Emirates diversion

adam88

Hi All, last Saturday 3rd while on the late night dub to Dubai flight we got diverted to Bahrain due to fog in Dubai. We were stuck on the tarmac for over 4 hours waiting for the fog to clear and then waiting for a slot to become free to be able to take off to Dubai.

My question is, would this delay have caused the pilots and cabin crew to go over their hours or would that flight have been a dual crew flight anyway.

Secondly, seeing as emirates would have had hundred of delays that day, how long before they would have got things back on track??

Jamie2k9

adam88 wrote: »

Hi All, last Saturday 3rd while on the late night dub to Dubai flight we got diverted to Bahrain due to fog in Dubai. We were stuck on the tarmac for over 4 hours waiting for the fog to clear and then waiting for a slot to become free to be able to take off to Dubai.

My question is, would this delay have caused the pilots and cabin crew to go over their hours or would that flight have been a dual crew flight anyway.

Secondly, seeing as emirates would have had hundred of delays that day, how long before they would have got things back on track??

They wouldn't of flown if out of hours.

It could take an airline like EK days to get back on track and get displaced passengers to destinations. Chances are they cancelled some flights to get schedules recovered faster.

adam88

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They wouldn't of flown if out of hours.

It could take an airline like EK days to get back on track and get displaced passengers to destinations. Chances are they cancelled some flights to get schedules recovered faster.

Flight was 9 hours already, plus further 4/5 hours delay, surely a double crew flight so??

Jamie2k9

adam88 wrote: »

Flight was 9 hours already, plus further 4/5 hours delay, surely a double crew flight so??

It would be close to limits, not sure of exact regulations but crew with no rest in Europe can do 13 hours in the air and think it can be extended by an hour or two in certain cases.

If you have rest time then it's 19-20 hours.

EK crew fly more hours than your typical crew based in Europe and US per month so limit may be higher.

I'm sure someone more qualified can give more details.

EK control room would of give your slot priority instead of having to cancel the flight.

Van.Bosch

adam88 wrote: »

Flight was 9 hours already, plus further 4/5 hours delay, surely a double crew flight so??

Is it possible a different crew flew Bahrain to Dubai? Perhaps they were flown in?

martinsvi

Flight duty period begins when flight crew reports for duty at the airport and ends when passengers have left the aircraft, engines have been shut down and crew gone home. This period is limited from 11 to 13 hours (for 1-2 sector days) depending on duty start time (later start means shorter FDP). Dublin to Dubai is served by single crew as far as I remember, however the typical journey is just 7:30h.

That means - depending on the exact circumstances - that flight could have been perfectly legal even after sitting 4 hours on the ground in Bahrain. It really depends on whether there was any holding etc.. are you sure you have the date correct? Flight aware/plane finder don't show any delays/diversions for that date/flight

eatmyshorts

adam88 wrote: »

Hi All, last Saturday 3rd while on the late night dub to Dubai flight we got diverted to Bahrain due to fog in Dubai. We were stuck on the tarmac for over 4 hours waiting for the fog to clear and then waiting for a slot to become free to be able to take off to Dubai.

My question is, would this delay have caused the pilots and cabin crew to go over their hours or would that flight have been a dual crew flight anyway.

Secondly, seeing as emirates would have had hundred of delays that day, how long before they would have got things back on track??

EK164 DUB - DXB on Friday the 2nd (landing DXB on Saturday 3rd) diverted to Al Ain (not Bahrain).

I'm assuming that's the flight you were on?

adam88

martinsvi wrote: »

Flight duty period begins when flight crew reports for duty at the airport and ends when passengers have left the aircraft, engines have been shut down and crew gone home. This period is limited from 11 to 13 hours (for 1-2 sector days) depending on duty start time (later start means shorter FDP). Dublin to Dubai is served by single crew as far as I remember, however the typical journey is just 7:30h.

That means - depending on the exact circumstances - that flight could have been perfectly legal even after sitting 4 hours on the ground in Bahrain. It really depends on whether there was any holding etc.. are you sure you have the date correct? Flight aware/plane finder don't show any delays/diversions for that date/flight

Yip Friday evenings flight, 2nd December

adam88

http://www.theeksource.com/emirates-b777-300er-a6-ebj-ek164-al-ain-diversion/

That's the link to the diversion there

martinsvi

most likely crew was changed at some point, Al Ain is driving distance away from Dubai

smurfjed

crew gone home

I wish that it was, unfortunately for us it ends 30 minutes after setting the parking brake, so most likely we are still in the airport.

eatmyshorts

martinsvi wrote: »

most likely crew was changed at some point, Al Ain is driving distance away from Dubai

The same crew operated DUB-AAN-DXB.

martinsvi

eatmyshorts wrote: »

The same crew operated DUB-AAN-DXB.

so.. report at duty 19:30UTC ish, land at AAN around 03:45UTC ish, finish the day at around 8:30UTC ish in DXB.. 13h duty, probably just within limits. Long day anyway..

frogone

For the purposes of FDP it's the on blocks time that is used to calculate the end of the FDP. The 30 mins (or whatever your airline might specify) after on blocks doesn't count towards FDP.

smurfjed

The 30 mins (or whatever your airline might specify) after on blocks doesn't count towards FDP.

Actually in our case it does! As does the 2 hours prior to departure.

frogone

In our case the 90 mins before does, but not the time after on blocks. What FTL are you working off out of interest?

smurfjed

FAA equivalent