Security on the Dart

Montiii

So, this mornings (7.20 am) dart journey from Shankill to town, I had the pleasure of sharing the last carriage with 6 lads who were clearly off their nuts.
If you ask yourself how I know they were off their nuts, it's because they openly discussed smoking crack before getting on the dart.  They took a 4 seater each and made it as uncomfortable as possible for other passengers to sit down. They openly discussed the price of a bag of crack (€15 in case you are wondering) they then had a detailed discussion how someone stole some hash from them and then the highlight of the trip was when 2 of the group went to the space in between the carriages and had a smoke. One of the group was also discussing if should put his head through the glass as his crack was wearing off and he needed a joint!!!!! While there was no specific incidents there were several occasions where people moved carriage to avoid something kicking off
While I appreciate most anti social behaviour is in the evenings / night time surely every dart should have a security team no matter what time to ensure the safety of all passengers

Del.Monte

Did you report the incident to CIE staff?

Montiii

Yeah, tweet within 5 mins of getting on the dart - no reply and again at Connolly when both myself and the gentlemen got off.

Said they would look into it!!!!

Edit to add, no chance was I calling anyone while they were within earshot

punisher5112

Write a letter or email and also if you feel it is necessary contact gardai especially at the time if possible.

This sort of behaviour should not be tolerated and I would have no problems making this aware to them las I do in my job also.

Grahamer666

More than likely trying to put on the hard men act. Most people like this are full of hot air.
Quiet as mice when on their own.

roundymac

Grahamer666 wrote: »

More than likely trying to put on the hard men act. Most people like this are full of hot air.
Quiet as mice when on their own.

You would'nt want to find out the hard way that you got that wrong.:pac:

Grahamer666

And that's exactly what these people thrive on. Stand up to them.

Hilly Bill

Why put yourself in unnecessary risk?

Del2005

Montiii wrote: »

So, this mornings (7.20 am) dart journey from Shankill to town, I had the pleasure of sharing the last carriage with 6 lads who were clearly off their nuts.
If you ask yourself how I know they were off their nuts, it's because they openly discussed smoking crack before getting on the dart.  They took a 4 seater each and made it as uncomfortable as possible for other passengers to sit down. They openly discussed the price of a bag of crack (€15 in case you are wondering) they then had a detailed discussion how someone stole some hash from them and then the highlight of the trip was when 2 of the group went to the space in between the carriages and had a smoke. One of the group was also discussing if should put his head through the glass as his crack was wearing off and he needed a joint!!!!! While there was no specific incidents there were several occasions where people moved carriage to avoid something kicking off
While I appreciate most anti social behaviour is in the evenings / night time surely every dart should have a security team no matter what time to ensure the safety of all passengers

So 1 journey had a few antisocial people on board and you want security on every train! How many security personnel do you want on each train, because for safety they have to be able to out number the people that they are dealing with, so for them 4 lads you'd need at least 8 security and since there's more than one carriage you'll need the same in each carriage. Then we'll need them on the buses as I've often smelt smoking on buses, so another 8 security on each bus. Pretty soon public transport will be so full of security that passengers won't be able to get on.

L1011

A patrolling transport police would be enough to satisfy most. Given proper legal powers.

Del.Monte

Yes, a roving transport police would be welcome.

On a slightly different point, is there a reason that many of those employed by the present private security company look like they sleep under the arches in their uniforms? Even though they are dealing with the detritus of society there's no reason why they have to look like a larger version of same. I'm not doubting their ability to do the job but their appearance is quite off-putting to this member of the public.

sporty56

About four years ago I emailed IR suggesting that a text number be displayed on trains to report antisocial behaviour discretely. I got two phone calls from gents in Connolly saying it was an excellent idea and they expected relevant decision makers to have it implemented quickly. No signs yet !!!!

roundymac

Del.Monte wrote: »

Yes, a roving transport police would be welcome.

On a slightly different point, is there a reason that many of those employed by the present private security company look like they sleep under the arches in their uniforms? Even though they are dealing with the detritus of society there's no reason why they have to look like a larger version of same. I'm not doubting their ability to do the job but their appearance is quite off-putting to this member of the public.

Keeping theirs heads down and who could blame them. Inlaw they even though they are security they cannot legally touch a person; otherwise they could be done for assault.

Sam Russell

roundymac wrote: »

Keeping theirs heads down and who could blame them. Inlaw they even though they are security they cannot legally touch a person; otherwise they could be done for assault.

Unless they are Gardai.

whisky_galore

This is why I avoid Dublin like the plague, unless absolutely necessary.

yew_tree

It is a wider problem in this country as society is light on law and order in general. I was on a train at Penn Station in NYC recently getting ready to head back to Newark Airport. A junkie came on board shouting and being a general menace. Within minutes two port authority cops landed, asked him to step of the train to which he got thick, then they just grabbed him and pulled him off the train, a no nonsense approach.

I couldn't see that happening here.

Rashers72

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fight-on-board-train-grinds-busy-commuter-route-to-a-halt-35297953.html

Jamie2k9

Rashers72 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fight-on-board-train-grinds-busy-commuter-route-to-a-halt-35297953.html

17.05 to Sligo also had problems, reported passengers caught hold of him and kept him until they arrived!

4 in one day must be a record!

Jem72

The Sligo line incident was some colourful local giving racist abuse. Unfortunately for him he had the bad luck to pick a carriage where two off-duty gardai were travelling.

This was resolved no thanks to Irish Rail since this was in the back half of the train where no staff member had access during the journey. Well done to the guards involved - they handled it with such professionalism that they got a round of applause after the individual was removed from the train.

"The spokesperson such incidents are highly unusual for Iarnród Eireann, particularly for one day, and were entirely unrelated." (SIC)
Indeed