Transferring JB to another country - Form U2/E303

devnull

If I was transferring JB to the UK I need to get the above form.

Can anyone confirm to me if I get this form from the SW Office or they send it out to me.

Reason being if it's the later I need to work this into my calculations of when to move.

eastbono

You need to call to your sw office in order to transfer you jb to another eu country.

devnull

eastbono wrote: »

You need to call to your sw office in order to transfer you jb to another eu country.

I know I need to call in.

What I want to know is when you call in, do you get the form there and then or do they post it to you?

eastbono

You need to get the form there and then as you will need to take it to the UK with you to present at the jobcentre in the UK.

Balagan

Jobseeker's Benefit (JB) may be transferred to another EEA member state for up to 13 weeks (78 days), if you are looking for work there. You must be getting Jobseeker's Benefit for 4 weeks before you can transfer it to another EEA member state (this requirement can be waived in some instances). From 1 May 2010 new EU Regulations came into effect (pdf) which mean that if you apply to transfer your Jobseeker's Benefit, it will be paid directly to you. If an Increase for a Qualified Adult (IQA) or Increases for Qualified Children (IQC) are being paid you continue to be paid these in the normal way (whether your dependents travel abroad with you or not).

You are still required to register with the employment services of the country where you have gone to look for work within a week. If you are leaving Ireland to move to Northern Ireland or Britain your Intreo centre or social welfare local office will issue you with the Form U2 (formerly Form E303) which you take to the UK social services. If you are moving to another EU country the Department of Social Protection will send the U2 form to your new address in that EU country. You may transfer your JB payment more than once while you are unemployed provided you do not exceed the maximum period of 13 weeks.

If you are claiming JB you can claim increases for your qualified adult and children who are living in another EEA member state. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/claiming_a_social_welfare_payment/going_abroad_and_social_welfare_payments.html

devnull

Does the JSB in Ireland stop as soon as I get the form, or as soon as I hand it in to the UK or on a date I nominate?

Reason being if it stops as soon as I get the form and I get paid on a Wednesday, surely I'm best to collect the form on a Thursday?

devnull

I got the form after calling into the office in Dublin and it was no hassle at all and was turned around within 30 minutes, I though that would be the hard bit but it was pleasantly easy.

The day after I arrived in the UK I visited the UK Job Centre and was told that they could not see me then and to come back the next day at a time which was not very easy for me due to my location, but they were not keen on changing it. That was the first sign of awkwardness.

I then had a meeting the following day and all my paperwork was took from me and I was made to agree to all UK regulations and I was assured that the form would be processed and my details would be faxed to the Newcastle Office who would then issue form U009 to enable JSB to be paid to me the following week.

I was told that I would need to show that I am looking for work and would otherwise be treated similar to a standard UK claimer of the benefit. I was then placed on a comical course for the long term unemployed (despite the fact I have only been out for a short time) where I was the only one with qualifications or a work history about basic skills such as numeracy and suchlike which was like being back at infants school. The course cost me £40 in travel expenses.

Meanwhile another two weeks later, it has become clear that the UK office still has not completed my paperwork or even sent the fax to Newcastle. Effectively I am now owed almost €600 in benefit payment, whilst the UK authorities send me around to pointless courses and require me to do many different things, such as spend 35 hours a week looking for jobs, whilst they refuse to spend 5 minutes sending my paperwork.

They can give me no idea of when the paperwork will be continued and refuse to answer any directr questions about it, ignore emails and are completely refusing to engage with the Irish Social Welfare Office, whilst at the same time threatening that if I do not do exactly as they say and adhere to 35 hours job search a week and attend any courses, they will sanction me and tell the Irish Government I did not comply with their rules without delay.

The other issue is that now the Social Welfare service in Dublin has the right to close my claim, since I am supposed to register with the UK within 7 days of leaving Ireland or my claim may be closed. I have done that, however the Social Welfare department have no proof of it because the UK authorities refuse to speak or communicate with them in any way at all!

Does anyone have any experience of this or what I can do to force their hand?

infogiver

I'd heard it was tricky going both ways but the system seems way harsher over there as you describe it
It's no wonder the unemployment rate here is nearly double that of the UK

devnull

The problem is that from my experience over the past few weeks there is effectively double standards going on when it comes to what is and isn't reasonable for either party when it comes to the import of benefits into the UK.

For example they have messed me around with dates and times changing appointments at short notice, but if I want something changed, they will tell me that unless 24 hours notice is given they cannot entertain that because it's unreasonable, whilst at the same time doing it themselves on a regular basis.

If you try to get them to do anything for you in line with their own guidelines, they claim the guidelines don't apply as you are not on their benefits, however if they want you to do something for them, they say you have to do it and threaten you with sanctions under their own guidelines, which is very much a case of double standards.

They also don't like taking ownership of problems. Early in this week I asked my contact what the status was and was told they had done everything correct their side and it has now gone to another office. I asked if they could chase up what was going on and was effectively told it was nothing to do with them anymore. I then asked could they could tell me who I could contact and they told me they can't give that information.

The most amusing thing is when you step into one of their offices they have a bunch of "Customer Promises" (they actually call jobseekers customers here) pretty much every one of them has been broken in some form or other over the past few weeks with me. No doubt they will claim I don't count as I'm not claiming their benefits, but should I do the tiniest thing wrong, they wouldn't hesitate to use the same rule book they say doesn't apply.