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Can you opt out of part L regulations

  • 14-12-2016 9:37pm
    #1
    Shellsbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭


    I'm planning on building a house next year,and was wondering can you opt out of having renewable energy in the house?


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  • #2
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    No. End thread.


  • #3
    Shellsbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭Shellsbell


    Our engineer told us that we can opt out, is this true?


  • #4
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    No, let's give your engineer the benefit of the doubt and assume you misunderstood what was was said.

    You can opt of of the building 'control' regulations

    You must comply with building regulations


  • #5
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Shellsbell wrote: »
    Our engineer told us that we can opt out, is this true?

    Nope, not true.
    He probably means opt out of statutory certification process from the LA.

    But you cannot opt out of the technical requirements of the building regulations.


  • #6
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    as the others have said...

    (taking it to its extreme level)
    You cannot opt out of complying with Building Regulations, but you can opt out of having someone check that it complies with Building regulations.

    However, and a BIG however, if you are paying by a mortgage, your financial institution will insist that you have someone check that it complies with building regulations.


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  • #7
    Shellsbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭Shellsbell


    Will having solar panels for water, a stove for turf and oil satisfy the part L regulations


  • #8
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,888 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Shellsbell wrote: »
    Will having solar panels for water, a stove for turf and oil satisfy the part L regulations

    It depends.
    What is the BER saying?
    Whats the rest of the spec?
    Whats the Energy demand number looking like: heating and HW?

    Without this info, we can't tell

    Its here
    http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad%2C27316%2Cen.pdf

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #9
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Shellsbell wrote: »
    Will having solar panels for water, a stove for turf and oil satisfy the part L regulations

    you simply do not know what will comply with Part L without having a preliminary DEAP assessment done.

    thats the ONLY way to know


  • #10
    bombeena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭bombeena


    Does the preliminary DEAP assessment have to be done by a certified BER assessor or can anyone do it? Is there a template to follow?

    We're opting out and trying to avoid 'expert' fees where possible.


  • #11
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    bombeena wrote: »
    Does the preliminary DEAP assessment have to be done by a certified BER assessor or can anyone do it? Is there a template to follow?

    We're opting out and trying to avoid 'expert' fees where possible.

    an "expert" is someone who knows what they are doing.....

    so if your looking for someone who doesnt know what they are doing then off you go...

    heres the 20 page introductory guidance document
    https://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/Introduction_to_DEAP_for_Professionals.pdf

    heres the 140 page manual you have to follow
    http://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/DEAP_Manual.pdf

    the 20 page heat pump guidance
    https://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/Heat_Pump_Guidance_2016.pdf

    the 246 pages of technical bulletins
    https://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/Domestic-Technical-Bulletins.pdf


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  • #12
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    bombeena wrote: »
    Does the preliminary DEAP assessment have to be done by a certified BER assessor or can anyone do it? Is there a template to follow?

    We're opting out and trying to avoid 'expert' fees where possible.

    Done by the same person that will inspect and issue the final BER certificate.
    They have to be qualified and registered.


  • #13
    dusteeroads
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭dusteeroads


    Shellsbell wrote: »
    I'm planning on building a house next year,and was wondering can you opt out of having renewable energy in the house?

    no


  • #14
    dathi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭dathi


    Shellsbell wrote: »
    a stove for turf satisfy the part L regulations

    turf is not a renewable fuel


  • #15
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    dathi wrote: »
    turf is not a renewable fuel

    i dont think thats what they were saying.....

    you shouldnt selectively quote part of a post and disagree with it, when the rest of the post is pertinent


  • #16
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    dathi wrote: »
    turf is not a renewable fuel

    What if he said 'sticks', timber in his stove?


  • #17
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    What if he said 'sticks', timber in his stove?

    it can only be considered renewable if its a "dedicated" wood stove


  • #18
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    it can only be considered renewable if its a "dedicated" wood stove

    Over regulation.


  • #19
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Over regulation.

    under enforcement ;)


  • #20
    Carrickbeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Carrickbeg


    Dont be afraid of Part L. I started building last October and I am sorry I didnt go with more renewables. You think they are dearer but in my opinion they are not. They will really future proof your home. Im far from a tree hugger but if I was to start again id be going as close to passive as I could get.
    It was lack of education on my part.
    The dear thing is the cheap thing in the long run.


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