Coláiste an Átha, Kilmuckridge.

ITCabbage

Hi,

Does anyone know anything about the Level 5 Certificate in Agriculture night class.
Is it anygood.
What length is the course.
How much is the course.
Is it worth doing.

Thanks

Icelandicseige

ITCabbage wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know anything about the Level 5 Certificate in Agriculture night class.
Is it anygood.
What length is the course.
How much is the course.
Is it worth doing.

Thanks

Done it there the first year they started it. Can't remember the price think it's the same every were you go.
Paul who is over it is a top man. Will do everything he can for you. You won't get better! It's defintly worth doing if you need the green cert.

Grueller

Easiest green cert going. Roughly €500 cheaper than the teagasc distance option too.

Grueller

Just to add I haven't got the greenew cert done yet. On the bucket list.

ITCabbage

Ya same here in the "list" for the green cert. And God only knows for how long so just want to find some alternatives.

Grueller

ITCabbage wrote: »

Ya same here in the "list" for the green cert. And God only knows for how long so just want to find some alternatives.

Looks like Collaiste an Atha is my only option as with full time work by God they don't make it easy to do.

ITCabbage

Sure when did the ever make things easy for farmers!

badgerhowlin

Hi,

the course is starting Monday.
It seem to be an INTENSIVE course.
LV 5 -> 6.30-9.30 Every Monday and Thursday til mid June the
LV 6 -> October to March probable same times.

Practicals on Saturdays when needed.

The_Pretender

Another one here yet to do the green cert. Are there any advantages at all in doing this course? My plan was to head straight into the green cert when the time comes. Does this course give exemptions/require less time in college when it comes to doing the actual green cert?

Grueller

The_Pretender wrote: »

Another one here yet to do the green cert. Are there any advantages at all in doing this course? My plan was to head straight into the green cert when the time comes. Does this course give exemptions/require less time in college when it comes to doing the actual green cert?

This is the green cert.

The_Pretender

Grueller wrote: »

This is the green cert.

The Green Cert is a level 6, this course is a level 5 cert in agriculture. To avail of the Stamp Duty exemption you need a level 6. My dad had issues with his farm transfer as is was only a level 5. from Warrenstown.

According to the Revenue leaflet on Stamp Duty Exemption:

Schedule 2B Qualifications
When filling out the application form, please give the full title of the qualification.
1. Qualifications awarded by the Qualifications and Quality Assurance Authority of Ireland*
:
a) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Farming;
b) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Agriculture;
c) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Dairy Herd Management;
d) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Drystock Management;
e) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Agricultural Mechanisation;
f) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Farm Management;
g) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Machinery and Crop Management;
h) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Horticulture;
i) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Forestry;
j) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Stud Management;
k) Level 6 Advanced Certificate in Horsemanship;
l) Level 6 Specific Purpose Certificate in Farm Administration.

2. Qualifications awarded by the Qualifications and Quality Assurance Authority of Ireland*
:
a) Higher Certificate in Agriculture;
b) Bachelor of Science in Agriculture;
c) Higher Certificate in Agricultural Science;
d) Bachelor of Science in Agricultural Science;
e) Bachelor of Science (Honours) in Land Management, Agriculture;
f) Bachelor of Science (Honours) in Land Management, Horticulture;
g) Bachelor of Science (Honours) in Land Management, Forestry;
h) Higher Certificate in Engineering in Agricultural Mechanisation;
i) Bachelor of Business in Rural Enterprise and Agri-Business;
j) Bachelor of Science in Agriculture and Environmental Management;
k) Bachelor of Science in Horticulture;
l) Bachelor of Arts (Honours) in Horticultural Management;
m) Bachelor of Science in Forestry;
n) Higher Certificate in Business in Equine Studies;
o) Bachelor of Business in Equine Studies;
p) Higher Certificate in Science Applied Agriculture;
q) Bachelor of Science (Honours) in Sustainable Agriculture.
3. Qualifications awarded by other third-level institutions:
a) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Animal Crop Production awarded by University College
Dublin;
aa) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Agri-Environmental Science awarded by University College
Dublin;
b) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Animal Science awarded by University College Dublin;
ba) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Animal Science Equine awarded by University College
Dublin;
bb) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Dairy Business awarded by University College Dublin;
c) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Food and Agribusiness Management awarded by University
College Dublin;
d) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Forestry awarded by University College Dublin;
e) Bachelor of Agricultural Science - Horticulture, Landscape and Sportsturf Management
awarded by University College Dublin;
f) Bachelor of Veterinary Medicine awarded by University College Dublin;
g) Bachelor of Science in Equine Science awarded by the University of Limerick;
h) Diploma in Equine Science awarded by the University of Limerick;
i) Bachelor of Science (Honours) in Agriculture awarded by the Dundalk Institute of Technology

According to that a level 5 Certificate in Agriculture won't do the job, it has to be a Higher Certificate in Agriculture.

Grueller

The_Pretender wrote: »

The Green Cert is a level 6, this course is a level 5 cert in agriculture. To avail of the Stamp Duty exemption you need a level 6. My dad had issues with his farm transfer as is was only a level 5. from Warrenstown.

According to the Revenue leaflet on Stamp Duty Exemption:



According to that a level 5 Certificate in Agriculture won't do the job, it has to be a Higher Certificate in Agriculture.

