrote: »

BTW, it's not a surprise your ex is willing to be a bit flexible with you getting a job. Job = higher income = more €€€€ in maintenance (and rightly so). Say nothing about the kids - they can't ask, and work off the assumption that you will be able to figure out the access stuff.

It is to be honest, She has seen her welfare go down and her rent go up (council house) as a result of what I am giving in maintenance. Especially as she said recently she has no intentions of bringing me back to court again and vice versa.

boardsuser1

Got my answer. They have decided to 'move forward with other candidates, but we will keep your cv on file'

For a company advertising weekly for drivers I must have severely fúcked up.

I'll learn from my mistakes.

A waste of a day and diesel.

Life goes on.

boardsuser1

Here is the exact reply below;


Hi KC,



Hope you’re keeping well.



Thank you for coming into us for the Interview.



At this time, we have decided to move forward with other candidates.



However your CV will be kept on file for future reference.



We appreciate the interest you have shown us and we wish you continued success in your career endeavours.

Turtle_

Sorry to hear it didn't work out. Thank them for the opportunity to interview, and ask for feedback.

boardsuser1

Turtle_ wrote: »

Sorry to hear it didn't work out. Thank them for the opportunity to interview, and ask for feedback.

Thanks.

How do I put it in a professional way? I debated ringing them straight away but decided against it.

What would you say to them if it was yourself?

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KC161 wrote: »

Thanks.

How do I put it in a professional way? I debated ringing them straight away but decided against it.

What would you say to them if it was yourself?

I would also comment on the letter, 'for future reference I am fully available for the required days.'

Not knowing anything else about the interview, that you had to tell them you were not available certain days would not have been good. The interview may have already been over at that stage, and just going through the motions.

I know you told them subsequently that you were available, but that may not have been communicated to the decision makers.

Turtle_

If it was me, I'd probably say something along the lines of

"Many thanks for the opportunity to interview at X. I am keen to progress my career in this direction, so I would appreciate feedback from the interviewers if this is available.

Kind Regards,

KC"

Eta: include the bit above about being available for all days. So say something like "Should any future opportunities arise I hope you will consider me for the role. I am available for all the required days.

Kind Regards,"

boardsuser1

Turtle_ wrote: »

If it was me, I'd probably say something along the lines of

"Many thanks for the opportunity to interview at X. I am keen to progress my career in this direction, so I would appreciate feedback from the interviewers if this is available.

Kind Regards,

KC"

Eta: include the bit above about being available for all days. So say something like "Should any future opportunities arise I hope you will consider me for the role. I am available for all the required days.

Kind Regards,"

Sent something similar to the above mentioned shortly after you posted it. Heard nothing back, unlikely I will I reckon. What do people here reckon of linkedin? Is it very effective? I'm a connection with the HR administrator of the company.

GalwayGrrrrrl

KC161 wrote: »

Sent something similar to the above mentioned shortly after you posted it. Heard nothing back, unlikely I will I reckon. What do people here reckon of linkedin? Is it very effective? I'm a connection with the HR administrator of the company.

I'm on linked in and find it a good way to see what jobs are available. Make sure your linked people are in the profession you are interested in and build a strong network on there.
A bit of advice- at future interview don't mention children. The interviewer not allowed to ask so don't give them the chance to use that against you. They asked about dates you couldn't work in case you had pre-booked a holiday. Just reply- "no, no holidays booked this year" if you get asked again.

Ronan H

I hope you sell your passion and desire for the job at future interviews as much as you did here. Good luck with the hunt. 

LollipopJimmy

I wouldn't contact them again if you hear nothing else.

Sorry to be blunt if a candidate mailed me twice and called the company over the Christmas break it would make me think twice about hiring. I would always suggest giving at least 10 working days after interview before contacting c for feedback.

I have also dealt with Social Welfare Case Workers on a professional basis and I swear to good god I've never met a more delusional group of people, we agreed to take cvs for entry level sales roles in our company and they pushed people on us that were hugely unsuitable. I wouldn't take their advice in any capacity if I was you.

In saying the above please carry your enthusiasm into the next interview you get but just try to keep yourself in check!

boardsuser1

xfactorfan23 wrote: »

I'm on linked in and find it a good way to see what jobs are available. Make sure your linked people are in the profession you are interested in and build a strong network on there.
A bit of advice- at future interview don't mention children. The interviewer not allowed to ask so don't give them the chance to use that against you. They asked about dates you couldn't work in case you had pre-booked a holiday. Just reply- "no, no holidays booked this year" if you get asked again.

Yeah i'm sticking to the transport sector for my connections. That is where I have the experience.
I made a blunder so with the children bit.
Never had mentoring/coaching in job seeking before.
Until I had kids I never had much of an issue with applications, should've thought of it really, oh hindsight!

boardsuser1

Ronan H wrote: »

I hope you sell your passion and desire for the job at future interviews as much as you did here. Good luck with the hunt. 

Thank you

Yes the transport industry is my passion and is what I enjoy most outside my family.

boardsuser1

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I wouldn't contact them again if you hear nothing else.

Sorry to be blunt if a candidate mailed me twice and called the company over the Christmas break it would make me think twice about hiring. I would always suggest giving at least 10 working days after interview before contacting c for feedback.

I have also dealt with Social Welfare Case Workers on a professional basis and I swear to good god I've never met a more delusional group of people, we agreed to take cvs for entry level sales roles in our company and they pushed people on us that were hugely unsuitable. I wouldn't take their advice in any capacity if I was you.

In saying the above please carry your enthusiasm into the next interview you get but just try to keep yourself in check!

I'd say the kids part was a contributing factor but not the sole reason.

The welfare are onto me fortnightly now.

Were the people sent to you inexperienced?

I reckon references were a major factor in the decision.

See attached link which kind of explains it.

Would you recommend I reapply to the company again or leave it indefinitely?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057654079

LollipopJimmy

Welfare literally sent me every cv they got as far as I could see and then if I didn't contact the person after reviewing cvs they wanted to know why, as if I was obliged to contact every candidate they sent.

If I was you I'd write off the agencies that got a bad reference for you, you'll be on their database with the reference attached and they won't put you forward.

What I would suggest is pick out all the companies you'd like to work for and apply directly. They may or may not be hiring but with recruitment fees averaging at 12-15% of first years salary it'll give you an edge if you are on a par with other candidates

I'm on my phone so apologies if editing is all over the place

boardsuser1

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Welfare literally sent me every cv they got as far as I could see and then if I didn't contact the person after reviewing cvs they wanted to know why, as if I was obliged to contact every candidate they sent.

If I was you I'd write off the agencies that got a bad reference for you, you'll be on their database with the reference attached and they won't put you forward.

What I would suggest is pick out all the companies you'd like to work for and apply directly. They may or may not be hiring but with recruitment fees averaging at 12-15% of first years salary it'll give you an edge if you are on a par with other candidates

I'm on my phone so apologies if editing is all over the place

I reckon i'll be called back in for another meeting soon enough.

Can the welfare compel a company to employ someone?

I'm overlooking agencies now in my efforts to secure work as the money is very poor compared to direct employment with companies.

I've looked at what is there so far and apart from repetitive advertising from the same said agencies i'm limited.

Other jobs I've been looking at, whilst suitable, require garda vetting, and I have already had rejections in that area also.

Might be time to give up on transport and look into something else.

trying to find something that has good take home pay and not needing qualifications is very tough.

I'm in my 30's with 4 young kids and whilst college isn't an immediate priority, it may well have to become one.

These interviews aren't working out at all well.

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KC161 wrote: »

Can the welfare compel a company to employ someone?

No.

KC161 wrote: »

I'm overlooking agencies now in my efforts to secure work as the money is very poor compared to direct employment with companies.

As the saying goes, it's easier to get a job with a job. With that in mind, keep your options open.

boardsuser1

Avatar MIA wrote: »

No.




As the saying goes, it's easier to get a job with a job. With that in mind, keep your options open.

Yes that is true. When I was previously working I was inundated with offers. Now I'm idle I can't get anything half decent . I'll keep trying as the man says.