Level 5 1st half of year. Level 6 2nd half.

badgerhowlin

Just got a letter from Teagasc today telling me that the distance education Green Cert is starting in march.
I have to fill in the form and send it back to them before 3rd Feb and pay €500 deposit. and induction is on 20th Feb. where i need to pay the reset of the fee €2000.
And the course runs every Monday and 1 week in kildalton in June. and the course runs for 18 months.

freedominacup

The_Pretender wrote: »

The Green Cert is a level 6, this course is a level 5 cert in agriculture. To avail of the Stamp Duty exemption you need a level 6. My dad had issues with his farm transfer as is was only a level 5. from Warrenstown.

According to the Revenue leaflet on Stamp Duty Exemption:



According to that a level 5 Certificate in Agriculture won't do the job, it has to be a Higher Certificate in Agriculture.

Allowing for the fact that you're old enough to post here and you're speaking about your dad he should have read the act a bit more carefully. None of us oul fellas have level sixes but because level fives were all that were available when we were in college that's all we need. The schedule 2B changes every time the act is renewed which seems to be every four years. They never say what was on the list in the previous act but just read back through the act and it will state the one it is replacing. When I needed tax relief I think I had to go back through four acts/bills. The schedule name/reference number changes with each bill I think.

Basically whatever act was in force when you did the green cert is the one that applies to you. DO NOT EXPECT REVENUE TO GIVE ANY HELP ON THIS. Actively attempting to frustrate you and forcing you into a line by line proof to them that you are entitled to the tax relief is more like it.

The_Pretender

freedominacup wrote: »

Allowing for the fact that you're old enough to post here and you're speaking about your dad he should have read the act a bit more carefully. None of us oul fellas have level sides but because level fives were all that were available when we were in college that's all we need. The schedule 2B changes every time the act is renewed which seems to be every four years. They never say what was on the list in the previous act but just read back through the act and it will state the one it is replacing. When I needed tax relief I think I had to go back through four acts/bills. The schedule name/reference number changes with each bill I think.

Basically whatever act was in force when you did the green cert is the one that applies to you. DO NOT EXPECT REVENUE TO GIVE ANY HELP ON THIS. Actively attempting to frustrate you and forcing you into a line by line price to them that you are entitled to the tax relief.

Sorry, not trying to have a go, just saying he encountered trouble with it initially - you're definitely right in that they don't want to offer help with it.

Thanks for the clarification on it being the act that was in place at the time you did it. For someone like myself looking to start the distance learning green cert in the next year or two though, my reading is that the form I posted is the current list, it states for transfers up to 31 December 2018. Would I be right in saying you'd find it hard to get away with doing the level 5 in agriculture? I'd rather do this course than the usual level 6 in farm admin. I'm working full time with no intention of leaving it for the farm anytime soon, just want to have all my ducks in row for when or if the time comes.

freedominacup

The_Pretender wrote: »

Sorry, not trying to have a go, just saying he encountered trouble with it initially - you're definitely right in that they don't want to offer help with it.

Thanks for the clarification on it being the act that was in place at the time you did it. For someone like myself looking to start the distance learning green cert in the next year or two though, my reading is that the form I posted is the current list, it states for transfers up to 31 December 2018. Would I be right in saying you'd find it hard to get away with doing the level 5 in agriculture? I'd rather do this course than the usual level 6 in farm admin. I'm working full time with no intention of leaving it for the farm anytime soon, just want to have all my ducks in row for when or if the time comes.

You would have to work with the current act. It would seem that level six is your only option. Is ag your only route, as in there used to be recognition for courses outside the purely agri ones for the purposes of claiming transfer reliefs. There's not much point telling a trained accountant with a senior management role in a large private company in their day job for example that they haven't the skills required to run a sixty acre part time drystock farm because they haven't got a green cert.

The_Pretender

Yeah I work in an accounting practice, which is the only thing I'll be milking for the foreseeable

I'll have to look into other routes as my qualification is recognised as a level 9, it would be great to be able to get away without needing the green cert or be able to do a shortened course and not need the full 18 months. I'll give Teagasc a call and see if they can provide any insight.

The_Pretender

freedominacup wrote: »

You would have to work with the current act. It would seem that level six is your only option. Is ag your only route, as in there used to be recognition for courses outside the purely agri ones for the purposes of claiming transfer reliefs. There's not much point telling a trained accountant with a senior management role in a large private company in their day job for example that they haven't the skills required to run a sixty acre part time drystock farm because they haven't got a green cert.

Hi freedominacup, I tried to get back to your PM but your inbox is full. Popular guy

freedominacup

The_Pretender wrote: »

Hi freedominacup, I tried to get back to your PM but your inbox is full. Popular guy

There's a first time for everything. Try it now.

barnaman

Lads recently did the "Green Cert" its a 18 month course pt. First year gives you a level 5 and the next 6 months gives you the level 6. Good few on course and more came in to do the level 6 bit; lads, and girls, who had done a year in Gurteen, Kildalton etc.

Having a degree etc already means you get to skip having to do a year ft at an Ag College and instead do it part time.

Level 6 the one you need. To OP do the level 5 if it suits you and then do the 6 month at a later stage.